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This should be a great game and I hope some of you watch it. There are a few players in this game we may want to draft come April. Watch out for Thomas Davis.

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Yea it will be. Im heading up to Athens on friday for it. SEC rivalry games are far and beyond any other. Especially this one. Oh by the way you have it all wrong, that is the best mascot in college football.
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I think Georgia wins this year.
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Go Tigers .. I just love LSU.
They won me over about 12 years ago with their exciting home games and the enthusiasm around Baton Rouge.
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The three biggest rivalries in college football IMO are:

(in no particular order)
Michigan/Ohio State
Texas/OU
Alabama/Auburn

Princeton/Yale and Army/Navy get honorable mention but are not on the list merely because their teams suck every year.

Anyone else that claims their rivalry game is bigger just doesn't know what they are talking about.
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I have been a LSU fan since the days of Billy Cannon. That goes back a lot of years. My dad's favorite player when I was small was Steve Van Buren from the Eagles. He when to LSU. That is what got me started. I have lived in the Philly area most of my life and have never been to La. Would like to see the school someday. Only know one other guy up here that is a LSU fan. Everything up here is Penn State or Notre Dame Don't like either one. The SEC is the best around (personal thinking only). Should be a great game. GO TIGERS!!!
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I grew up (Cleveland) with the Ohio State/Michigan rivalry a permanent part of my life. It was a week long ritual of non-stop game preparation... and then it was a year long boasting or vowing to overthrow the next year. It never ended! I swear both states come to a halt that Saturday of the game. It's bigger then Christmas.

LSU has become my other college team. The game atmosphere in Baton Rouge on a Saturday night is beyond words. They put on a show!
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You are actually going to throw UT vs. OU as one of the greatest rivalries? That is ridiculous. Look im from Texas, and I am not claiming any of LSU's games as the greatest of rivalries but you shouldnt claim UT OU as one of the top three either. I've been to the red river shootout before and it isnt that impressive. It might be UT's biggest rival cause they get beaten every year, but if you want to go back in history OU's biggest football rival is Nebraska. I will give you the other two even though both Auburn and Alabama are sh** holes, but no way is UT OU up there. Heck your Army vs Navy rivalry in honerable mention is a bigger rival. You cant live in the last 5 years to determine a football rivalry.

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The three biggest rivalries in college football IMO are:

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Michigan/Ohio State
Texas/OU
Alabama/Auburn

Princeton/Yale and Army/Navy get honorable mention but are not on the list merely because their teams suck every year.

Anyone else that claims their rivalry game is bigger just doesn't know what they are talking about.
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You are actually going to throw UT vs. OU as one of the greatest rivalries? That is ridiculous. Look im from Texas, and I am not claiming any of LSU's games as the greatest of rivalries but you shouldnt claim UT OU as one of the top three either. I've been to the red river shootout before and it isnt that impressive. It might be UT's biggest rival cause they get beaten every year, but if you want to go back in history OU's biggest football rival is Nebraska. I will give you the other two even though both Auburn and Alabama are sh** holes, but no way is UT OU up there. Heck your Army vs Navy rivalry in honerable mention is a bigger rival. You cant live in the last 5 years to determine a football rivalry.
Um...no. If you ask any ou fan they'll tell you Texas is their first and foremost rival. Bigger than former Big8 foe Nebraska and bigger than in-state upstart OSU.

Texas losing the last four is irrelevant. They won a string of four in a row before they lost four in a row. So it goes both ways. Texas also holds a sizable lead in the overall series (55-37-5).

As an LSU fan it's not surprising you weren't impressed. What interest would you have in it? I'm pretty sure if I went to the World's Largest Cocktail Party I wouldn't think much of it either. I consider Alabama/Auburn to be a great rivalry. But that doesn't mean I'd be enthralled with what went on during that week.

The game is played at a neutral site every year. Half-way between each school.
The stadium is divided in half by their fan bases.
Most of the kids playing in the game also played against each other in high school.
They have played each other 97 times. Many times, both were ranked in the top 10.
They have 10 National titles between them.

But yeah, it'd be ridiculous to mention it as one of the greatest rivalries in the country.

If you can mention another rivalry that consists of all of that (I realize some have at least one of those characteristics), I'd like to hear it.
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If I ask ANY? Man it is sad that you are older than me and dont know the history of college football. A rivalry isnt decided in 4 or 5 years of hating each other it is decided over decades. The Nu OU has died in the 21st century and will not be strong again until NU gets a team together, but man how can anyone when college football is mentioned not think about Switzer vs. Osborne. Or how about "THE GAME OF THE CENTURY!!!" Back in 71. It is so easy to forget great teams when they go through slumps but every team does. The Aggies in the 80's were a power house and dominated UT but I bet as a UT fan you would say that it is just another game for UT. That they dont care. That rivalry has produced one school with their fight song saying "saw varsity's horns off", and the other with a mascott that has a name because of the 13-0 A&M prank. Wait for OU to get like they were in the 90's and UT to go through a slump and we will see how big of a rival game that is. But back to your question, to name a game that has what UT OU does. Here ya go.
Army vs. Navy is played in Pa. A neutral spot. The stadium is devided in half by fans. They have played each other over 100 times, with 6 national championships between the two. There is that, here is another that is bigger in history than UT OU. One of the greatest all time, USC vs. Notre Dame. These two teams have produced players like Joe Montana, Marcus Allen O.J Simpson, Joe Theisman, Tim Brown, and Keyshawn Johnson. It also has produced 12 heisman trophie winners and 19 national championships. My whole point in this has been that you can not base a rivalry because two teams have been playing good for a few years and say hey, that is the biggest rivalry in my state so it MUST be one of the greatest of all time. I lived in Texas for 18 years and know the importance to those two teams and even the importance that it holds for the Big 12 but to say that it is one of the greatest in college football ever, yes it is RIDICULOUS!!!
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If I ask ANY? Man it is sad that you are older than me and dont know the history of college football. A rivalry isnt decided in 4 or 5 years of hating each other it is decided over decades.


First you claim that I don't know the history of college football then you go on to say that the Texas/OU rivalry has been decided in the last 4 or 5 years.

Seriously...you should've stopped after that.

But I'll give you the Army/Navy game. While it's not very fun to watch, it's still a great rivalry.

But I had to chuckle when you said USC/ND. "These two teams have produced players like Joe Montana, Marcus Allen O.J Simpson, Joe Theisman, Tim Brown, and Keyshawn Johnson."

Keyshawn Johnson!? Are you effin' kidding me!? Was he a good college football player? Yes. Does he belong on a list with Joe Montana, OJ, Theesman (yes, I realize that's misspelled...that's how he pronounced his name when he was on college but changed it to rhyme with "Heisman"), etc.? Absolutely not.

And yes, A&M is a rivalry. The record doesn't reflect it but them being the other prominent in-state university that has had some success in football make them a rivalry.


My whole point in this has been that you can not base a rivalry because two teams have been playing good for a few years and say hey, that is the biggest rivalry in my state so it MUST be one of the greatest of all time.


At what point did I use this as my reasoning?

Texas and OU have been playing good for a few years? Are you sure I'm the one that doesn't know about college football history?
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First you claim that I don't know the history of college football then you go on to say that the Texas/OU rivalry has been decided in the last 4 or 5 years.

Seriously...you should've stopped after that.

Ha i love when people put words in my mouth. I didnt say that the rivalry has been decided in the last four or five years, i said that the hatred has become equally popular between these two teams in the past four or five years, and you cant argue with that, you know why? Because until the late 90's do you think that OU was pointing out the UT game on their schedule as the game of the year? No of course they wern't. Their major game year in and year out until recently has been Nebraska. It is ridiculous to say other wise becuase especially in the 90's NU was the team of the decade. And here is another dumb comment:
Keyshawn Johnson!? Are you effin' kidding me!? Was he a good college football player? Yes. Does he belong on a list with Joe Montana, OJ, Theesman (yes, I realize that's misspelled...that's how he pronounced his name when he was on college but changed it to rhyme with "Heisman"), etc.? Absolutely not.

What are we talking about here? are we talking about Montana and ND or are we talking about Montana at San Fran? We are talking about college football so as far as college football is concerned yes he absolutely deserves to be mentioned with those names. He was if not the best, one of the best recievers in USC history. What he does in his pro career has no barring in this conversation.

And how exactly can you "chuckle" at Notre Dame USC being a great rivalry game? That game has 10 times the history that UT vs. OU does. Here is a fact i bet you didn't know. Nike became what it is today because of the USC Notre Dame rivalry. The first Nike shoe was worn and promoted at this game. And laugh all you want because Notre Dame hasnt had a good team in a while but they are still Americas Dynasty for college football. That is a fact. So far in your statements you have presented nothing but biased opinions as to why UT and OU deserves to be in the top 3 in college football rivals. That is what this whole arguement is about. You dared me to find a team that has all of the credientals that is found in the OU UT game and I found you one better. If you laugh at why USC vs. Notre Dame is not a great rivalry then tell me why, and dont say because Notre Dame sucks because believe it or not, the hardest point that I have tried to make to you is that college football existed before 1998. If ya come at me with some facts then I will listen to your arguement but if ya come at me again with " But I had to chuckle when you said USC/ND" or "Keyshawn Johnson!? Are you effin' kidding me!? " then im just gonna blast ya again.
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Ha i love when people put words in my mouth. I didnt say that the rivalry has been decided in the last four or five years, i said that the hatred has become equally popular between these two teams in the past four or five years, and you cant argue with that, you know why? Because until the late 90's do you think that OU was pointing out the UT game on their schedule as the game of the year? No of course they wern't. Their major game year in and year out until recently has been Nebraska. It is ridiculous to say other wise becuase especially in the 90's NU was the team of the decade.
See the quote in bold? Tell me if this quote looks familiar...

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You are actually going to throw UT vs. OU as one of the greatest rivalries? That is ridiculous. Look im from Texas, and I am not claiming any of LSU's games as the greatest of rivalries but you shouldnt claim UT OU as one of the top three either. I've been to the red river shootout before and it isnt that impressive. It might be UT's biggest rival cause they get beaten every year, but if you want to go back in history OU's biggest football rival is Nebraska. I will give you the other two even though both Auburn and Alabama are sh** holes, but no way is UT OU up there. Heck your Army vs Navy rivalry in honerable mention is a bigger rival. You cant live in the last 5 years to determine a football rivalry.
It should look familiar...you said it. Or were you just pointing out to us the fans how long it's mattered to us? Because you being the outsider would know much more about our feelings than we would...right?

While you're at it...

Get educated on Texas/OU from an OU standpoint...

Is it just a "Texas thing" and I'm out of my mind? Ask an outside opinion...

Need a quote from that article? Here ya go...

"No game carries with it the atmosphere, the excitement, the energy level that the Oklahoma-Texas game does," - Barry Switzer.

Switzer...you know...head coach of the Sooners during the years you claim they were busy grabassing with Nebraska around the Big8.

Some other quotes...

"Walking down the tunnel and standing next to the guys you're about to face on the field is awesome. Then you hear the (guns) shooting and you hear the crowd " half is screaming for OU and the other half is booing. It gives you a rush." - Josh Norman, Former Sooner and current San Diego Charger

"One thing that intensifies the rivalry is that we have a lot of guys from Texas who play for the University of Oklahoma. The hype and the hoopla of the game make it very exciting. It is a very important game from the fan's standpoint, for personal pride and for the players, especially the players from the state of Texas. It is a state rivalry and I think it gets everybody involved."
- Jackie Shipp, Former Sooner and current OU assistant coach

"I had no clue what to expect. But that was one of the top games I've ever been to, as far as atmosphere. The setting makes it special. It adds a festival atmosphere to the game. Once you're in the stadium, it's so cool to look up and see things half and half, in terms of the fans." - Kirk Herbstreit, ESPN

"Right now, I think it's the best thing going in college football." - Chris Fowler, ESPN

Eh, what the hell do they know? I'm sure you could enlighten them with your infinite wisdom of this subject.

This must be what it was like for Helen Keller's teacher the first couple of weeks. Seriously, man...I can't dumb it down any further for you.

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And here is another dumb comment:

What are we talking about here? are we talking about Montana and ND or are we talking about Montana at San Fran? We are talking about college football so as far as college football is concerned yes he absolutely deserves to be mentioned with those names. He was if not the best, one of the best recievers in USC history. What he does in his pro career has no barring in this conversation.
"best receivers in USC history"

Have you any idea of how dumb that sounds? Well, lessee...there's Keyshawn and then there's Mike Williams. That's two.

You're the historian...what is the nickname that was given to USC many years ago? I'll give you a hint...it's not "WRU".

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And how exactly can you "chuckle" at Notre Dame USC being a great rivalry game? That game has 10 times the history that UT vs. OU does. Here is a fact i bet you didn't know. Nike became what it is today because of the USC Notre Dame rivalry. The first Nike shoe was worn and promoted at this game.
Yes, I'm sure Phil Knight is up in Oregon thanking the heavens for the USC/ND rivalry. You can't be this brain dead.

And FWIW, I wasn't chuckling at the USC/ND rivalry. I was laughing at the names you provided (Keyshawn being one of them). Being the great historian that you are, I would've expected much more with such a laundry list of names to choose from.

I do recognize USC/ND as a great rivalry. But is it just the individual greatness of each school that makes it a great rivalry? Because seriously, other than each school having great histories, what makes their rivalry unique?

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If ya come at me with some facts then I will listen to your arguement but if ya come at me again with " But I had to chuckle when you said USC/ND" or "Keyshawn Johnson!? Are you effin' kidding me!? " then im just gonna blast ya again.
Blast me again? I'm still waiting for the first shot.

The article above says Texas/OU ranks at the top of the rivalry chart. I disagree with that because I don't believe Texas/OU is the best rivalry in the nation (I'm in the military so I go with the Army/Navy game...'course, Nike shoes never really mattered to those guys). If it's in the top 3 is a simple matter of an opinion.

But I've presented you with the facts on what makes the Texas/OU rivalry unique (and one of the best in the nation and certainly bigger than OU/Nebraska). You were able to come up with Army/Navy and I commend you for that (and like I said, I consider Army/Navy to be the better rivalry as well). You can continue to ignore these if you want, but they won't change.
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Ah my friend. Now you see that is what I am talking about. You presented facts, you gave me links to sites to prove your point, and hell ya even downgraded my intelligence a few times. My hat goes off to you for that last post, however you knew I wasn't going to just sit back and get the last word. So here we go.

First of all I would like to know exactly how I am an outsider? I was born and raised in Texas, have several great friends that go to the University of Texas. I have been to the Red River Shootout on the Texas side. So as far as an outsider, I dont what you are talking about. I go to Louisiana State but you havent heard me throw their name in the hat. I would also like to know where you got.

"As an LSU fan it's not surprising you weren't impressed. What interest would you have in it? I'm pretty sure if I went to the World's Largest Cocktail Party I wouldn't think much of it either." Why exactly do i care about the worlds largest OUTDOOR coctail party? Do you know who plays in that. Ill give ya a hint, it's not LSU.

Here is another point. This whole argument started between us because you agreed with theOGRE who said that the UT vs. OU game is one of the top 3 rivalries in the nation. My question for you is this, how can this be one of the top three rivalries in the nation when it isnt even the best rivalry for that team. I was looking up some facts to throw at you on the internet, such as opinions Americas view of the greatest rivalries in college football, and you know what consitently came up? UT vs. A&M. Over and Over again. you know what I didnt see. Not even one time. OU vs Texas. Here is a quote since you are so fond of them.

Quote: "I haven't seen anything overshadow it. Both schools have tremendous numbers of alumni within the state who get very excited about this game. The loser has to take a beating all year." --Former Texas coach Darrell Royal.
and here is the link for it.

Here is one of the top 10's I found
Here is another link for rivalries. Hey I see so well, would you tell me what #6 is?
Here is one that I stumbeled across by accident

Let me give you some quotes from that:
Most college football observers--people who have been around the sport for much, if not most, of the 20th century--would probably say that the 1971 Thanksgiving Day classic, won 35-31 by Nebraska in Norman in a battle of #1 versus #2, ranks as the greatest college football game ever played. For nearly two decades after that game, the two teams almost always met with the Big Eight's Orange Bowl bid and a shot at the national title on the line. Tom Osborne and Barry Switzer were sideline fixtures in big games, the same way Bobby Bowden and Steve Spurrier are today.

And maybe just one more:
Nebraska-Oklahoma was always the game where larger than life linemen smacked each other in the mouth in the wide-open farm country where men become men long before they trot onto a football field. If the late, great voice of NFL Films, John Facenda, had ever chosen to narrate scenes from one of college football's great rivalries, chances are that he would have chosen Ohio State-Michigan... or Nebraska-Oklahoma.
So anyway off the topic of Nu vs. OU I would like to adress something else you said. I believe it went something like

"best receivers in USC history"

"Have you any idea of how dumb that sounds? Well, lessee...there's Keyshawn and then there's Mike Williams. That's two."


Well here is another link to show you "how dumb I sound saying that"
This is a link to the top 20 schools that produced the best wide recievers since 1970
I believe you will see that USC ranks number 4 on that list ahead of Ut or OU or about 110 other teams. Please do check that out so you can see some of the other "no names" they have produced. No Names like Lynn Swann and Keary Colbert.
Oh also GREAT Herbstreit quote. I really value his opinion especially since he said WISCONSIN had the greatest student section in all of college football.
That guy will kiss the *** of absolutely any school he goes to.
And lets think about this for a second. Switzer is being interviewed by a reporter about the game between OU and UT. Ya I defiantely see him saying, you know what that one is good but let me tell you about the one I had against Nebraska. Of course he is going to say how great that game is. And you are right the Notre Dame rivalry with USC is a great one because of the history of the two programs. But that in itself makes that game great.

Well I am ending with this:
I realise how big the game is to Texas fans because A&M hasnt given them a good game since the bondfire fell so they say OU is their biggest game of the year, and right now it is, but I GUARENTEE you if A&M repeatedly beat UT year in and year out the way UT has for the past decade, the biggest rivalry for UT would be A&M. You know why? Because that game has character. It is the game that decides who is the best team in Texas. I am tired of hearing UT fans say how they dont care about the game in college station but the one they are really worried about is at the Cotton Bowl. In college football every team no matter how good they are hits dry spells. The times will change in the years to come and you will see that A&M gets all of the recruits and UT is left 2nd in Texas. Just like it was in the 80's. When that happens we will see how big the UT OU game is. I am going to pack now because I am leaving in 6 hours to go watch our biggest rival in Athens but i will go ahead and say my top 3 greatest rivals of all time in college football, and believe it or not, OU vs. UT didn't make it. The list goes.
1) Michigan vs. Ohio State
2) Army vs. Navy
3) Harvard vs. Yale
Honerable mention.
Florida State vs. Miami
Georgia vs. Florida <-------(The worlds Largest Outdoor Coctail Party)
Nebraska vs. Oklahoma
Alabama vs. Auburn
UT vs. A&M

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Fred Gibson just burned Corey Webster for a 24 yd TD catch.



LMAO! The Tigers kick returner just downed the ball at the 1 yd line thinking he was still in the end zone for a touchback.
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We have a rout in progress. 38-10
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I think the Tigers have a good team, great coach but it's apparent they aren't in the chase for a national title this year. Remember they almost lost that one game against Oregon State and would have except for some flukey things happening.

They get their QB's some experience and they'll be fine. They certainly have the capacity for some heavy duty recruits wanting to come there and play for Saban.

Georgia just looked like they weren't going to be denied Saturday.
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