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**gtexan02** · 10-30-2006

Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo

TexansSeminole · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo

Hopefully somehow Kubiak can make Carr a consistant player. I think that if there is a coach who could do it, it would be Kubiak.

thunderkyss · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo

Now I want David to start against NYG..... I think it is the right thing to do.

But both he & Carr completed 70% of their passes yesterday, except Sage got 3 TDs and 80 more yards than David Got.

MissouriTexan · 10-30-2006

Hasn't Carr only had one meltdown this season? IMHO, he's made significant strides this season, although unfortunately, the time the defense and running game were finally on track was the time he performed very poorly.

Bubbajwp · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by MissouriTexan

Hasn't Carr only had one meltdown this season? IMHO, he's made significant strides this season, although unfortunately, the time the defense and running game were finally on track was the time he performed very poorly.

This is the one game all season we should have dominated and we came out with a loss.

**Double Barrel** · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by gtexan02

Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo

70% is awesome. There are not many QBs that can keep that pace for an entire season, and it is definitely worth mentioning.

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Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Hopefully somehow Kubiak can make Carr a consistant player. I think that if there is a coach who could do it, it would be Kubiak.

Consistency is the key. I thought he was going to come out kickin' A for this game. Our team played well enough if he'd just been mediocre. But man, I certainly did not anticipate Carr looking that bad. It was of his worst performances that I can remember in recent history.

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Now I want David to start against NYG..... I think it is the right thing to do.

I agree. It's the right decision, because Kubiak needs to know how Carr will respond to this situation. It's the first time in his career that he's experienced this kind of setback, so the Giants game will be a big test for him. And to make it even tougher, it's against a good team on the road.

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Originally Posted by MissouriTexan

Hasn't Carr only had one meltdown this season? IMHO, he's made significant strides this season, although unfortunately, the time the defense and running game were finally on track was the time he performed very poorly.

He looked pretty bad in the 2nd half against the Cowboys. But he rebounded with a great day against the Jags. It's almost a Jeckle and Hyde thing right now.

Titan "Tack" Fan · 10-30-2006

OK im sorry to break it to you but all I saw from Carr on Sunday was a bunch of screens, 3 yard dump offs to the TE, and flat passes to the backs.

No wonder his completion percentage is so high..........

Tayton · 10-30-2006

87 Yards, We Know We Lost. Now Go Home.

tsip · 10-30-2006

Carr is and almost always has been a 'dink and dunk' passer in the NFL, with a very weak vertical passing game...rarely uses the middle of the field, which reduces the risk of incompletions...and greatly inflates his high percentage rate...

IshouldbeGM · 10-30-2006

I'd hit 70% accuracy too if i were throwing 4 yrd passes to the running back every other attempt!

**Hookem Horns** · 10-30-2006

Exactly, you cannot compare Carr to other NFL QB's that throw the ball down the field. 2 and 3 yard passes are almost always completed and rarely intercepted. His stats are misleading. I judge him by what I see on Sundays not what the stats say afterwards.

**mexican_texan** · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by Titan "Tack" Fan

OK im sorry to break it to you but all I saw from Carr on Sunday was a bunch of screens, 3 yard dump offs to the TE, and flat passes to the backs.

No wonder his completion percentage is so high..........

You do know we run the West/Gulf Coast offense right?

He's been doing this his whole career. He's just doing it better.

Hulk75 · 10-30-2006

Let me say this about this whole thing, the can of warms that Kubiak opened on sunday I think hurt the relationship between him and Carr a little. The trust factor had been broken that day by Kubiak.

David Carr has done a good job with a team that went 2-14 last year, did he have a great 1st half NO but NIETHER did the Offensive line (pass wise) He did not hold on to the ball very long, as soon as he hit his back foot they were on top of him, what should he do?

The pick is in excusable, he should not have thrown that ball, BUT! Is he the only QB that through a pick yesterday?( and that pick was in their area and they got no points off it, I am not excusing it, I am just saying) I believe the Super Bowl champion Ben Rothlisberger throw 4 ints 1 in the red zone that went for 100 yards, I saw a lot more guys on Sunday that should have saw the bench before Carr.

To come here to Houston and say to everyone (Kubiak) I am going to be here through the rough times and through the good times, and then to bench him on only 2 plays were he was vonerable for a Fumble is STUPID! and WRONG! If your going to bench a guy for playing bad VERY bad, for over a span of a couple games then yea I understand that, BUT for Gary to sit David Carr down because of 2 plays were he was hammered AGAIN is wrong.

For all the stuff he takes in this town for the last 5 years and to bench him on that day were he is playing against the Titans, against the guy most everyone wanted and to NOT LET HIM BATTLE BACK just blows my flippin mind.

Perfection is not going to happen in 6 games Kubes, he has done pretty dang well with the time he has had in THIS SYSTEM. I believe that Kubiak had a brain fart, made a split second decsion and TRUTHFULLY I "GARUNTEE" he apologized to Carr after the game. Just the fact that he did not let David battle back blows me away!

And the play before the half!!!!!!!!! Dangit, you know Coach they have not protected Carr all game the way they should, SO WHY in the Blue Blazes try to throw the football with the preasure they were putting on him! They rushed 4 against our 5 and played cover 4. He put the team and Carr in a very tough possition.

Say what you want, call me whatever but Gary was wrong not to let Carr finish that game.

Anyways thats what I "think"

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10-30-2006

Face it no one wants to give any of the players we have credit. EX: We beat the Jags! What do we hear... Their best players are hurt. So That same team just beat Philly ...didn't hear anything about injuries affecting the eagles. I think it's hilarious. DC is the most accurate QB in the NFL this year. And by the way we aren't the only offense running these type plays.

run-david-run · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

70% is awesome. There are not many QBs that can keep that pace for an entire season, and it is definitely worth mentioning.

Consistency is the key. I thought he was going to come out kickin' A for this game. Our team played well enough if he'd just been mediocre. But man, I certainly did not anticipate Carr looking that bad. It was of his worst performances that I can remember in recent history.

I agree. It's the right decision, because Kubiak needs to know how Carr will respond to this situation. It's the first time in his career that he's experienced this kind of setback, so the Giants game will be a big test for him. And to make it even tougher, it's against a good team on the road.

He looked pretty bad in the 2nd half against the Cowboys. But he rebounded with a great day against the Jags. It's almost a Jeckle and Hyde thing right now.

Did I miss something? The man complete 15 of 21 passes with one pick. Yes he fumbled at very bad times, but its not like he went out and started 3 of 14 like Leinart and was throwing picks left and right. It was a series of mistakes that held us back in the first half, not Carr. Until the fumble before halftime (which I blame on the coaches for the way they handled the 2 minute drill), Carr wasnt playing well, but he certanly wasnt costing us the game. To start the 3rd quarter, he leads a good drive down to the 15 or so and then gets sacked from the blindside at the top of his drop, its not like he had time to escape the rush, and messes up by losing the ball. Did he play well? No. Did his performance cost us the game? I dont think so. Others will dissagree, but I think this one is on the whole team, not just Carr.

Nza · 10-30-2006

Completion % != accuracy

**beerlover** · 10-31-2006

maybe thats the problem too many people focus on measureables like accuracy instead of winning and playing heads up football. VY sure did not light it up but he did not cost his team the game either. And how long is Kubiak supposed to stay with Carr when nothings working and turning over the pigskin like sausage on a hot grill

watch 3rd year Charger QB Philip Rivers no big stat sheet but consistant, doesn't turn the the ball over and when his leadership is needed he has shown the ability to make plays that move the chains and score once in the Red Zone

HJam72 · 10-31-2006

I've always defended Carr for the most part, I think the O-line can take some of that blame, and I still think Carr would be REALLY good if he had like immaculate protection, BUT he's got to stop fumbling the ball such a large percentage of the time when he is sacked. I really doubt that it is a question of toughness. I think the issue here is one of hearing or feeling it coming. He gets nailed too much without having any idea that he's about to get hit.

He may have had periods where he imagined that he was about to get hit, but then when he really is he doesn't have any idea. Or, maybe he just needs to keep a firmer 2 handed grip on the ball when he's not throwing it.

WiiBrawler · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by Titan "Tack" Fan

OK im sorry to break it to you but all I saw from Carr on Sunday was a bunch of screens, 3 yard dump offs to the TE, and flat passes to the backs.

No wonder his completion percentage is so high..........

He is playing it safe, for the sake of his qb rating

aj. · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by Hulk75

Let me say this about this whole thing, the can of warms that Kubiak opened on sunday I think hurt the relationship between him and Carr a little. The trust factor had been broken that day by Kubiak.

...........to NOT LET HIM BATTLE BACK just blows my flippin mind.

I think DC broke a trust with his head coach by not protecting the ball. We hear it all the time on the radio here. I'm sure DC has heard it a million times. Kubiak won't tolerate it. Also, on the Hope INT, I heard Kubiak say last night that the Texans scout team gave DC the same look in practice and DC made the right read. So why does he do the right thing on Wednesday but can't do it on Sunday? (Kubiak's rhetorical question that I'm just repeating).

Kubiak gave DC a chance to battle back by letting him start the second half. He fumbled the ball away on the first drive. I think he had seen enough at that point. I know I did.

And no, it's not all his fault, but a lot of it is.

Hopefully DC gets over his hurt feelings quickly. We need someone to play QB.

10-30-2006	#1
gtexan02 Working? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Age: 29 Posts: 15,334 Rep Power: 34917	One thing DC has ---- accuracy Just thought it was interesting that he's still leading the league in completion percentage. 70% is pretty dang good. I think he has the ability, he just needs the mentality. And that can be coached. Thats why kubiak is sticking with him imo __________________ Adios until next season. See you then

10-30-2006	#4
MissouriTexan Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 138 Rep Power: 9	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Hasn't Carr only had one meltdown this season? IMHO, he's made significant strides this season, although unfortunately, the time the defense and running game were finally on track was the time he performed very poorly.

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Titan "Tack" Fan Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ca$hville Posts: 1,514 Rep Power: 42	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy OK im sorry to break it to you but all I saw from Carr on Sunday was a bunch of screens, 3 yard dump offs to the TE, and flat passes to the backs. No wonder his completion percentage is so high.......... __________________ ADVENTURE, EXCITEMENT, A JEDI CRAVES NOT THESE THINGS

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Tayton Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 148 Rep Power: 9	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy 87 Yards, We Know We Lost. Now Go Home.

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tsip Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,277 Rep Power: 12	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Carr is and almost always has been a 'dink and dunk' passer in the NFL, with a very weak vertical passing game...rarely uses the middle of the field, which reduces the risk of incompletions...and greatly inflates his high percentage rate...

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IshouldbeGM Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 79 Rep Power: 0	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy I'd hit 70% accuracy too if i were throwing 4 yrd passes to the running back every other attempt!

10-30-2006	#11
Hookem Horns Lets Go Rangers Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,813 Rep Power: 31176	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Exactly, you cannot compare Carr to other NFL QB's that throw the ball down the field. 2 and 3 yard passes are almost always completed and rarely intercepted. His stats are misleading. I judge him by what I see on Sundays not what the stats say afterwards.

10-30-2006	#13
Hulk75 Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Santa Cruz,California Age: 32 Posts: 1,380 Rep Power: 410	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Let me say this about this whole thing, the can of warms that Kubiak opened on sunday I think hurt the relationship between him and Carr a little. The trust factor had been broken that day by Kubiak. David Carr has done a good job with a team that went 2-14 last year, did he have a great 1st half NO but NIETHER did the Offensive line (pass wise) He did not hold on to the ball very long, as soon as he hit his back foot they were on top of him, what should he do? The pick is in excusable, he should not have thrown that ball, BUT! Is he the only QB that through a pick yesterday?( and that pick was in their area and they got no points off it, I am not excusing it, I am just saying) I believe the Super Bowl champion Ben Rothlisberger throw 4 ints 1 in the red zone that went for 100 yards, I saw a lot more guys on Sunday that should have saw the bench before Carr. To come here to Houston and say to everyone (Kubiak) I am going to be here through the rough times and through the good times, and then to bench him on only 2 plays were he was vonerable for a Fumble is STUPID! and WRONG! If your going to bench a guy for playing bad VERY bad, for over a span of a couple games then yea I understand that, BUT for Gary to sit David Carr down because of 2 plays were he was hammered AGAIN is wrong. For all the stuff he takes in this town for the last 5 years and to bench him on that day were he is playing against the Titans, against the guy most everyone wanted and to NOT LET HIM BATTLE BACK just blows my flippin mind. Perfection is not going to happen in 6 games Kubes, he has done pretty dang well with the time he has had in THIS SYSTEM. I believe that Kubiak had a brain fart, made a split second decsion and TRUTHFULLY I "GARUNTEE" he apologized to Carr after the game. Just the fact that he did not let David battle back blows me away! And the play before the half!!!!!!!!! Dangit, you know Coach they have not protected Carr all game the way they should, SO WHY in the Blue Blazes try to throw the football with the preasure they were putting on him! They rushed 4 against our 5 and played cover 4. He put the team and Carr in a very tough possition. Say what you want, call me whatever but Gary was wrong not to let Carr finish that game. Anyways thats what I "think" happened

10-30-2006	#14
whiskeyrbl Guest Posts: n/a	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Face it no one wants to give any of the players we have credit. EX: We beat the Jags! What do we hear... Their best players are hurt. So That same team just beat Philly ...didn't hear anything about injuries affecting the eagles. I think it's hilarious. DC is the most accurate QB in the NFL this year. And by the way we aren't the only offense running these type plays.

10-30-2006	#16
Nza Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 0	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy Completion % != accuracy

10-31-2006	#17
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,357 Rep Power: 15075	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy maybe thats the problem too many people focus on measureables like accuracy instead of winning and playing heads up football. VY sure did not light it up but he did not cost his team the game either. And how long is Kubiak supposed to stay with Carr when nothings working and turning over the pigskin like sausage on a hot grill watch 3rd year Charger QB Philip Rivers no big stat sheet but consistant, doesn't turn the the ball over and when his leadership is needed he has shown the ability to make plays that move the chains and score once in the Red Zone __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,471 Rep Power: 18004	Re: One thing DC has ---- accuracy I've always defended Carr for the most part, I think the O-line can take some of that blame, and I still think Carr would be REALLY good if he had like immaculate protection, *BUT* he's got to stop fumbling the ball such a large percentage of the time when he is sacked. I really doubt that it is a question of toughness. I think the issue here is one of hearing or feeling it coming. He gets nailed too much without having any idea that he's about to get hit. He may have had periods where he imagined that he was about to get hit, but then when he really is he doesn't have any idea. Or, maybe he just needs to keep a firmer 2 handed grip on the ball when he's not throwing it. __________________

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