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Old 10-16-2006   #1
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From day one Coach Kubiak told us "the backend is fine". Now we have confirmed that it is a huge weakness and the 2nd most talentless area of the team.

The running game has been a disaster. We have been told that this is the most important aspect of the offense and it is a complete failure week after week. Tom Pendry's running game was better than team's.... which is inexcusable.

This team is being outcoaced week after week. The playcalling is predictable and teams are all over what we're doing. It's just like last year, but with different plays. Opponents are making halftime adjustments and dominating in the second half of games. Can't put 2 halves of decent football together just like last year.

I understand that this team has very little talent, but the talent is does have is not being coached up correctly. This team could possibly be as bad as last year's team if not worse.

The Oakland game looks to be the only winnable game remaining on the schedule. Last place and the first pick is looking inevitable again this year.
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Wrong.

It's the offensive line again. Only this time, they pass-protect well, but can't get the push on running plays.
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I'm not making any excuses for the offensive line.. they're a bunch of cowards also. But it looks like the running backs are being coached to run into the back of their offensive lineman. Morency had his flaws, but he was much better than anything we can put on the field currently. Another bad personnel decision that will lead to another 2-14 season.
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I'm not making any excuses for the offensive line.. they're a bunch of cowards also. But it looks like the running backs are being coached to run into the back of their offensive lineman. Morency had his flaws, but he was much better than anything we can put on the field currently. Another bad personnel decision that will lead to another 2-14 season.
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Wrong.

It's the offensive line again. Only this time, they pass-protect well, but can't get the push on running plays.
These same linemen did last year and the year before and the year before.
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Wrong.

It's the offensive line again. Only this time, they pass-protect well, but can't get the push on running plays.
Is it the O-lines fault that the RB runs right into the pile instead of attempting to cut back or bounce it outside?? I agree the coaching staff has been outcoached every game out, with the possible exception of the Miami game. Where is this zone blocking scheme everyone was so high on?
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Wrong.

It's the offensive line again. Only this time, they pass-protect well, but can't get the push on running plays.
I stated this on another thread but I will say it here to, the run blocking is fine, IMO here are the problems

1. No one is scared or afraid to go up the middle on our D, why? Lack of an effective safety,and cover corners (all of them) coaches had to know this---coaches fault then

2. Part of the West Coast offense (which we do run) is the dink and dunk, there is not any part of the WCO that calls for "the dumpoff" all the time---once again coaching and Carr

3. We keep rushing our lineman most of the time, Texans D is most effective when they CB blitz or disguise the LB and blitz with him--- coaching

4. Last but not least the running game, I actually thought yesterday in the second half we had the right idea with the constant PA fakes, it's just up to Carr to get it downfield. As for the running we are doing draws and dives with Dayne, please-----coaching
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Is it the O-lines fault that the RB runs right into the pile instead of attempting to cut back or bounce it outside?? I agree the coaching staff has been outcoached every game out, with the possible exception of the Miami game. Where is this zone blocking scheme everyone was so high on?
Still in Denver with the correct line to run it.
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Notice how much better protection Carr is getting? That isn't all because of the OL. Dayne and Gado are starting because Morency and Lundy weren't holding up their end on passing downs.

Now, I know you can turn that around and say it isn't all the OL on running plays.

But the fact remains . . it all starts upfront. The OL isn't opening any holes, and they are getting no push. And it isn't going to get any better, either. They lost Weigart, and they got an unready Winston to take his spot.
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Quit blasting the o-line. I know they deserved it in the past, but they're doing a much better job this yr. I'm not making excuses, but watch the game, there are running lanes and they aren't utilized, for whatever reason Dayne and Gado just aren't getting to them. Could they do better, of course, but they're doing a decent job already so stop laying all the blame at their feet.

Wonger is right this falls on the coaches. We do well in our fist drives, but then after the half we don't make adjustments on offense or on defense. That was the difference yesterday and has been all season. Instead of going in and saying these are the weaknesses we saw let's capitalize on them we go in and think we're doing okay let's keep doing what we're doing and get the win. That just isn't going to work. The Cowboys went in and said we're not having much success let's put extra men on the side we're running to and use our TE's as fullbacks. On defense they figured out we have no running game and adjusted accordingly. What did our coaching staff do? If they did something different I didn't see it.

Overall, the coaching staff needs to get serious, Dayne hasn't produced. Why is he still starting. LB's other than Ryans haven't really been a factor. Why aren't we trying different people out there. We're not winning and it doesn't look like we're going to. Why not try to see what other options we have instead of trying the same god darn thing and expecting different results!
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Both Gado and Dayne produced in GB and Denver respectively. Gado averaged over 4 ypc last year, and Dayne blew up the Cowboys last year. Neither could do anything with our team.

Morency averaged 2 ypc against the Eagles with us, he played them with the Packers and racked up almost 100 yards rushing.

Whats the difference between our two teams? Oh yeah, the OL! In 2/3 of those cases, the coaches are even the same!
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From day one Coach Kubiak told us "the backend is fine". Now we have confirmed that it is a huge weakness and the 2nd most talentless area of the team.

The running game has been a disaster. We have been told that this is the most important aspect of the offense and it is a complete failure week after week. Tom Pendry's running game was better than team's.... which is inexcusable.

This team is being outcoaced week after week. The playcalling is predictable and teams are all over what we're doing. It's just like last year, but with different plays. Opponents are making halftime adjustments and dominating in the second half of games. Can't put 2 halves of decent football together just like last year.

I understand that this team has very little talent, but the talent is does have is not being coached up correctly. This team could possibly be as bad as last year's team if not worse.

The Oakland game looks to be the only winnable game remaining on the schedule. Last place and the first pick is looking inevitable again this year.
While I share your disillusion with the coaching staff in general right now, I think you are overstating their failure. I still see this team finishing 6-10. Dallas had much more talent and -- regrettably -- a superior coaching staff. The apparent lack of halftime adjustments, piss poor secondary, and abysmal running game are my greatest fears right now.
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Notice how much better protection Carr is getting? That isn't all because of the OL. Dayne and Gado are starting because Morency and Lundy weren't holding up their end on passing downs.

Now, I know you can turn that around and say it isn't all the OL on running plays.

But the fact remains . . it all starts upfront. The OL isn't opening any holes, and they are getting no push. And it isn't going to get any better, either. They lost Weigart, and they got an unready Winston to take his spot.
I watched Morency pick up a number of blitzes in the preseason. His trade is all the more frustrating now in light of Ron Dayne's apparent inability to so much as change direction in the backfield. The gaps are there on many plays, and Dayne either doesn't see them or can't get to them.
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I watched Morency pick up a number of blitzes in the preseason. His trade is all the more frustrating now in light of Ron Dayne's apparent inability to so much as change direction in the backfield. The gaps are there on many plays, and Dayne either doesn't see them or can't get to them.
I'm not sure what gaps ya'll are seeing. The only thing I notice on running plays is a huge pile of linemen. Maybe they've been there at times and I just haven't noticed. There have been several chances for a cut back that never happens though.
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These same linemen did last year and the year before and the year before.
This is what makes it so puzzling, and so frustrating. They were a reasonable
good run blocking team in the past, but very poor at pass protection.
According to Spencer Tillman last night on the Channel 13 post game show with Bob Allen, he says one reason for this is that the Texans OLine is using narrower splits to aid their pass protection, but of course that is less favorable for rushing plays as the DLine is not spread out as far as it would be with wider Oline gaps. So there is that trade-off, he claims.
And we also knows that the Cowboys were content to keep their safetys back to double up with the corners on WR coverage and keep all passesd underneth them. No safety blitzs.
I dunno, but how much of a learning curve is their with thier ZB scheme Kubiak is running ?
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I'm not sure what gaps ya'll are seeing. The only thing I notice on running plays is a huge pile of linemen. Maybe they've been there at times and I just haven't noticed. There have been several chances for a cut back that never happens though.
I didn't see any gaps there, either. I'm rewatching the game right now. It's near the end of the 2nd quarter, and have yet to see one gap. Someone want to point one out for me?

Quit blasting the O-line?? Then tell me where the gaps were?
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I would tell you where to look but that would defeat the purpose, all I can say is focus on the guards you have to see it for yourself, and if you don't well then................
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I would tell you where to look but that would defeat the purpose, all I can say is focus on the guards you have to see it for yourself, and if you don't well then................
How could you get anymore pathetically weak? You don't see any either, so admit it.
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How can this fall on the coaches? We couldn't get 1 yard for a 3rd down conversion MANY times yesterday. It was pathetic that this line couldn't push for 1 freakin yard to get a first down, and trust me, this isn't just this year either. Flanagan got blown up on many plays and was pushed back. If you can't get 1 yard, that is not the coaches fault. I saw that the Cowboys blitzed sparingly and controlled the line of scrimmage even though they only had 4 rushers at any given time. With that type of lineup, you'd think we'd be able to run the ball.
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I saw that the Cowboys blitzed sparingly and controlled the line of scrimmage even though they only had 4 rushers at any given time. With that type of lineup, you'd think we'd be able to run the ball.
If you are a defender and watch film of our offense and Carr's history you can just about assume that nearly every single pass will be underneath the linebacker drops. It's easier to come support the run when you know the QB can't beat you in the middle of the field and in the seams. Until we start beating teams deep middle and in the seams we are going to struggle.
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