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**PapaL** · 10-01-2006

I think its pretty obvious that we have a major issue on offense and its our RB play. They have all run the ball horrible. They did step up and have some good blocks on passing plays, but running the ball has been BAD.

Rushing stats this week: 33 rushes for 65 yards 2.0 avg.
Previous 3 weeks: 61 rushes for 239 yards 3.9 avg.

On the season: 94 rushes 304 yards 3.23 avg

**mancunian** · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by LCROD

I think its pretty obvious that we have a major issue on offense and its our RB play. They have all run the ball horrible. They did step up and have some good blocks on passing plays, but running the ball has been BAD.

sure has, but why has it been so chronic. Is it the scheme or is it the players are just not good enough. Lets hope DD is back to full fitness next year or we could be drafting a RB in April

Grid · 10-01-2006

it hasnt been horrible. They did get stuffed alot though.

Honestly.. we won the game.. if we get 50 rushing yards the rest of the season and win games.. im not going to complain.

**PapaL** · 10-01-2006

We're not going to be winning very man more games if we can't run the ball. If it wasnt for Carr and the WideOuts, we'd be 0-4. For a running team, we don't scare anyone. Best believe teams will start scheming against our passing game.

LBC_Justin · 10-01-2006

For the next 48 hours, I plan on being happy and enjoying the victory. Personally I don't know when the next one will come, so I am going to savor this moment before I stant knocking the team down.

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Texas · 10-01-2006

We will get our run game going eventually...We just dont have any players that pickup long runs...its more short definite runs.

threetoedpete · 10-01-2006

Gold stars for sherman and the make shift o-line. Wasn't perfect. But it was good enough. Nice job.

Snapple · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by threetoedpete

Gold stars for sherman and the make shift o-line. Wasn't perfect. But it was good enough. Nice job.

It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.

texflex513 · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro

I think they will work on it during the bye week, and I think it is more a factor of their run-blocking then the RB's.

Agreed our backs are fine its the blocking that has to improve.

**Runner** · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by Snapple

It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.

The play of the inside of our line is weak, and we have a major problem at left tackle. Carr got a lot of pressure from the left, and that is on top of the sacks and the hits as he threw.

afcman · 10-01-2006

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I think it is more a factor of their run-blocking then the RB's.

Ditto. (And Legend is a great movie!)

Scooter · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by Snapple

It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.

i completely agree, our blocking is as bad as it's ever been. the difference this year is coaching. count the number of tackles that ron dayne breaks on every play, and the number of times carr is hit as he's throwing. those two guys are playing as hard as anybody in football and being successful. kubiak's getting every ounce he can from that line and it's a hair's breathe from being disastrous. congrats to the offense for gutting it out all day and getting the win, but it's obvious that our biggest (probably ONLY) problem on offense is still that line. i look forward to next season when we get spencer back, flanagan with a year here under his belt, and some replacements for that right side.

phan1 · 10-01-2006

I'm officially wrong about Dayne and am gald he's a Texan. Right now, he is really the only guy on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme. He's not great of probably even good. But he knows where to run, wheras our other RBs don't.

But our running game has to get better overall. That Oline just isn't getting it done.

sleepwalker · 10-01-2006

Carr's playfake touchdown score was AWSOME !!! I stood up and screamed *OWNED!!!!*

A big reason that play worked was because of the threat of the run...We didnt run the ball terribly well, but it was enough to get the job done...I like the way Dayne runs over people and he's a pretty good blocker...Losing DD this season really hurt this offence, but they have done a good job filling his shoes with some power runners who can block and catch.

ericdoesntcare · 10-01-2006

No blocking and Slow running backs... that is 2 huge problems.

**Runner** · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by phan1

I'm officially wrong about Dayne and am gald he's a Texan. Right now, he is really the only guy on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme. He's not great of probably even good. But he knows where to run, wheras our other RBs don't.

I might say "he is really the only guy left on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme".

I am still not convinced we made a lot of good moves with our running backs after training camp.

**Texans_Chick** · 10-01-2006

I am wondering some about the hybrid Denver style zone block mixed with the Green Bay Power I stuff.

Part of the effectiveness Denver blocking is that the running from that is supposed to set up the pass because the blocking always looks the same.

Hmmm.

I do not like our options at left tackle. I do not like Eric Winston not being activated when it is Salaam and Bedell. Just from what I saw at the game, and not watching the TV stuff, the left side looks non-good.

I liked Seth Wand more in the preseason, you know, back when they could run the ball.

YRMV

Scooter · 10-01-2006

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Originally Posted by Texans_Chick

I liked Seth Wand more in the preseason, you know, back when they could run the ball.

seth wand (to me atleast) looked like he picked up the ZBS that kubiak runs quicker than any other linemen. we ran the ball more effectively to the left side during preseason when he was in the game than we did with spencer. he's also a lot quicker than our other options and can pick off linebackers effectively. he'd be a major upgrade over salaam, and bedell is lucky to be on a team at all.

GP · 10-01-2006

If Dayne gets past the line of scrimmage, he's a force.

I noticed this today. If he gets to, or past, the line of scrimmage...and without getting his feet tangled up with blockers or d linemen...he is good for about 5 yards every time. The momentum he builds is amazing.

So while it is frustrating to sometimes see him take a nosedive for one-yard gains, you gotta' think about the times he gets free of the line of scrimmage and has flat out carried defenders or bulldozed them for extra yards.

DD would pick his way around and get all "choppy" for the extra yards, but Dayne is a different creature.

And Gado is nowhere to be seen. Gonna' take awhile to get used to the playbook, or an injury to Dayne, for him to sniff carries IMO.

blockhead83 · 10-01-2006

We need to find a better RB this next off-season for sure, but our run blocking has been pretty shiesty as well. It's going to take a while for this group to gel and really pick up this zone blocking scheme. The sooner the better. I think we'll have a decent running game in place by the end of the year.

10-01-2006	#1
PapaL Loose Screw Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 8,650 Rep Power: 17130	RB Problems.... I think its pretty obvious that we have a major issue on offense and its our RB play. They have all run the ball horrible. They did step up and have some good blocks on passing plays, but running the ball has been BAD. Rushing stats this week: 33 rushes for 65 yards 2.0 avg. Previous 3 weeks: 61 rushes for 239 yards 3.9 avg. On the season: 94 rushes 304 yards 3.23 avg __________________ Tried and true, I'm rep'in Texan (Steel) Blue. Last edited by PapaL; 10-01-2006 at 03:10 PM.

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Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	Re: RB Problems.... it hasnt been horrible. They did get stuffed alot though. Honestly.. we won the game.. if we get 50 rushing yards the rest of the season and win games.. im not going to complain.

10-01-2006	#4
PapaL Loose Screw Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 8,650 Rep Power: 17130	Re: RB Problems.... We're not going to be winning very man more games if we can't run the ball. If it wasnt for Carr and the WideOuts, we'd be 0-4. For a running team, we don't scare anyone. Best believe teams will start scheming against our passing game. __________________ Tried and true, I'm rep'in Texan (Steel) Blue.

10-01-2006	#5
LBC_Justin All Pro Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Long Beach, Ca Age: 38 Posts: 805 Rep Power: 10	Re: RB Problems.... For the next 48 hours, I plan on being happy and enjoying the victory. Personally I don't know when the next one will come, so I am going to savor this moment before I stant knocking the team down. VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10-01-2006	#6
Texas Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 24 Posts: 1,030 Rep Power: 9	Re: RB Problems.... We will get our run game going eventually...We just dont have any players that pickup long runs...its more short definite runs. __________________ Coming straight out the Barrio here comes Mario!

10-01-2006	#7
threetoedpete Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Age: 57 Posts: 6,644 Rep Power: 141	Re: RB Problems.... Gold stars for sherman and the make shift o-line. Wasn't perfect. But it was good enough. Nice job.

10-01-2006	#13
phan1 All Pro Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 650 Rep Power: 9	Re: RB Problems.... I'm officially wrong about Dayne and am gald he's a Texan. Right now, he is really the only guy on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme. He's not great of probably even good. But he knows where to run, wheras our other RBs don't. But our running game has to get better overall. That Oline just isn't getting it done.

10-01-2006	#14
sleepwalker Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 40 Posts: 167 Rep Power: 7	Re: RB Problems.... Carr's playfake touchdown score was AWSOME !!! I stood up and screamed OWNED!!!! A big reason that play worked was because of the threat of the run...We didnt run the ball terribly well, but it was enough to get the job done...I like the way Dayne runs over people and he's a pretty good blocker...Losing DD this season really hurt this offence, but they have done a good job filling his shoes with some power runners who can block and catch.

10-01-2006	#15
ericdoesntcare Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Re: RB Problems.... No blocking and Slow running backs... that is 2 huge problems.

10-01-2006	#17
Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 6,979 Rep Power: 24189	Re: RB Problems.... I am wondering some about the hybrid Denver style zone block mixed with the Green Bay Power I stuff. Part of the effectiveness Denver blocking is that the running from that is supposed to set up the pass because the blocking always looks the same. Hmmm. I do not like our options at left tackle. I do not like Eric Winston not being activated when it is Salaam and Bedell. Just from what I saw at the game, and not watching the TV stuff, the left side looks non-good. I liked Seth Wand more in the preseason, you know, back when they could run the ball. YRMV __________________ More on the Texans? Please check TexansChick Hou Chronicle Blog & AOL Sports-Texans FanHouse & Twitter @StephStradley

10-01-2006	#19
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: RB Problems.... If Dayne gets past the line of scrimmage, he's a force. I noticed this today. If he gets to, or past, the line of scrimmage...and without getting his feet tangled up with blockers or d linemen...he is good for about 5 yards every time. The momentum he builds is amazing. So while it is frustrating to sometimes see him take a nosedive for one-yard gains, you gotta' think about the times he gets free of the line of scrimmage and has flat out carried defenders or bulldozed them for extra yards. DD would pick his way around and get all "choppy" for the extra yards, but Dayne is a different creature. And Gado is nowhere to be seen. Gonna' take awhile to get used to the playbook, or an injury to Dayne, for him to sniff carries IMO. __________________

10-01-2006	#20
blockhead83 All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: College Station, Texas Age: 29 Posts: 715 Rep Power: 10	Re: RB Problems.... We need to find a better RB this next off-season for sure, but our run blocking has been pretty shiesty as well. It's going to take a while for this group to gel and really pick up this zone blocking scheme. The sooner the better. I think we'll have a decent running game in place by the end of the year.

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