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Old 10-15-2006   #1
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Default What has Kubiak learned....

Well at this point he should have learned that his almighty offensive system is not so great that it can overcome a poor OL and RB's that are other teams throw aways. The arrogance he showed in not selecting Bush has come back to bite him in the ass. Don't get me wrong his system is a good one but it still takes players of which the Texans do not have enough. Flanagan got killed today, Pitts struggled and Wiegert is below average. Salam is a decent backup but not even an average tackle. If you look accross the NFL, offenses are about as good as their lines measure up. The Texans line is below average and so is the offensive production.
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Well at this point he should have learned that his almighty offensive system is not so great that it can overcome a poor OL and RB's that are other teams throw aways. The arrogance he showed in not selecting Bush has come back to bite him in the ass. Don't get me wrong his system is a good one but it still takes players of which the Texans do not have enough. Flanagan got killed today, Pitts struggled and Wiegert is below average. Salam is a decent backup but not even an average tackle. If you look accross the NFL, offenses are about as good as their lines measure up. The Texans line is below average and so is the offensive production.
I hoped he is learning that you cant plugg any RB in to a Offense that is not ready for that yet. We dont have the dominate line like the Broncos had for years.
AND I Hope he has learned that just because you draft a guy like Terrell Davis in the later rounds DOES NOT! mean that he has 6th rd talent, if you put Davis back in the draft HEALTHY he does not drop that far!

SIDE NOTE********** Mario did a good job today, he really looks like he is getting it more and more, I saw some smart plays from him today.
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Bush has shown nothing in N.O. as a RB. If not being hyped and the media not wanting to be wrong, he would be called a MAJOR bust other than his 3 yard catches and 4 yard runs.

THe O line is below average, but The Texans look better and I can only imagine how well we would be playing if a "Bruised" knee would not have sidelined DD all year (I mean, a BRUISED knee, not a BLOWN knee)?
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SIDE NOTE********** Mario did a good job today, he really looks like he is getting it more and more, I saw some smart plays from him today.
Mario did have a good game. He influenced plays frequently even if he didn't make the play. DeMeco is a beast as well.
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So you think throwing a $60M scat-back into the fire would have changed anything? We dont have the parts to build a great offense right now, so you imporve the things you can ie: passing game and defense. I think the defense has taken some good steps since the beginging of the season. 34 points dosnt refelct that, but they were put in bad situations time and time again. Give them an adequet offense and some luck and they will start refelcting it on the scoreboard. The one big complaint I have about them is the complete lack of turnovers, but a lot of that is luck.
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We need some free agent moves, something......anything on that o-line would make me happy....In my opinion kubiak is doing everything he can to polish this turd of an offensive line with play calling, but it's just not going to be enough I'm afraid...We need more talent in this running game FAST or we won't win 3 games.
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Bush has shown nothing in N.O. as a RB. If not being hyped and the media not wanting to be wrong, he would be called a MAJOR bust other than his 3 yard catches and 4 yard runs.

THe O line is below average, but The Texans look better and I can only imagine how well we would be playing if a "Bruised" knee would not have sidelined DD all year (I mean, a BRUISED knee, not a BLOWN knee)?
You're not going to deny Bush would be upgrade over Dane...would you?

I liked Davis but he has been injury prone since his rookie season. He missed and game or more every season. The failure was not having a better plan B for a Davis injury.
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You're not going to deny Bush would be upgrade over Dane...would you?
Well it is hard to tell at this point. So far he has done jack crap behind a better run blocking OL. We should have been talking to TN for Travis Henry or some other team for a decisive RB. Or we could have had Jerius Norwood--yes that is hind sight but it is what it is. If you are going to play the Bush card then I'd say Mario and Norwood is a better combo than Bush and Winston.
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So you think throwing a $60M scat-back into the fire would have changed anything? We dont have the parts to build a great offense right now, so you imporve the things you can ie: passing game and defense. I think the defense has taken some good steps since the beginging of the season. 34 points dosnt refelct that, but they were put in bad situations time and time again. Give them an adequet offense and some luck and they will start refelcting it on the scoreboard. The one big complaint I have about them is the complete lack of turnovers, but a lot of that is luck.
Bush is not a scat-back. All I will say is Bush would have had a better effect on our offense than Mario has had on our defense. I'm ok with the Marion selection because I think it will be the better long term decision. But the day of the draft Kubiak said very arrogantly "now it's up to me to score enough points to win". Ok! Then it's on you! Learn from it.
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He's learned that he worked on defense last draft and offense is next year's focus. I'm still good with the picks this year.
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Bush is not a scat-back.
So far you are right--he isn't a RB at all.

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All I will say is Bush would have had a better effect on our offense than Mario has had on our defense.
Sadly his poor 3 ypc might have been a tremendous improvement on our pathetic running game--actually not but hey to give you one. By the way--no one on our team is averaging as little per reception as Bush no matter how many passes are thrown his way.
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Mario did have a good game. He influenced plays frequently even if he didn't make the play. DeMeco is a beast as well.
Maybe no sacks and still making his share of rookie mistakes, but Mario was very active today and I think with the Miami game and today he's now starting to show some real progress in his rookie year. And DeMeco is very impressive again.
Arguably the greatest running back to come out of Texas, Earl Campbell, would have been ineffective behind this Oline against this Defense today.
And Reggie Bush, give me a break. I'm now convinced that there's atleast 3 or 4 rookie running backs in the NFL this year who are better than Bush and would help us more than Reggie Boy.
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Its a long way to the top and it may be time for a QB change...Players that can't hold onto the football don't play?

We have played 5 games and Carr can get to 500 only by winning 3 games in a roll...This year should be about finding the right QB TO LEAD THIS TEAM and its getting close to finding out if Rosenfield can do any better..

The offense seam to have a good base but we just need high energy talent.The defense really don't look as far away as it did before..

What do you guys think if working a deal on T.O and drafting Peterson..As long as you understand T.O,respect him when he seize he is injured and give him his due because of what he does on the field he can be a real difference maker...Him and Adrain Peterson would be a major boost for this team....Trade Mounds for him?and a 3rd!T.O was called out in the media for missing a meeting and it has got the wheel churning.Keep an eye on things because Parcells won't give in even if he was in the wrong.He thinks he has better talent behind T.O and thats the whole problem.They may even take Carr but thats GM stuff to work out and i'm sure ours will keep workong to reduce our cap and upgrading talent.

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So far you are right--he isn't a RB at all.



Sadly his poor 3 ypc might have been a tremendous improvement on our pathetic running game--actually not but hey to give you one. By the way--no one on our team is averaging as little per reception as Bush no matter how many passes are thrown his way.
Hard to imagine why Bush was even drafted?
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Wait--let me look outside--yup big wet snowflakes--must mean Carr was the biggest problem today and the solution for the team is TO plus Sage. Holy Madre de Jesus folks have lost their minds.
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Its a long way to the top and it may be time for a QB change...Players that can't hold onto the football don't play?
David Carr was not the problem today.
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Hard to imagine why Bush was even drafted?
Nice response--make a case for how he would be improving the Texans right now. He has shown dick in NO on a much better team so how would he have improved Houston with his 3 runs inside the tackles and tons of receptions which would have had to have come from longer ones taken by AJ and Moulds?
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What do you guys think if working a deal on T.O!
I can't even respond to that?
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So you think throwing a $60M scat-back into the fire would have changed anything? We dont have the parts to build a great offense right now, so you imporve the things you can ie: passing game and defense.
We are still in the first half of the season, of Kubiaks first season as our head coach. We knew we had problems, OL being one of them. We gave Kubiak the benefit of the doubt, when he didn't make drastic personnell changes on the OL.

I hate to say this, but we need to give him a little more time, before we settle on doing what we"can do well"....

After watching the Miami game a few times, I could see plays, were only one person playing better, would have drastically changed our rushing production. It wasn't always the same guy. Sometimes it was the RG, sometimes the TE, sometimes the RB.

But they all looked correctable, and I honestly thought we were close to blowing up our rushing attack. I need to go back & watch the Dallas game, to see if we are making the same mistakes, if we were being overpowered by more talented players, or just stronger meaner players.

but..... one thing I know for sure, these guys would not get another day off for the rest of the season...... not even tuesdays...... Especially not the OLine.
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I don't know what he's learned.

Over the bye week the coaches said they were going to make changes. What did we change? Did any of the starter jobs switch hands? The play calling? Any schemes?


The coaches might need to look at what they are doing. There is room for improvement there. They need to evaluate if what consitutes value in a player in their minds actually translates well onto the field.
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