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Old 10-16-2006   #1
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This team is absolutely disgraceful and I'm embarrassed to be associated with this organization this morning. To flame out the way they did in the second half is inexcusable.

The sad part is there is nothing that can be done to fix it. The organization has been turned over on the management and personnel side and still produces the same unacceptable results. It's one thing to lose, yet another to be physically and mentally overmatched week after week. This team hasn't looked like it even belongs in the NFL for almost 2 years.

I will hang in there to the end, I just hope that I can witness a winning season in my lifetime... but it's not looking good...

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This team is absolutely disgraceful and I'm embarrassed to be associated with this organization this morning. To flame out the way they did in the second half is inexcusable.

The sad part is their is nothing that can be done to fix it. The organization has been turned over on the management and personnel side and still produces the same unacceptable results. It's one thing to lose, yet another to be physically and mentally overmatched week after week. This team hasn't looked like it even belongs in the NFL for almost 2 years.

I will hang in there to the end, I just hope that I can witness a winning season in my lifetime... but it's not looking good...
Wonger what did you expect out of the Texans this season ????

I'm not sure how you can look at the team and not see hope and progress...People were talking about the cowboys as a superbowl contender...we are coming off of 2-14....

We look 100 times better than we did last year despite the ugly second half...
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I have said it before and will say it again, miracles do not happen overnight. Kubiak came in here and is trying to fix the mess Capers and Co. left behind. We have seen some improvement in some areas. I do not know what some of you expected to see this season...
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I have said it before and will say it again, miracles do not happen overnight. Kubiak came in here and is trying to fix the mess Capers and Co. left behind. We have seen some improvement in some areas. I do not know what some of you expected to see this season...
Don't tell this to Sean Payton. I don't think he knows that it takes years and years to rebuild. Most thought that he was handed a mess when he took over the Saints. The Saints fans ran Jim Haslett out of town much like we ran Dom out of here.
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C'mon people - it's going to get better. It just HAS to! Give Kubiak a chance, he hasn't had much time yet.
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People were talking about the cowboys as a superbowl contender...
I'm glad you said contender. The Super Bowl was getting crowded with other Texan opponents like the Eagles and the Colts already there.


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We look 100 times better than we did last year despite the ugly second half...
Which still leaves us well short of the 2004 team. It is still pretty ugly.
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Which still leaves us well short of the 2004 team. It is still pretty ugly.
It's not really fair to judge Kubiak based on the 2004 team...he didn't inherit that team...he inherited the 2005 Texans....Which was the worst team in the leauge...
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Don't tell this to Sean Payton. I don't think he knows that it takes years and years to rebuild. Most thought that he was handed a mess when he took over the Saints. The Saints fans ran Jim Haslett out of town much like we ran Dom out of here.
I expected the Saints to at least contend for the playoffs last year. Of course, this was before Katrina. I think they barely missed the playoffs the year before.
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Don't tell this to Sean Payton. I don't think he knows that it takes years and years to rebuild. Most thought that he was handed a mess when he took over the Saints. The Saints fans ran Jim Haslett out of town much like we ran Dom out of here.
That is not a fair comparison as the Saints had more talent than their evacuated team showed last season. The Saints also did not lose their starting runningback, Duece McAllister, in training camp this year. The year Duece did not play certainly impacted their play. He also traded in his high mileage QB for a more reliable one in Drew Brees.
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That is not a fair comparison as the Saints had more talent than their evacuated team showed last season. The Saints also did not lose their starting runningback, Duece McAllister, in training camp this year. The year Duece did not play certainly impacted their play. He also traded in his high mileage QB for a more reliable one in Drew Brees.
I guess no NFL team is a fair comparison then....the Saints defense was awful, they start two rookies on offense, had a suspect O line and brought in a new OC and HC and QB in one off-season...but make it work in one year.
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Which still leaves us well short of the 2004 team. It is still pretty ugly.
Absolutely, but as ugly as it is so far this season we all know it could be much much uglier. No one on the team escapes blame for the terrible second half showing we witnessed on Sunday. This coaching staff has to make the needed changes to make this team look like a professional team & so far they haven't done it. Early in the season it was the defense & running game that we all pointed to as the biggest problems for this team, and now we're seeing some improvement in the defense but no progress on the running game. What boggles the mind is how horrible our running game is so far this season. Again, that's on the coaches to figure out how to fix it.

Last season we had problems in every facet of the game with the possible exception of returning kicks, and there was no reason to believe that the coaching staff would fix any of the problems. It's quite possible that this season could get uglier if our running game isn't fixed & our team decides to quit midway through the season as they did in 05. I don't think that will happen this year & I'm hopeful that Kubiak will figure it out and fix it by either bringing in Wand for depth on the OL or bringing in a new RB or just by focusing on it more in practices.
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I guess no NFL team is a fair comparison then....the Saints defense was awful, they start two rookies on offense, had a suspect O line and brought in a new OC and HC and QB in one off-season...but make it work in one year.
They do have a better QB and RB. That just confirms your point though. Our brass hasn't brought in the goods.
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"I'm not sure how you can look at the team and not see hope and progress"


Please give some examples to back this statement up--not future speculations, but actual things that are happening on the field on a consistent basis that says "hope and progress."
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Don't tell this to Sean Payton. I don't think he knows that it takes years and years to rebuild. Most thought that he was handed a mess when he took over the Saints. The Saints fans ran Jim Haslett out of town much like we ran Dom out of here.
Payton has Brees, Joe Horn, Deuce McAllister, Marques Colston, and God er I mean Reggie Bush, and a much better line on offense to work with. They've also got a pretty good defense as well. And Payton is not really "rebuilding", the pieces were set in place when he got there, ie Horn, McAllister, and Colston and Bush were drafted under his regime. Kubiak had to come in here and get us a real #2 WR, a real TE, try to do something with our O line, make the trasition from the 3-4 to the 4-3 in his first year as head coach. I think Kubiak has done a good job in adding some of the pieces, ie Moulds, Daniels, etc. but IMO he could have done a much better job addressing the O line, RB position, LB, and DB spots.
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Payton has Brees, Joe Horn, Deuce McAllister, Marques Colston, and God er I mean Reggie Bush, and a much better line on offense to work with. They've also got a pretty good defense as well. And Payton is not really "rebuilding", the pieces were set in place when he got there, ie Horn, McAllister, and Colston and Bush were drafted under his regime. Kubiak had to come in here and get us a real #2 WR, a real TE, try to do something with our O line, make the trasition from the 3-4 to the 4-3 in his first year as head coach. I think Kubiak has done a good job in adding some of the pieces, ie Moulds, Daniels, etc. but IMO he could have done a much better job addressing the O line, RB position, LB, and DB spots.
I know who they have in players....we have players too. We stood behind our guys and revamped this offense as well....we could have gone after Brees...we had a chance to dump out of the Carr contract but decided he was going to take us to the next level (LOL). We could have signed a big time back....we could have drafted Marques Colston, we could have Bush too. Your arugment is what exactly? That your team is an exception to the rule...just because you are a homer?
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I guess no NFL team is a fair comparison then....the Saints defense was awful, they start two rookies on offense, had a suspect O line and brought in a new OC and HC and QB in one off-season...but make it work in one year.
Not true.......you could compare the Raiders, Browns or even Miami (although Saben and Crennel have a year head start as they are in their second year).
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Not true.......you could compare the Raiders, Browns or even Miami (although Saben and Crennel have a year head start as they are in their second year).
Miami improved last year. So far this year a step back but they won more than 2 games in a row and didn't have to cut anyone's hair to celebrate such an enormous feat. Comparing your franchise to the Raiders means you are an embarrasment...so I didn't go there. The Browns have shown some fight this year and look improved to me....but then again...I watch more NFL games than most of you guys....so its jmo that they are a better team and are on the rise while we are peddling stagnant water here in Houston.
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I know who they have in players....we have players too. We stood behind our guys and revamped this offense as well....we could have gone after Brees...we had a chance to dump out of the Carr contract but decided he was going to take us to the next level (LOL). We could have signed a big time back....we could have Bush too. Your arugment is what exactly? That your team is an exception to the rule...just because you are a homer?
LMAO a homer? You must not read my posts. My point is the pieces were in place when Payton took over and the Saint's were not bad at all talent wise when he did take over. Our team has sucked from day one and Kubiak came in here and did what he thought was needed to do which obviously was not enough. People expect miracles over night but it doesn't happen, unless you have guys like Horn, McAllister, Colston, Bush, a good offensive line, and a good defense already in place. I just don't think it is fair to compare Payton and the Saints to Kubiak and the Texans, especially since our talent level was much much worse when Kubiak came in than the talent level in New Orleans when Payton took over. And yes, we revamped our offense, in New Orleans the talent was already there.
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I've read too many over the years...yeah, I think you are a bit of a homer.
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