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Old 10-18-2006   #1
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Things might change, but we deperately need to go after a starting running back, shutdown corner, defensive tackle (our pick ups so far this season does not look like Dalton will resolve this. Hope I'm wrong) and an outside linebacker that equals Demeco in ability. Uh, did somebody say this was what we needed last draft? Well, we still do and I'm not knocking Mario, Ryans or the "twins" in 3rd. Just interesting, we have same needs & maybe a left OT and a TE might be needed. What happened to Putzier and Owens?
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Things might change, but we deperately need to go after a starting running back, shutdown corner, defensive tackle (our pick ups so far this season does not look like Dalton will resolve this. Hope I'm wrong) and an outside linebacker that equals Demeco in ability. Uh, did somebody say this was what we needed last draft? Well, we still do and I'm not knocking Mario, Ryans or the "twins" in 3rd. Just interesting, we have same needs & maybe a left OT and a TE might be needed. What happened to Putzier and Owens?
Maybe we can shop at Costco and pick these things up.



As for the TE, the coaching staff says that the involvement of the wide receivers/TEs is going to be very dependant on the particular matchups in a week.
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Man....Speaking of the D-Line....I think they need to ask Weaver to gain some weight and make DT his full time position...I don't think we can afford to start Mario and Weaver at the ends...JMO....
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Man....Speaking of the D-Line....I think they need to ask Weaver to gain some weight and make DT his full time position...I don't think we can afford to start Mario and Weaver at the ends...JMO....
Wasn't that why both Mario & Weaver were signed? DE? Evidently, somebody making decisions for the team disagrees with you.
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Wasn't that why both Mario & Weaver were signed? DE? Evidently, somebody making decisions for the team disagrees with you.
I think Weaver started with the Texans as a DT....remember ? All the complaints that we were paying DE money to a guy to play DT???

Im just sayin....both of them are SDE in my opinion....One of em needs to go to DT so we can get freeney/Mathis kind of guy on the edge...again, JMO....

I wouldn't neccessarily say they disagree...I don't think they have all the answers themselves...
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JMO, but I say we play Babin and/or Peek from here on out and find out if they can play DE in this league. Then, maybe Weaver is the answer at DT in place of Payne.
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JMO, but I say we play Babin and/or Peek from here on out and find out if they can play DE in this league. Then, maybe Weaver is the answer at DT in place of Payne.
I agree, but I think Peek is legit.


If Mario does gain double teams, and he has, put him on Peeks side and let Peek reap the benefits.
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I agree, but I think Peek is legit.
Peek has to hit the field more frequently. Pass rushing specialist DE's should not be out as much as he has over his career.
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Peek has to hit the field more frequently. Pass rushing specialist DE's should not be out as much as he has over his career.
Wasn't he dinged up??

IMO, our D-line has some real issues....I don't think we can continue to play Weaver and Mario....We are essentially playing with 4 DT type players....Where is the pressure supposed to come from???

Originally I like the idea of Mario playing WDE and Weaver at SDE...Well...It didn't take long for me to figure out that Mario wasn't quite as good at WDE as I thought he'd be(lack of a fast twitch...seriously)...So where does that leave weaver ????


Thats why I think he needs to gain weight and go to DT full time, and let Babin and Peek rotate at the weakside DE....

either that or just switch back to the 3-4
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I've been saying for a while that we cant have both Mario and Weaver at DE at the same time, simply not enough speed on the field. I thin Mario should lose a few pound (5 or 10), rember he is playing at a weight where he could be a DT, in order to maximize his speed and Weaver should be moved inside next to the Johnsons with Peek and Babin battling for the WDE spot.
Anyway, keep in mind everyone on this D is very young, so with some experiance and some healthy veterans (come back Kaille) we should see more consitentcy and a continued increase in productivity.
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we deperately need to go after a starting running back,
Not really. Im not so sure that Dayne and Gado couldnt be a great one two punch for us. Fact of the matter is that our Oline is sucking at run blocking.. and it makes our RBs look pretty bad.

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No such thing anymore. Dunta Robinson is a great talent though and with a pass rush, Robinson and Faggins or McLeon may be just fine.. if not well above average.

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Definatly a big need.. and one that we are very unlikely to adequately fill before next years offseason.

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For sure.. and the best way to get one is to target one in the first or second round of next year's draft.
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Not really. Im not so sure that Dayne and Gado couldnt be a great one two punch for us. Fact of the matter is that our Oline is sucking at run blocking.. and it makes our RBs look pretty bad.
No our running backs aren't good...We probably have the worst RB corps in the leauge...

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No such thing anymore. Dunta Robinson is a great talent though and with a pass rush, Robinson and Faggins or McLeon may be just fine.. if not well above average.
Dunta is good...But I don't think he is the best cover guy out there...

There may not be shutdown corners anymore, but coverage gets a lot better than what D.Rob's shown...

We need another corner.

and safety.
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Peek has to hit the field more frequently. Pass rushing specialist DE's should not be out as much as he has over his career.
I totally agree, but I see the agression and fire in him that I wish more guys had on this team. Babin costed us SOO MUCH, but it is safe to say he has more tatoos than talent and is a TOTAL bust.

Anyone missing Robaire Smith, the first bad move (or the 2nd depending on draft) by the Kubiak regime.
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No our running backs aren't good...We probably have the worst RB corps in the leauge...
Cant really tell behind our Oline.


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Dunta is good...But I don't think he is the best cover guy out there...

There may not be shutdown corners anymore, but coverage gets a lot better than what D.Rob's shown...

We need another corner.

and safety.
Cant really tell with our struggling pass rush.
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Cant really tell behind our Oline.
It doesn't take a lot of examining...We have Dayne and Gado...

What team in the entire leauge would take Dayne and Gado over their top two running backs??

Answer: 0

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Cant really tell with our struggling pass rush.
I'll give you that...

And Im not sayin Dunta Sucks...But IMO, he's not very good in coverage...
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We need a new team!!! JK!!!

We do need help in the secondary, linebackers, and both O and D lines, but we do have good players at the position. We just need help.

Our RB's are only as good as our line, except Dayne who is a big back who is way too slow. Not to mention he owes Spencer for putting him out for the season!!! Think about it, Denver let him go and so did NY. Sam Gado is un-proven, i think he would be a good 3rd down back AKA Bettis who could compliment a fast back such as Lundy.

Smith just needs to do a better job evaluating talent via drafts, trades, or FA.
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Weaver moving back to tackle. Are you kidding me?! He's the second most productive D-lineman we have behind Williams. Kubiak is always talking about putting the best linemen out there. Mario and Weaver are our two best DE's. Move Weaver inside and you're instantly not putting the best four players on the field. Weaver is our second best DE and he's earned that spot. He doesn't deserve to get shuffled around.

You wanna talk about desperate needs. Okay how about this. Offensive tackle. It looks like Weigart isn't starting next game. So we're going in with Winston and Salaam, and who's backing them up. A guard. Are you ****ting me? I swear! Wand is just sitting on his ass somewhere and knows the system. I'm not saying he has to be the starter, but C'MON we need some semblance of depth.
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It doesn't take a lot of examining...We have Dayne and Gado...

What team in the entire leauge would take Dayne and Gado over their top two running backs??

Answer: 0
As much fun as it would be to sign a superstar at every position, that just isnt possible. Gado is an unknown.. but had a great year with Green Bay.. Dayne struggled in New York and looked ok in Denver.

Niether have shown anything to make me believe they lack talent, and really.. a superstar in one system can be a total loser in another.. we dont yet know if Dayne and Gado will be losers, or superstars, in our system.. and we wont know until we get an Oline in front of them that can open a hole, and hold it open for more than a split second.
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got to disagree TOTALLY

PUNTER!!!!!, please Santa have been a good boy this year.

Anyone see how we had ball on our 40 yard line and he couldn't get it to inside 10 let alone 20

we don't need this player and that we need 2 things and that is not personnel

1) we need PRESSURE from D-Line

2) Holes for a RB to go through, not slits that close faster than a girl's interest when you say BROKE
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