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Old 09-28-2006   #1
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I have to admit it is nice to be somewhere with die-hard fans whether they are all realistic or not Needless to say not very many people here in California even have the Texans on their radar except for the game against the Raiders (for which I will be there and also guarantee a Texan win). But I also think we need to be a little more realistic in our expectations of the team. Being a fan means realizing that we need to be in this for the long haulÖ

1. This team finished 2-14 last year. One pick and a new head coach was not going to put the team in the playoffs. Four to five wins may seem like a failure on paper, but that would be double to more than double of what the team had before.

2. There have been upgrades that are moving the team in the right direction. Improvements to the offensive line have already cut the sack total in half and a focus on improving the defense is going to equal a lot of wins in the future.

3. Injuries to Spencer and Mathis did not do us any favors, but they will be back.

4. There is a always a transition from one coach to the next. The new coach has to get the right players to run his scheme. Donít judge him too harshly this season.

5. The team is not that far away when it comes to the offensive line. One good draft pick, perhaps a free agent or two, and the continued development in the young guys and maybe, just maybe the line could be considered pretty good sooner or later.

6. The team is not that far away on offense. Defense needs to be the focus in the next couple of years.

7. Mario Williams, talent and all, is still a rookie. If he is creating double teams then he is doing a great job at this stage of his development. Having said that...

8. Not drafting Reggie Bush was the right way to go. He has never been an every-down back, even dating back to his high school days. Exciting? Yes, but we need every down results. I would rather have Adrian Peterson who will be able to carry a full load. The goal here should be winning games, not selling jerseys. Besides, apparently Bush wanted an obscene amount of money to be a part-time pack. This team has too many holes to invest that kind of money (especially in a hard salary cap) in just one player.

The team will win, lets give it time to come together. In the meantime, letís enjoy the development of the players and keep rooting for the upsets.
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8. Not drafting Reggie Bush was the right way to go. He has never been an every-down back, even dating back to his high school days. Exciting? Yes, but we need every down results. I would rather have Adrian Peterson who will be able to carry a full load. The goal here should be winning games, not selling jerseys. Besides, apparently Bush wanted an obscene amount of money to be a part-time pack. This team has too many holes to invest that kind of money (especially in a hard salary cap) in just one player.
I can appreciate your opinion on not drafting Reggie Bush, but your claim that he's never been an every-down back is absurd. How can you be from CA watching him play and say that? He has all the physical tools in spades without question.

Reggie Bush is a tough mf-ing bad-ass. He'll go through the middle; he'll hit someone. He's getting more production as a decoy than any of our backs get directly.

I want Mario to be the right pick also, but the homer bias here is annoying. And, for now, it ain't looking good. And I'm talking about just simply watching Mario's physical assets disregarding stats; they're not that impressive.
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I can appreciate your opinion on not drafting Reggie Bush, but your claim that he's never been an every-down back is absurd. How can you be from CA watching him play and say that? He has all the physical tools in spades without question.

Reggie Bush is a tough mf-ing bad-ass. He'll go through the middle; he'll hit someone. He's getting more production as a decoy than any of our backs get directly.

I want Mario to be the right pick also, but the homer bias here is annoying. And, for now, it ain't looking good. And I'm talking about just simply watching Mario's physical assets disregarding stats; they're not that impressive.
Not only that...but he can play WR,PR, and KR also....and on top of that Mario hasn't been an every down DE at this point either....FWIW....but if Mario becomes what he's supposed to then we made the right pick, regardless of what Bush does...that honestly doesn't matter.....
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I can appreciate your opinion on not drafting Reggie Bush, but your claim that he's never been an every-down back is absurd. How can you be from CA watching him play and say that? He has all the physical tools in spades without question.

Reggie Bush is a tough mf-ing bad-ass. He'll go through the middle; he'll hit someone. He's getting more production as a decoy than any of our backs get directly.

I want Mario to be the right pick also, but the homer bias here is annoying. And, for now, it ain't looking good. And I'm talking about just simply watching Mario's physical assets disregarding stats; they're not that impressive.
Reggie, even as a decoy here, is not what this team needs and if he was an every down back he certainly would need to be on the field to do so. Our defense has a tendency to let 3rd and 17s become first downs on run plays.
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Not only that...but he can play WR,PR, and KR also....and on top of that Mario hasn't been an every down DE at this point either....FWIW....but if Mario becomes what he's supposed to then we made the right pick, regardless of what Bush does...that honestly doesn't matter.....
Can Bush play defense? Because that is the part of the team that is catastrophically the worst right now. The Texans can't prevent 3rd down conversions, they can't stop the run, they can't stop the pass, they are allowing over 100 yards on average more than the worst Texans teams in the past and the worst teams in the NFL.

Bad defenses are lacking players. Catastrophically awful defenses are lacking players and coaching.

With the failures of the Texans defense, people want to put it on the visible face of the team, the number 1 pick. But it ain't just one player. It's the whole defense, how they are working together (or not), and what schemes they are running when, and how they are doing substitutions, etc.

And please look at the list of the current top Dlinemen in the league and see how long they have been in it. And look at their rookie stats. Link Stats aren't everything, and clearly Williams has to play better, but let's just say I would feel a lot better if a more experienced defensive coordinator with a long track record of success was running this defense, but it ain't happening this year.

The Dolphins have a defense. The Texans do not until they show it. Not just Williams, the whole thing.
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He's getting more production as a decoy than any of our backs get directly.
So do you play football?

Yeah.

What position?

Decoy.

Does that pay well?

Well yeah actually way better than RB.

So do you have to dress up in a costume?

Well I guess--they put me in a football uniform.
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I have to admit it is nice to be somewhere with die-hard fans whether they are all realistic or not Needless to say not very many people here in California even have the Texans on their radar except for the game against the Raiders (for which I will be there and also guarantee a Texan win). But I also think we need to be a little more realistic in our expectations of the team. Being a fan means realizing that we need to be in this for the long haulÖ

1. This team finished 2-14 last year. One pick and a new head coach was not going to put the team in the playoffs. Four to five wins may seem like a failure on paper, but that would be double to more than double of what the team had before.

2. There have been upgrades that are moving the team in the right direction. Improvements to the offensive line have already cut the sack total in half and a focus on improving the defense is going to equal a lot of wins in the future.

3. Injuries to Spencer and Mathis did not do us any favors, but they will be back.

4. There is a always a transition from one coach to the next. The new coach has to get the right players to run his scheme. Donít judge him too harshly this season.

5. The team is not that far away when it comes to the offensive line. One good draft pick, perhaps a free agent or two, and the continued development in the young guys and maybe, just maybe the line could be considered pretty good sooner or later.

6. The team is not that far away on offense. Defense needs to be the focus in the next couple of years.

7. Mario Williams, talent and all, is still a rookie. If he is creating double teams then he is doing a great job at this stage of his development. Having said that...

8. Not drafting Reggie Bush was the right way to go. He has never been an every-down back, even dating back to his high school days. Exciting? Yes, but we need every down results. I would rather have Adrian Peterson who will be able to carry a full load. The goal here should be winning games, not selling jerseys. Besides, apparently Bush wanted an obscene amount of money to be a part-time pack. This team has too many holes to invest that kind of money (especially in a hard salary cap) in just one player.

The team will win, lets give it time to come together. In the meantime, letís enjoy the development of the players and keep rooting for the upsets.
I am going to be very conservative with what I say here, but the line is not as near to perfection as many think. Carr is improving, and his ability is making the line look good, but that does not equate to a well-oiled offensive line machine. When the Texans have a good running game, sustained drives, no sacks, no penalties, and the receivers have an excellent day, then I will concede that there has been a big improvement and they are moving in the right direction. As long as the Texans can't run and keep getting penalties and sacks, or short drives (time-wise), then I am going to believe they have a long way to go.
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So do you play football?

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Well yeah actually way better than RB.

So do you have to dress up in a costume?

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Can Bush play defense? Because that is the part of the team that is catastrophically the worst right now. The Texans can't prevent 3rd down conversions, they can't stop the run, they can't stop the pass, they are allowing over 100 yards on average more than the worst Texans teams in the past and the worst teams in the NFL.

Bad defenses are lacking players. Catastrophically awful defenses are lacking players and coaching.

With the failures of the Texans defense, people want to put it on the visible face of the team, the number 1 pick. But it ain't just one player. It's the whole defense, how they are working together (or not), and what schemes they are running when, and how they are doing substitutions, etc.

And please look at the list of the current top Dlinemen in the league and see how long they have been in it. And look at their rookie stats. Link Stats aren't everything, and clearly Williams has to play better, but let's just say I would feel a lot better if a more experienced defensive coordinator with a long track record of success was running this defense, but it ain't happening this year.

The Dolphins have a defense. The Texans do not until they show it. Not just Williams, the whole thing.

Thats true...It's not just on Williams....Just like in the past our offense wasn't just on Carr...but he is the face so he will get the criticism...thats just how it is...

And i never said we should have picked Bush...I never said we shouldn't have picked Bush....I said if Mario turns into what he is supposed to be then we made the right choice....regardless of what Bush does...That means that i recognize our defense sucks worse than our offense....and Bush wouldn't have helped us out there.....thats why I said "regardless of what Bush does"....meaning he could get 1,500 rushing yards and be R.O.Y, and that still wouldn't have helped our defense....I know this...i understand this...i've said it over and over...but here lies the problem...Mario first has to become what he is supposed to be...and I haven't given up on him...never even said he wouldn't be a beast...

I said I don't know...and currentl I haven't been given any positive signs that he will other than the old "look how big and strong he is" argument...athletic freak....yeah...yeah...at this point it's on our coaching staff to get this guy playing right...and it's on him to absorb and learn...How long will it take to happen...I don't know...Will it ever happen?? I sure hope so....
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I can appreciate your opinion on not drafting Reggie Bush, but your claim that he's never been an every-down back is absurd. How can you be from CA watching him play and say that? He has all the physical tools in spades without question.

Reggie Bush is a tough mf-ing bad-ass. He'll go through the middle; he'll hit someone. He's getting more production as a decoy than any of our backs get directly.

I want Mario to be the right pick also, but the homer bias here is annoying. And, for now, it ain't looking good. And I'm talking about just simply watching Mario's physical assets disregarding stats; they're not that impressive.
RIIIIIGHT, thats why USC used him as their every down back in the national championship game. If I was the saints I would put him on the field every play but not because he's a god, because the fans love him and buy tickets and beer. someday Bush will be another brian westbrook, is that worth 50 million?
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We need a decoy poster here. One that says crazy stuff so I'm free to look smarter because no one is paying attention.
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So do you play football?

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Decoy.

Does that pay well?

Well yeah actually way better than RB.

So do you have to dress up in a costume?

Well I guess--they put me in a football uniform.
LOL...you have to be respected to be a good decoy....
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RIIIIIGHT, thats why USC used him as their every down back in the national championship game. If I was the saints I would put him on the field every play but not because he's a god, because the fans love him and buy tickets and beer. someday Bush will be another brian westbrook, is that worth 50 million?
You know Mario doesn't play ever series either....
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well if you need mario to help make bush look better, I guess I win, thanks
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well if you need mario to help make bush look better, I guess I win, thanks
No...it's just that the old "he's not an everydown back" argument IMO, is played out....A lot of teams use two backs...and Mario hasn't been an everydown player either...nothing about the players just the case being made...
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and Mario hasn't been an everydown player either...
OK--let's not go too far. Mario has played every down but for normal line rotation just like you see Weaver, Payne, and TJ come out of the game. We aren't talking about him being used as a situational down guy like Peek coming in only for passing plays. No one on the Texans DL or 99% of DL's plays every down.

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every down back is a label, not literal, tell shaun alexander he's not an everydown back why don't you, cuz hey, he gets to rest on the bench several snaps a game too right?
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