Seth Wand

[Cruuuuuuuz]

I mean...he wasnt THAT bad...and he was one of the last training camp cuts....
Saalam is fighting injury and we got O-Line rookie guys collapsing on the sideline during the game....
we gonna bring him back or what?

[phan1]

I really don't know why we don't want him back right now. Is it a money issue? The coaches must really not be high on this guy and it maybe has something to do with the staff just not liking him as a player. Lots of speculation, but who the heck knows? It seems like there's always been lots of behind-the-scenes stuff with this guy. Salaam didn't get a single start all through minicamp and now he's a clear cut #2 guy over Wand. Who knows what's going on with him...

[JohnGalt]

This one has been beat to death on other threads.

In short, there is nothing wrong with Wand, we could really use him.

Kubiak is just making himself look like an arrogent and stubborn a** on this one.

[texflex513]

Originally Posted by JohnGalt

This one has been beat to death on other threads.

In short, there is nothing wrong with Wand, we could really use him.

Kubiak is just making himself look like an arrogent and stubborn a** on this one.

I had read somewhere that kub and sherman were in disagreement about wand. Wouldnt say it was a pissing contest but I sure would breath easier with seth back as a texan.

[Texans Horror]

The only "tackle" transactions I'm seeing are coming out of Houston. Detroit did take a St. Louis tackle, but that is as much a surprise as Kubiak scrounging for released Denver players. So IMHO, it does not seem so much that Seth Wand hasn't been picked up as it does that linemen aren't being picked up in general. If only he had played for Denver instead of Houston, he'd probably have a job as our starting left tackle...

[gtexan02]

My opinion is that a bridge was burned. Seth probably thought he was going to be a starter this season, and was unpleasantly surprised when he was cut. I'm guessing there was some exchanges in a non-positive fashion, and that Wand will not come back, nor will the team invite him back.

Talent doesn't indicate everything. If a player won't fit with the team, he shouldn't be there. Seth may have done and said some things that the coaches cannot tolerate

[Texans Horror]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

My opinion is that a bridge was burned. Seth probably thought he was going to be a starter this season, and was unpleasantly surprised when he was cut. I'm guessing there was some exchanges in a non-positive fashion, and that Wand will not come back, nor will the team invite him back.

Talent doesn't indicate everything. If a player won't fit with the team, he shouldn't be there. Seth may have done and said some things that the coaches cannot tolerate

That's where the story takes a sordid turn. From everything I've heard, the players want him back. He seemed to fit with the team, but he did not fit into Kube's system for two reasons:

1. He was not drafted by Kubiak.

2. He was not a Denver Bronco.

Ability to play has nothing to do with it. Like last year, the LT seems to be caught in a political battle. I only hope coach K will come to his senses before the bye-week is up.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by Barkley

If he could play, someone else would have picked him up

That's not necessarily true at this point in the season. If he could play then someone who needed help at LT might bring him in due to injury but how many starting LT's have gone down this year?

Most teams who lose a starting LT will elevate the backup becuase he knows the offense and was in camp with them. Wand going anywhere else would be stepping into a new offense so he'd be signed as depth. You can't put him on a practice squad to stash him until the end of the year. If you sign him he's got to be one of your 53.

I undertstand that the Chiefs would have signed him but since he wasn't in camp with them he wouldn't be able to help them anytime soon and someone who can't help you is just a dead spot on your roster during the season.

[JohnGalt]

Originally Posted by gtexan02

My opinion is that a bridge was burned. Seth probably thought he was going to be a starter this season, and was unpleasantly surprised when he was cut. I'm guessing there was some exchanges in a non-positive fashion, and that Wand will not come back, nor will the team invite him back.

Talent doesn't indicate everything. If a player won't fit with the team, he shouldn't be there. Seth may have done and said some things that the coaches cannot tolerate

I don't think anyone is picking up tackles for the same reason you don't see many QB pickups at this point. OL and QB are very system dependant positions and it takes a while to feel comfortable. I think that is why Kubiak is looking at Denver cast aways. Wand's experience is mostly zone blocking, which relatively rare in the NFL.

In Wand's shoes, I would have ripped into Kubiak and the organization when I was cut. But in Wand's case, I don't know if anything like that happened. The biggest knock on Wand is basically, he's too nice and not aggressive enough to be a good LT. That doesn't sound like a guy that would say the things that he deserved to say.

[Porky]

Here are some quotes from Kubiak about Seth Wand:

During camp -
"If we went out and were trying to mold a left tackle in the draft, what we're looking for is a young man with that type of size and length that can run. He (Wand) would be a guy we would chisel out."

After he cut Wand:
"Like I told him, if something doesn't work out for him, he's a guy you welcome back in a heartbeat and love to go back to work with and take another offseason to teach him what you do and get stronger. He's a great kid. We just felt like the best thing to do for our team right now is use Ephraim as our swing guy."

Link

Anyone else see the inconsistency between what he says and what he does?

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Porky

Here are some quotes from Kubiak about Seth Wand:

During camp -
"If we went out and were trying to mold a left tackle in the draft, what we're looking for is a young man with that type of size and length that can run. He (Wand) would be a guy we would chisel out."

After he cut Wand:
"Like I told him, if something doesn't work out for him, he's a guy you welcome back in a heartbeat and love to go back to work with and take another offseason to teach him what you do and get stronger. He's a great kid. We just felt like the best thing to do for our team right now is use Ephraim as our swing guy."

Link

Anyone else see the inconsistency between what he says and what he does?

Mmm, yes and no. In the first statement he says he has the ideal build and speed, but in the second he says that he isn't ready and would need another offseason of teaching and (probably the most telling thing) strength training. My guess, Seth has the right build and stuff, but just isn't strong enough nor aggressive enough. If he doesn't come back during the season, I wouldn't be to surprised to see him back in the next camp.

[Hervoyel]

It's hard to miss it Porky, that was a good observation. How many other things are happening right now where we're getting one story but the reality is very different.

When I see someone just flat out lie like this I begin to question other things they're saying. That's just my perspective on this but I just feel like this is stupid and unnecessary. The Texans didn't have to play it this way.

[nunusguy]

Maybe Seth has just about had a gut full of the Texans. Lets face it, he's got
some very unpleasant memories here, to say the least.
Many on this Board have portrayed Wand personally as some kind of mental retard because of stories, innuendo whatever that have been spread about him. The truth is he did have some kind of learning disorder, but so did Richard Branson, the billionaire owner of Virgin Airlines.
Actually, Wand has a baccalaureate degree with a major in MIS.Maybe at this stage of his life he'd rather develope computer software than play football, even though there's a large diiference in the incomes of the 2.

[texflex513]

Originally Posted by Porky

Here are some quotes from Kubiak about Seth Wand:

During camp -
"If we went out and were trying to mold a left tackle in the draft, what we're looking for is a young man with that type of size and length that can run. He (Wand) would be a guy we would chisel out."

After he cut Wand:
"Like I told him, if something doesn't work out for him, he's a guy you welcome back in a heartbeat and love to go back to work with and take another offseason to teach him what you do and get stronger. He's a great kid. We just felt like the best thing to do for our team right now is use Ephraim as our swing guy."

Link

Anyone else see the inconsistency between what he says and what he does?

Kubiak basicly stated wand had the physical skills to be the type of player we needed but maybe its moreof the mental part that wand is not getting. I take wand didnt pan out this year and he would give him a chance come next season to try and mold him out.

[jerek]

Originally Posted by Porky

Here are some quotes from Kubiak about Seth Wand:

During camp -
"If we went out and were trying to mold a left tackle in the draft, what we're looking for is a young man with that type of size and length that can run. He (Wand) would be a guy we would chisel out."

After he cut Wand:
"Like I told him, if something doesn't work out for him, he's a guy you welcome back in a heartbeat and love to go back to work with and take another offseason to teach him what you do and get stronger. He's a great kid. We just felt like the best thing to do for our team right now is use Ephraim as our swing guy."

Link

Anyone else see the inconsistency between what he says and what he does?

He's a coach; I think he's allowed to reevaulate his position. Whether or not he made the right decision is a different question, but changing his mind is something he's allowed to do.

[Hervoyel]

Originally Posted by jerek

He's a coach; I think he's allowed to reevaulate his position. Whether or not he made the right decision is a different question, but changing his mind is something he's allowed to do.

And I'm very interested in seeing whether or not he does this. I just see it like bringing back Seth Wand is a no-brainer. Taking everything that was said into account there's no reason for the Texans to be fielding any less of a LT than Wand. That's assuming that what was said was true.

If it was then great, we have another option at LT. If it wasn't then I'd be happier if Kubiak would shoot a little straighter with the public than that.

[Crazyhorse]

Sounds like the politically correct statement to make so that no one has a bruised ego. Bottom line if Wand was that good he would be on the roster.
Remember even Caper's and those coaches couldn't make it work with Wand so there must be something we are all missing when it comes to his ability.

[jerek]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

And I'm very interested in seeing whether or not he does this. I just see it like bringing back Seth Wand is a no-brainer. Taking everything that was said into account there's no reason for the Texans to be fielding any less of a LT than Wand. That's assuming that what was said was true.

If it was then great, we have another option at LT. If it wasn't then I'd be happier if Kubiak would shoot a little straighter with the public than that.

I would think now would be a great time to bring him in as well. Esp. if Sherman was "so high" on the guy in the first place, it's hard to imagine Kubiak insisting that we go with Bidell here.

At this point I'd be inclined to agree with you as well; bringing Seth back on seems an easy decision. Whether or not they do so or Seth is on board with it or not, I guess we won't know, unless his name goes back up on our roster.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by Hervoyel

When I see someone just flat out lie like this I begin to question other things they're saying. That's just my perspective on this but I just feel like this is stupid and unnecessary. The Texans didn't have to play it this way.

I think the players notice this stuff too. They expected Wand back the day after Spencer broke his leg. It will be too bad if distrust becomes an issue, because the players trusted and believed in Kubiak from his first meeting. I think Kubiak is using up quite a bit of his goodwill capital with his players.

For instance, remember when they took Pitts out for a series and broke his "played every down for the Texans" streak? Kubiak said that he did it for some sort of rotational reason - a football reason. The problem is, that wasn't true. He hasn't had to make that same rotation since.

Pitts was proud of that streak, and he was taken out for that series for no other reason than to break it. The intended message - you aren't special. The other message - you can't trust the coaches.

[jerek]

Originally Posted by Runner

I think the players notice this stuff too. They expected Wand back the day after Spencer broke his leg. It will be too bad if distrust becomes an issue, because the players trusted and believed in Kubiak from his first meeting. I think Kubiak is using up quite a bit of his goodwill capital with his players.

For instance, remember when they took Pitts out for a series and broke his "played every down for the Texans" streak? Kubiak said that he did it for some sort of rotational reason - a football reason. The probelm was, that wasn't true. He hasn't had to make that same rotation since.

Pitts was proud of that streak, and he was taken out for that series for no other reason than to break it. The intended message - you aren't special. The other message - you can't trust the coaches.

Have you heard anything as to whether or not Wand has been contacted about coming back?

Interesting observation about Pitts. I tend to trust your takes but in this case I'm not sure I would draw that same conclusion, at least not from the info you've provided. Kubiak has tried out a number of rotations and it may be he either didn't know about Pitts' streak (not likely) or just didn't really care. I've played for coaches who were all about assimilation and being one and would come down hard just to prove that "you're not special" and all of that kind of thing, and IMO it produces mixed results. To a certain extent it has to be part of any team game, but I'm not sure what I'd think if Kubiak purely and simply did pull Pitts to break his streak. I can see reasons for and against it.