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Old 09-29-2004   #21
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How can that be argued?
so about a 1000yd difference in two equal length career's isn't arguable? or a 1.3yd avg difference?

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And I'm sure if the two RBs switched teams their numbers would also change.
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Benson plays for an offense that is less centered around him, VY gets his rushing yards and before Selvin Young got hurt, he got major playing time, like against NT when he had 107 yards to go along with Bensons 181. Add just 80 of those to Bensons and he has over 260 so thats a plus, he shares the ball and still breaks for his. Just look at the yards per carry average, more yards, less carries
im sure the numbers would switch to, and tying in the second quote, i think the difference in the production would be in even more favor of darren, who is arguably better at big plays from scrimmage. so your telling me that sproles isn't better than benson when he is 8 yds away from him right now and is the only thing about k-state's offense that strikes fear into opponents? and benson is better because his avg is higher and he is only one of the multiple threats texas has? so when opposing defense's can game plan against sproles as opposed to preparing for multiple offensive weapons at texas its in favor of darren because he touches the ball more? him being the focus of the offense means the offense AND defense knows he's getting the ball, whereas when you face texas, players are gonna get their numbers because no defense is perfect and there's alot more to worry about. so yes, when people over emphasize on vince, or are worried about the deep ball it helps cedric's avg. im really not trying to bash benson but i dont think he deserve's to be mentioned like he is in a total class by himself. hes elite, but not that elite.
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Your right that wont help when it comes time for voting, however what will help when it comes time for voting is records. If Daren stays on pace he will become the Big 12 all time leading rusher. He needs 1000 yards and with 8 games left that is very do able, esp. after his 1900 yard season last year. If he gets that record he has to jump way ahead of ced and most other continders for the heisman.
No it won't. BJ Symons broke several Big12 and national records last season playing at Tech. Where did he finish in the Heisman voting?

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Touchdowns are decieving. Last weekend the Cy-Springs Panthers (HS Football) had something like this in a way. Our sophmore running back had 260 yards rushing. The other back had less than 10 yards but 3 touchdowns. You have to look at their abililty, mainly in tape.
I agree TD's can be deceiving. Jerome Bettis in Week 1 is another example. But do you think Ced belongs in this same category?

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so about a 1000yd difference in two equal length career's isn't arguable? or a 1.3yd avg difference?
Look at their career numbers again...

Benson:
850 carries, 4,301 yards (5.1 avg), 49 TDs

Sproles:
662 carries, 4,218 yards (6.4 avg), 36 TDs

Those numbers include this season as well. It would seem Sproles is way behind in career TDs (and losing ground) and slightly behind in yards (but with a better average).

Now if the Heisman was based on a career, you MIGHT have a point. But it's a seasonal award.

Not that I think Benson deserves the Heisman right now. But he's certainly ahead of Sproles.
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Now if the Heisman was based on a career, you MIGHT have a point. But it's a seasonal award.
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Not that I think Benson deserves the Heisman right now. But he's certainly ahead of Sproles.
i know the heisman is a seasonal award, awarded to the best player in college football (which is suppoesed to = most impact/value to a succesful team). i was trying, more or less to show that when considering career stats these two are at least equals, and that 3 games into the season isn't the way to seperate anyone from anyone else. sproles may be out of serious contention, but benson isn't doing enough to be ahead of orton, leinhart, or bush either.

i agree with your last statement, but if sproles had the same numbers but k-state beat fresno state, they would be about neck and neck.
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i know the heisman is a seasonal award, awarded to the best player in college football (which is suppoesed to = most impact/value to a succesful team). i was trying, more or less to show that when considering career stats these two are at least equals, and that 3 games into the season isn't the way to seperate anyone from anyone else. sproles may be out of serious contention, but benson isn't doing enough to be ahead of orton, leinhart, or bush either.

i agree with your last statement, but if sproles had the same numbers but k-state beat fresno state, they would be about neck and neck.
I agree that they're comparable players. I would even go so far as to say Sproles is the better RB. Well...he's a better running RB. I think he's (Sproles) has more talent and his career does match up with Benson.

He's just not having as good a year as Cedric. And it's really not close.

They've both played two cream puffs and padded their stats. In their one tough game so far (Arkansas for Texas...Fresno State for KSU), Benson carried his team and ran for 188 yards while Sproles managed just 37.

I also agree that Benson hasn't done anything to separate himself from the others you've mentioned. But honestly, what have they done to separate themselves in just 3 games?

Orton has put up some really good numbers but is it the system? He sure does have a lot of attempts (but it's a credit to him that he has yet to throw an INT).

Leinert has done a good job of getting the ball to his playmakers but how can anybody say he's the best player in the country when he's probably not even the best player on his team?

Bush is an underclassman...he can forget about winning the award. It's just not going to happen (see Larry Fitzgerald last season).

Jason White...again, is it the system and the surrounding talent or is just that good?

But I've always felt the same as what Longhornbabe stated earlier. Until they give defensive players more consideration, the award will be a joke.
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Until they give defensive players more consideration, the award will be a joke.
i think the only person who would disagree with this is a mr. charles woodson :hehe:
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Yeah, but Woodson would not have won had had he not returned punts, kick-offs and played offense. There have been more dominating collegiate CBs than Woodson that never sniffed the Heisman.
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