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Old 09-24-2006   #1
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Not one single person should get the blame for the defense being last in the NFL in YPG. No, not even Richard Smith. Let me tell you guys why. You have to realize that last year this team was running a whole different philosophy, the 3-4 defense. This is the first year they are in the 4-3 defense. It will take time for the transition to the 4-3. Give it time, and keep supporting the TEXANS. Oh yea, and support The front office and the coaching staff.
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It's not like 4-3 is anything new to the NFL. Granted it will take a bit to get proficent, but the guys were playing like they've never seen it before. The safties have nothing to do with the 4-3 so what's thier excuse?
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Besides, the 4-3 is easier to play. Not much thinking is required as the 3-4 has. There is no excuse for this piss poor performance. A worthless, no good for nothing Redskins QB who is ugly in every way tore us apart. No, wait. He took advantage of our defense's stupidity.
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Besides, the 4-3 is easier to play. Not much thinking is required as the 3-4 has. There is no excuse for this piss poor performance. A worthless, no good for nothing Redskins QB who is ugly in every way tore us apart. No, wait. He took advantage of our defense's stupidity.
For the most part you are correct. The 4-3 is easier to play, and it should be an easier transition.

But we've got big problems on Defense.
#1) No veteran Leadership. Unless you consider Dunta Robinson a Veteran. He's calling the plays on defense, not the MiddleLinebacker(DemecoRyans) as is normal. the guy who can see most of the field generally calls the plays. Shouts out assignments, and changes before the snap.

Dunta is doing it from the CB position, and he can't see everything he needs to. Glenn Earl should be making these calls if not the MLB..... Since he is more a veteran than our Rookie MLB, and he has a better vantage point.

Dunta is trying to compensate for poor calls at the line, and isn't giving his man the attention he should...... so he gets burnt.

#2) Too many substitutions....... Richard Smith still haven't found who his DL should be. After every play, he's changing one, and some times (many times) 2 defensive linemen out of the game. This is bad, because every down is new. The DL men don't have the opportunity to get into a rhythm, and work on their opponent.

It would be nice, if RichardSmith was looking for mismatches along the line, then exploiting those mismatches. But so far, there looks to be no rhyme or reason to his substitions. There were several times, close to the end of the half, and in the 4th Qtr, where we are trying to get a stop, and he has Mario, TJ, & Weaver on the sideline.....

We need to find four starters. & Starters shouldn't mean that they get the first snaps. It should mean that they are on the field when it counts. We need a leader to direct/lead the attack. To change and call assignments on the DL. These four guys need to work together. Defensive Ends should be used to collapse a side(block a Tackle into a guard) so our Tackle can get into t he backfield. Or attack the gap betweent he Tackle and Guard, so our Tackle can attack the gap between the center and the guard.

Our Tackles need to collapse a side, block a guard into a tackle, so our DEs can get into the backfield. They need to attack the Tackle, so our DE can beat up the TE.


& they need to stop trying to stunt..... They simply don't have the speed.

#3)There is no cohesiveness on Defense. It looks like (looks like) the Dl is going after the QB on every down, exposing our linebackers to OL men on running plays. Our LBs got beat up(not just beat) against the redskins, because our DL are letting them through, thinking they have a clean shot at the QB, when they are releasing the OL to get second level blocks. Our DL then gets too far up field, or Isolated on a Doubleteam, and the RBs have big wholes to run through.

#4) No discipline. Nobody stays at home. I like for a defense to swarm around the ball, but our guys bite on every fake, and get burned on screens to the backsides, reverses, and play action passing. It's been three games, and we've been falling for it hard. There hasn't been but maybe 4 plays where we've been beat with the deep ball in the last three games. Most (damn near all) of the big plays have been screens(Philly & Washington) our underneath crossing routes (Indy).

#5) we are being outsmarted. All three teams have taken advantage of our young, inexperienced, aggresive defense. Every playeer has been exposed, dupped, and played. Formations, routes, blocking assignments......... play design...... I can't imagine what our coaches are preparing our boys for on Sunday, because we haven't addressed any of the things our opponents like to do, or will most likely do. The screenpass..... anybody not know that Westbrook is more likely to catch the ball out of the backfield than he is to run the ball?? How many times did we leave Westbrook uncovered coming out of the backfield?? Can you say every time??

Clinton Portis is more likely to attack the edges than run up the middle. How many times did we leave the strongside on run downs?? Our corner following the reciever right out of the play?? with safety help over the top?? Our linebackers looking at the middle of the line??

Anybody know Randle-El & Moss would be used on reverses??

We are getting beat thoroughly on Defense. But it isn't our DLine.. you can't get to and sack the QB when he's dumping it off on screens from the shotgun all day. If anyone believes we are not getting any pressure on the QB, time the release of the football. Brunnels got every ball off, within two seconds. many of them within 1 second. we aren't getting beat deep. we are getting beat on short passes that are turned into big gains.

It's not our safeties..... they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Yeah, I saw Dunta have his little kiniption fit.... before he touched the player down...... But that was his man...... DeMeco jumped the route, forcing the reciever outside...... Dunta should've stayed where he was, played over the top, and stop the pass to the inside. Even if Demeco was supposed to stay where he was (before jumping the route) Dunta was in the wrong position to make a play.

I'm not knocking Dunta, but I think he has too much responsibility right now. How can you direct a defense, when you're supposed to be chasing recievers all over the field?? you play most downs with your back to the field. MLB, or Safety should have that duty.

ON offense..... Let's just say we don't have any problems we haven't been working on for the last 4 years.....
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Not one single person should get the blame for the defense being last in the NFL in YPG. No, not even Richard Smith. Let me tell you guys why. You have to realize that last year this team was running a whole different philosophy, the 3-4 defense. This is the first year they are in the 4-3 defense. It will take time for the transition to the 4-3. Give it time, and keep supporting the TEXANS. Oh yea, and support The front office and the coaching staff.
The transition from 3-4 to 4-3 should not result in giving up nearly 500 yards per game. Ever.

Tkyss has some interesting things to say in this thread, especially about overpursuit. Teams are going to exploit that tendency until it is fixed.

Tkyss or anyone? Where did you read that Robinson was making the defensive calls? I thought it was Ryans. Missed that. Thanks.
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Tkyss or anyone? Where did you read that Robinson was making the defensive calls? I thought it was Ryans. Missed that. Thanks.
Ryans makes the front 7 calls, CC Brown makes the DB calls unless there is a report somewhere changing that.
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The transition from 3-4 to 4-3 should not result in giving up nearly 500 yards per game. Ever.

Tkyss has some interesting things to say in this thread, especially about overpursuit. Teams are going to exploit that tendency until it is fixed.

Tkyss or anyone? Where did you read that Robinson was making the defensive calls? I thought it was Ryans. Missed that. Thanks.
The Fox broadcast team said it was Ryans making the calls.
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You WILL NOT win a single game if you give up 500 yards a game on Defense.
I dont care what Offense you have.
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Ryans makes the front 7 calls, CC Brown makes the DB calls unless there is a report somewhere changing that.
AT the game, I saw DR come to the sideline, then went back to tell the guys what was what.....

I also saw Greenwood pointing and "moving" the LBs around more than Ryans.

I heard & read the reports as well. but from what I saw, Dunta was making the calls.

Maybe that's the problem, too many Cheifs, and not enough Indians......
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but from what I saw, Dunta was making "the" calls.
There isn't one person making "the" calls. There are two with other folks chiming in but not making the calls.
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Remember when Franchione converted the Aggies to a 4-3 defense? We look THAT bad. I think Texas Tech is still scoring in that game.
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The over-pursuit is obvious and the linebackers are just not reading the plays. I saw 1 good read yesterday by Orr when he sniffed out the screen, but other than that they looked to passive.

Where is the bring back the 3-4 thread?
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I think Kubiak is really to blame here. It appears as though this team is worse than last year. And I don't see how being worse in this situation can turn out to be a good thing in the short run.

As for personnel, this whole squad is terrible. People can blame just the offense or the defense. But, in reality, it is both sides of the ball that are just terrible. Which is why this is so disgusting.

I said this on another thread, they need to trade Carr ASAP and get value before the deadline. After this season is over, no one isn't going to want him, and there is probably going to be this continual question can he lead the team. Carr isn't the biggest problem on this team, but I don't see how he can be a part of the solution. This fix will more than likely take longer than his 3 year extension, I think we can agree on that. There just isn't enough talent on this team and his contribution isn't enough to make up the difference.

I think AJ's contract is up this year as a restricted free agent. They should slap that tennder offer, or whatever it is, and then get compensated for a 1st round draft pick by not matching someone's offer.

Let's be honest, that is being nice to Carr and AJ so they can move on with their careers. And let's be realistic, how do you keep these guys on the squad for 3 to 5 more years to begin to make a playoff run, then an eventual Super Bowl run?

These are tough decisions, but I think the best thing to do right now is to manage the cap, accumulate mid 1st round picks, as well as 2nd and 3rd picks, for 2007. If they are in the top 5 picks for the 2007 draft because of their 2006 record, trade down because it is too expensive for those slots. Taking a QB or RB at #1 just seems insane at this stage.

The core of this team is David Carr and Andre Johnson, and it hasn't produced anything. How can you continue to spend that much on something that doesn't work? As for the defense, there isn't core. Those guys are just a joke.

Let's face it, this is an expansion team all over again, I am convinced more than half of the Texans starters probably couldn't even start somewhere else in the league.

I don't know how you gut a losing team, but these guys need to find a way!
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I think Kubiak is really to blame here. It appears as though this team is worse than last year. And I don't see how being worse in this situation can turn out to be a good thing in the short run.

As for personnel, this whole squad is terrible. People can blame just the offense or the defense. But, in reality, it is both sides of the ball that are just terrible. Which is why this is so disgusting.

I said this on another thread, they need to trade Carr ASAP and get value before the deadline. After this season is over, no one isn't going to want him, and there is probably going to be this continual question can he lead the team. Carr isn't the biggest problem on this team, but I don't see how he can be a part of the solution. This fix will more than likely take longer than his 3 year extension, I think we can agree on that. There just isn't enough talent on this team and his contribution isn't enough to make up the difference.

I think AJ's contract is up this year as a restricted free agent. They should slap that tennder offer, or whatever it is, and then get compensated for a 1st round draft pick by not matching someone's offer.

Let's be honest, that is being nice to Carr and AJ so they can move on with their careers. And let's be realistic, how do you keep these guys on the squad for 3 to 5 more years to begin to make a playoff run, then an eventual Super Bowl run?

These are tough decisions, but I think the best thing to do right now is to manage the cap, accumulate mid 1st round picks, as well as 2nd and 3rd picks, for 2007. If they are in the top 5 picks for the 2007 draft because of their 2006 record, trade down because it is too expensive for those slots. Taking a QB or RB at #1 just seems insane at this stage.

The core of this team is David Carr and Andre Johnson, and it hasn't produced anything. How can you continue to spend that much on something that doesn't work? As for the defense, there isn't core. Those guys are just a joke.

Let's face it, this is an expansion team all over again, I am convinced more than half of the Texans starters probably couldn't even start somewhere else in the league.

I don't know how you gut a losing team, but these guys need to find a way!
I wholeheartedly disagree with trading anyone at this point in time, or about letting Andre Johnson go anywhere. What do you think we do now if we trade Carr? Mail it in the rest of the season and then let Sage run the team the next few years and draft a rookie QB? I don't think you can make a blanket trade Carr statement unless you back it up with a strategy about where you would like the team to go beyond that in terms of personnel. We diefinitely don't have the depth at either position to replace or compete.

I don't understand how trading AJ solves any problems. I do see that we are learning this year about the personnel and this year is incredibly important in player development at all levels of offense and defense. This WAS supposed to be a learning year for Spencer, and I am expect Winston to be getting reps at mid-year.

The offense has executed, but made some very silly mistakes, which I think can get ironed out with repititions against a real NFL defense. Just think that our offense practices against the worst NFL defense... that isn't going to help offensive preparation.

The defense is a major concern, but I think everyone knew that the secondary was going to be atrocious coming in and that it is a cancer to the whole defense to account for that glaring weakness.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with trading anyone at this point in time, or about letting Andre Johnson go anywhere. What do you think we do now if we trade Carr? Mail it in the rest of the season and then let Sage run the team the next few years and draft a rookie QB? I don't think you can make a blanket trade Carr statement unless you back it up with a strategy about where you would like the team to go beyond that in terms of personnel. We diefinitely don't have the depth at either position to replace or compete.

I don't understand how trading AJ solves any problems. I do see that we are learning this year about the personnel and this year is incredibly important in player development at all levels of offense and defense. This WAS supposed to be a learning year for Spencer, and I am expect Winston to be getting reps at mid-year.

The offense has executed, but made some very silly mistakes, which I think can get ironed out with repititions against a real NFL defense. Just think that our offense practices against the worst NFL defense... that isn't going to help offensive preparation.

The defense is a major concern, but I think everyone knew that the secondary was going to be atrocious coming in and that it is a cancer to the whole defense to account for that glaring weakness.
I think the season is already being mailed in.

That is my point.

If this teams goes 2-14 again, Carr will have zero value and there will be serious discussion about every position on this roster, except for wide receiver.

Keeping Carr is just as much of risk, if not more, than trading him and getting some value now.

This team is probably 3 years from having a .500 record and 5 years from a thinking about a Super Bowl. I thought signing Carr's 3 year extension was to build a Super Bowl team. In reality, it is just to build a .500 team. Do you see my perspective here?

If you want to keep Carr and AJ, how do they fit in that mix 3 to 5 years from now? Please explain that to me.

I don't see how we can expect a playoff run before the end of Carr's contract extension. That, I see is a major problem.
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I think the season is already being mailed in.

That is my point.

If this teams goes 2-14 again, Carr will have zero value and there will be serious discussion about every position on this roster, except for wide receiver.

Keeping Carr is just as much of risk, if not more, than trading him and getting some value now.

This team is probably 3 years from having a .500 record and 5 years from a thinking about a Super Bowl. I thought signing Carr's 3 year extension was to build a Super Bowl team. In reality, it is just to build a .500 team. Do you see my perspective here?

If you want to keep Carr and AJ, how do they fit in that mix 3 to 5 years from now? Please explain that to me.

I don't see how we can expect a playoff run before the end of Carr's contract extension. That, I see is a major problem.
Teams have turned themselves into a playoff team in less than three years, it takes a lot of effort to do so. You probably saw Andre Johnson yesterday, he is a franchise WR that will make a QB better. I don't see how jettisoning a player with his talent helps us develop faster. Should Cincy have jettisoned Chad Johnson when they were terrible? What effect does he have now on the others in the passing game? Regardless of who the QB is, he makes those around him better. He could be more of a leader, but who knows what happens in the locker room.

I agree that the season is close to being mailed in... but I don't see that from the offense, just the defense. Dunta threw up his hands multiple times yesterday in frustration as if to say, What are we doing?

Trade Carr? Keep Carr? Extend Carr? It's played out... the guy has the arm, maybe not the head for this system anymore. There very well could be a revolutionary war breakout on the message boards if he was traded and performed well in another system.

I see your point, but I don't think that trading the offensive leaders to this point decreases the yards given up on defense. We have draft picks for next year, and we have free agency... we need to cut bait with the smelly fish we brought on board in Travis Johnson, Jason Babin and Morlon Greenwood. We have 4 starters that wouldn't start on another team when you look at Babin, TJ, Orr, and Brown. The rebuild needs to be addressed there.

Trading at this point immediately sets you back an extended period of time, by requiring more gaps to fill. And I think we agree, they aren't really gaps as much as gaping holes.
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I think AJ's contract is up this year as a restricted free agent. They should slap that tennder offer, or whatever it is, and then get compensated for a 1st round draft pick by not matching someone's offer.
Let's not spread incorrect info. AJ is signed thru 2008. He will NEVER be an RFA which is someone without a contract and less than 4 years in the league. He will go straight to UFA. He can get franchise tagged in 2009.
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Teams have turned themselves into a playoff team in less than three years, it takes a lot of effort to do so. You probably saw Andre Johnson yesterday, he is a franchise WR that will make a QB better. I don't see how jettisoning a player with his talent helps us develop faster. Should Cincy have jettisoned Chad Johnson when they were terrible? What effect does he have now on the others in the passing game? Regardless of who the QB is, he makes those around him better. He could be more of a leader, but who knows what happens in the locker room.

I agree that the season is close to being mailed in... but I don't see that from the offense, just the defense. Dunta threw up his hands multiple times yesterday in frustration as if to say, What are we doing?

Trade Carr? Keep Carr? Extend Carr? It's played out... the guy has the arm, maybe not the head for this system anymore. There very well could be a revolutionary war breakout on the message boards if he was traded and performed well in another system.

I see your point, but I don't think that trading the offensive leaders to this point decreases the yards given up on defense. We have draft picks for next year, and we have free agency... we need to cut bait with the smelly fish we brought on board in Travis Johnson, Jason Babin and Morlon Greenwood. We have 4 starters that wouldn't start on another team when you look at Babin, TJ, Orr, and Brown. The rebuild needs to be addressed there.

Trading at this point immediately sets you back an extended period of time, by requiring more gaps to fill. And I think we agree, they aren't really gaps as much as gaping holes.
I guess your point is that the Texans can playoff run in 2008? I am not as optimistic. That is why I am saying to trade Carr. What else would be the point of Carr's extension? That is a big question right now, at the least.

I am not suggesting to trade AJ. I believe his contract is up after this year and is a restricted free agent. I think McNair needs to find out now how hard it will be to resign him. If AJ leaves or wants to leave, do you still want Carr?

Also, you are assuming AJ and Carr want to stay as Texans or even play together. This duo is very lackluster and I don't see how you pay through the teeth to keep it together. Yes, they are the most productive part to the team, but that isn't saying much.

This team is disaster and I think it is stretch to ask for this team to get over .500 this season or the next. 2008 is the best bet for this team to start winning games if it team drafts well, goes through free agency smartly, and doesn't have significant injuries.

Like I said, keeping Carr and AJ is just as much of risk as letting them go through trade and free agency. At least we get compensation in those scenarios. If we keep them, we have to find a way to pay the contracts for 3 plus years and then keep them once the team starts winning, if it does start winning.

What this organization does the next two drafts and free agency will be critical to them putting togethe .500 before year 10. It is that bad!
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