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Old 10-28-2006   #1
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Don't know if this has been posted yet.

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With is improvement this year he is slowly starting to look like a good pick in the 2002 draft. Here is a really nice article breaking down how poor that draft class was...

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The team that arguably did the best in the NFL's roughest draft in recent memory? That would be Tampa Bay, which didn't have a pick until the third round. The Bucs that February had sent their 2002 first- and second-round selections to Oakland -- along with two more future picks and $8 million -- in compensation for the hiring of head coach Jon Gruden away from the Raiders.
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1 thing that has changed the most:

1) The ball is being released very quickly... he use to have lots of wasted motion that got him sacked in years prior. If you look at him now, he sets his foot faster
You are very right about the ball being released quickly. I describe it as the ball is getting out on time.

One of the things I did criticize him for was that he'd put pressure on the OL, making them hold their blocks for 4 or 5 seconds.

It is true that many of his sacks, especially last season, were under 2, and sometimes under 1 second. While that would normally look like an OL problem, they generally followed a sack that came about more conventionally.

I'm not trying to make excuses for our OL, they performed very badly last season.

But David getting the ball out on time, I think is a big reason teams aren't showing us the pressure, and flat out disrespect they showed us last year.
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One of the things I did criticize him for was that he'd put pressure on the OL, making them hold their blocks for 4 or 5 seconds.
I think his problem was more along the lines of not giving your blockers a fighting chance (I've termed this a lack of instinct in the past). Since you can't look behind you it is hard to block for someone who you have no clue where he is. Carr used to run right into blocks or take very poor angles out and around the pocket. For instance if you are blocking a man to the right and Carr flushes right...you got no chance. It is very hard to keep your body between the defender and your QB if you don't know where he is going to be. Carr used to put his linemen in bad positions over and over. His pocket awareness and him reading the body language of his blockers has improved quite a bit under Kubiak.
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Don't know if this has been posted yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=2640592
Thanks for sharing this. I think he missed the word "Some" when he started that second sentence of his second paragraph.

Everything Carr has done this year is a result of quality coaching. Kudos to David Carr for the way he has handled this Young talk.

The future is very bright.
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Weakest WR Combo before

Jabbar "I aint looking for the football" Gaffney
Corey "Carr throws the ball too hard" Bradford
Andre "I am injured/Stone Hands" Johnson
Are you taking a shot at Andre now? No problem with the other two, but.......dang! the man has reestablished himself as one of the top receivers in the league. He got some legitimate complement receivers!
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"Carr's The Right Choice"

I coulda told you that!
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Weakest WR Combo before

Jabbar "I aint looking for the football" Gaffney
Corey "Carr throws the ball too hard" Bradford
Andre "I am injured/Stone Hands" Johnson
That's a different argument altogether, and unless you want us to bring up all the things Carr did wrong, I think it would be best to just drop this argument all together.

Carr is doing better this year, taking advantage of the same things he could have taken advantage of last year, and the year before, and the year before that.

Major props to Kubiak, and David.
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Hey that was last year. Dre Dropped balls..... he did and I aint lying. Some of them were placed on his chest that would have extended drives. That was last year.

Cant argue with the number 1 reciever in the NFL this year.
Yeah, I'll meet you there. He did. I was not using my past tense goggles.

Last year, we could probably go over every player on the field in every game and see things that should have happened where they didn't step up. (Marcus Coleman, anyone?) Every one of them own 2-14.

How many of those guys are no longer in football? Coaches on down?
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1 thing that has changed the most:

1) The ball is being released very quickly... he use to have lots of wasted motion that got him sacked in years prior. If you look at him now, he sets his foot faster
There is always some were to go with the ball.
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Makes me chuckle a little when I see articles like this, and from what I have read from people around here.

The Band Wagon is about to take off, so you better get on now before it is too late.
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Makes me chuckle a little when I see articles like this, and from what I have read from people around here.

The Band Wagon is about to take off, so you better get on now before it is too late.
No kidding, with ESPN at the head of it all. LOL And they act surprised.....
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Default Re: ESPN: Carr's The Right Choice

thanks for the thread Doug.


Just for the record being a Carr backer has been an ordeal on these boards. You guys still wan't to throw him out, fine. I think this year has proven give Carr some stable tallent around him and he can be productive enough to take us where we all want to go. I'm sorry it isn't Vincent. I really am. Vincent beat the vaulted best college team of all time. Dosen't that make Vincent the best college player of his generation ? I am a horn fan. I will enjoy watching Vincent mature into a great NFL QB. But I think long term the francise did the best thing. A man wiser than I once wrote you can never go home again. I believe that's true in spades.
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Carr has had one bad game this year, Dallas. The other games he has looked good to very good at times, but I still want to badly see greatness. I don't see greatness in Carr ala a Staubach, Manning, Brady, Elway, Montana, etc. Maybe with continued improvement and more weapons and a better line, maybe we do have our equivilent to a Troy Aikman though. Troy took some time to come into his own as well. It wasn't until he had a great RB in Emmitt, and a terrific combo of receivers and TE's, led by Michael Irvin that he really began to shine. If he becomes something close to Aikman, we can win and win big with Carr, evidenced by Dallas' success at the time. Although he is 4th best in QB rating, I would probably put him somewhere around 10-12th best in the league right now. And folks, that represents a drastic improvement, as last year, I would have said 30th-32nd. Here's hoping he continues to improve, and doesn't have one of those ghoulish second halves like he did in 2004.
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Kubiak has done wonders for Carr's improvement. I can only wonder where DC would be right now if he'd been under Kubiak's wing from the beginning.

The thing that has impressed me most this season is the idea of never quitting, no matter what the score is at the moment. Going into the 4th qtr. at Indy, down 30-3, Kubiak told Carr to take charge and show the team that he's never going to give up. A lot of folks see 'garbage time' with DC's three TDs that qtr., but I see the beginning of something great between our HC and QB.
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Carr has had one bad game this year, Dallas. The other games he has looked good to very good at times, but I still want to badly see greatness. I don't see greatness in Carr ala a Staubach, Manning, Brady, Elway, Montana, etc. Maybe with continued improvement and more weapons and a better line, maybe we do have our equivilent to a Troy Aikman though. Troy took some time to come into his own as well. It wasn't until he had a great RB in Emmitt, and a terrific combo of receivers and TE's, led by Michael Irvin that he really began to shine. If he becomes something close to Aikman, we can win and win big with Carr, evidenced by Dallas' success at the time. Although he is 4th best in QB rating, I would probably put him somewhere around 10-12th best in the league right now. And folks, that represents a drastic improvement, as last year, I would have said 30th-32nd. Here's hoping he continues to improve, and doesn't have one of those ghoulish second halves like he did in 2004.

I am not convinced you will ever see "greatness" out of Carr, but I will take good to very goodness and worry about the rest of the team. I have been accused at points of being a hater and lover of Carr because I have believed that he is a starting calibur QB, but not a difference maker. You don't have to have a difference maker to win in the NFL, but the other parts of your team need to be at least above average. the texans are far from that. My next step for Carr is to prove that he can play in this manner for an entire season as a couple of years back he started out in a similiar way (not as good), but ended up regressing in the 2nd half.
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Thanks for sharing this. I think he missed the word "Some" when he started that second sentence of his second paragraph.

Everything Carr has done this year is a result of quality coaching. Kudos to David Carr for the way he has handled this Young talk.

The future is very bright.
Carr shows class all the way through. Never bad mouthed his guys like TO (even though he had sacks and dropped passes), and has once again handled himself as a true pro in the likes of say Biggio has showed himself.
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thanks for the thread Doug.


Just for the record being a Carr backer has been an ordeal on these boards. You guys still wan't to throw him out, fine. I think this year has proven give Carr some stable tallent around him and he can be productive enough to take us where we all want to go. I'm sorry it isn't Vincent. I really am. Vincent beat the vaulted best college team of all time. Dosen't that make Vincent the best college player of his generation ? I am a horn fan. I will enjoy watching Vincent mature into a great NFL QB. But I think long term the francise did the best thing. A man wiser than I once wrote you can never go home again. I believe that's true in spades.
No problem. It was a good read and even though our guys as a team haven't earned much respect, nor will they till we start winning, individual recognition is starting to become a common thing.
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i think the later part of the season is going to be the most interesting. alot of people have been saying we might make a surge or just start to come together. what im loving about kubiak is he publicly refuses to settle for what happened during the game. he is constantly critiquing carr (and lundy as well saying he left about 50 to 60 yards out on the field)
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i think the later part of the season is going to be the most interesting. alot of people have been saying we might make a surge or just start to come together. what im loving about kubiak is he publicly refuses to settle for what happened during the game. he is constantly critiquing carr (and lundy as well saying he left about 50 to 60 yards out on the field)
Rep't. Very true and major props to Kubes on that.
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