Warren Moon's No. 1 Will Finally Be Retired - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Tulip · 09-23-2006

October 1st during the Titans/Cowboys game.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....609230365/1027

Speedy · 09-23-2006

Wow. Moon, nor any of the other guys except Matthews, has ever played a down in the state of Tennessee. Bud Adams is a puke.

Wolf · 09-23-2006

what gets me, is if I remember correctly.. Bud had the oilers name and stats retired ...so the city of houston couldn't use the name again (unlike the deal the NFL made with Cleveland)..

with that said, I wondered why the City of Houston wouldn't have the honor of retiring the Oiler Jersey?

I would understand better if the Oiler name/stats weren't sealed(IIRC)

HJam72 · 09-23-2006

IIRC, Adams also ripped Moon out of a cool $1 million that he was supposed to get for throwing so many TDs or for so many yards (incentives in the contract) when he traded him.

I'm sure Moon would much rather do it in Houston.

**Hookem Horns** · 09-23-2006

I wonder if the Titans fan will be like they were when Elvin Bethea had his number retired (laughing and asking who's that?). Aj and I were ready to puke sitting in the stands for that one. Most of those fans were only watching NASCAR when the Houston Oilers were playing.

Yvette · 09-23-2006

We're on the same wave length Hookem... I just posted about this on the TOMB.

I'm going to stand in for you. I'll be wearing your jersey and I plan to whistle until the spit dries.

**gwallaia** · 09-23-2006

Warren Moon should do the right thing and not attend any ceremony. I will lose a large measure of respect for him if he does.

aj. · 09-23-2006

If it's like the day when Elvin was recognized in Nashville, there will be a ten-story color banner of Moon hanging off the side of the stadium, people will be asking "who's that?" as they walk over the bridges (few will actually be in their seats during the ceremony because it's at halftime and everyone went to the john), and oh yeah, Floyd Reese's wife will be drunk as a skunk, mixing it up with Houston fans in the parking lot after the game.

**Hookem Horns** · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Yvette

We're on the same wave length Hookem... I just posted about this on the TOMB.

I'm going to stand in for you. I'll be wearing your jersey and I plan to whistle until the spit dries.

Thanks Yvette

. That jersey has seen it all from the Astrodome to the Vet, Meadowlands, Dawg Pound, and others. You know, that is an authentic jersey back when authentics were around $70. Now they are like $230. Is it still in good shape?

**Hookem Horns** · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by aj.

If it's like the day when Elvin was recognized in Nashville, there will be a ten-story color banner of Moon hanging off the side of the stadium, people will be asking "who's that?" as they walk over the bridges (few will actually be in their seats during the ceremony because it's at halftime and everyone went to the john), and oh yeah, Floyd Reese's wife will be drunk as a skunk, mixing it up with Houston fans in the parking lot after the game.

LOL, I remember my jaw hitting the floor when I found out that drunk woman was Floyd Reese's wife. Wasn't she spewing nonsense about Houston and how us fans didn't want the Oilers, etc.?

I remember John McClain telling us that Elvin follows the Texans. Then as we were crossing that bridge seeing that big picture of Elvin on the side of that stadium some fans were asking who he was. I remember telling one of them that he is a Texans fan and thanks for honoring us, however next season I want to see my picture up there when the Texans come to town.

Yvette · 09-23-2006

Yep, its still in great shape!

I just told Bob about Moon and he's seriously trying to talk me into letting him wear it. I can whistle louder so I win LOL!

aj. · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

LOL, I remember my jaw hitting the floor when I found out that drunk woman was Floyd Reese's wife. Wasn't she spewing nonsense about Houston and how us fans didn't want the Oilers, etc.?

Yeah, I remember her blubbering about how Houston fans sucked and we didn't care about our sports teams, bleaahhhhh (got another beer?). I reminded her that I was from Houston and I was in her esteemed presence because I flew 750 miles to watch my team get their asses pounded into the turf ( '03 I think -- the day McNair threw for about 400). Yeah we suck.

Tulip · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by gwallaia

Warren Moon should do the right thing and not attend any ceremony. I will lose a large measure of respect for him if he does.

The event was pre-arranged to fit into Moon's schedule, so I'm sure he will be there.

I am a huge fan of Moon's, and I will not lose any respect for him if he attends. He deserves the honor, and he deserves to enjoy it. IMO, it doesn't matter how he feels (or how I feel) about Bud Adams or the Titans.

TexanSam · 09-24-2006

Yes, he played for the Oilers in Houston but the Titans are in essence a continuation of the Oilers. I think it makes more sence retiring his jersey with the Titans than it would if it were the Texans. He played in Houston but the Texans are a new franchise. The Titans aren't. They changed the name and moved to a new city, but they aren't a new franchise.

Snapple · 09-24-2006

They're a continuation of the Oilers in more than just an essence. All of the Oilers team records and history are official property of the Titans. Everything moved from Houston to Tennessee, not just the roster at the time.

The Houston Texans are an expansion team, not the resurrection of the Oilers.

This is the key difference between us and the Cleveland Browns. When Art Modell moved his team from Cleveland to Baltimore, he signed away the history of the Browns so that it would be retained by the city of Cleveland. The team now known as the Baltimore Ravens has a fresh history and fresh record book. They do not officially have historical ties to the Browns like the Titans do with the Oilers.

When the expansion Browns team popped up, thanks to Cleveland retaining the old Browns team rights, the new team inheritted the record book, the history, the retired numbers, and everything else.

aj. · 09-24-2006

They are the same franchise so from that aspect it makes total sense.

But it's like retiring Deacon Jones jersey in front of the crowd in St Louis. Just odd, that's all.

(yeah I know Moon went on to play for three other teams after Houston - but most of his NFL 'success' was in Houston)

Texans86 · 09-24-2006

You'd think they would at least have enough respect to retire it during the Titans/Texans game. At least then Moon would have some Houston fans there for him. Of course that could lead to an interesting speech as to who he thinks more of.

Wolf · 09-24-2006

Bud knows how much the City of Houston (Oiler/Texan fans) hate Dallas so why not honor Moon in front of him

Revolution · 09-24-2006

It would have been a nice gesture to do this during the Titans/Texans game...

A nice gesture from Bud???? Sorry!

Yvette · 09-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Texans86

You'd think they would at least have enough respect to retire it during the Titans/Texans game. At least then Moon would have some Houston fans there for him. Of course that could lead to an interesting speech as to who he thinks more of.

Because he's broadcasting the Seattle game at the same time in KC.

The info in the link did say it's a scheduling issue

09-23-2006	#1
Tulip Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,864 Rep Power: 14	Warren Moon's No. 1 Will Finally Be Retired October 1st during the Titans/Cowboys game. http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....609230365/1027 __________________ Addition by subtraction

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Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,906 Rep Power: 41330	what gets me, is if I remember correctly.. Bud had the oilers name and stats retired ...so the city of houston couldn't use the name again (unlike the deal the NFL made with Cleveland).. with that said, I wondered why the City of Houston wouldn't have the honor of retiring the Oiler Jersey? I would understand better if the Oiler name/stats weren't sealed(IIRC) __________________ Finding out alcohol was a depressant made me question science

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,521 Rep Power: 18935	IIRC, Adams also ripped Moon out of a cool $1 million that he was supposed to get for throwing so many TDs or for so many yards (incentives in the contract) when he traded him. I'm sure Moon would much rather do it in Houston. __________________

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Yvette Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Here today, there tomorrow Posts: 255 Rep Power: 2523	We're on the same wave length Hookem... I just posted about this on the TOMB. I'm going to stand in for you. I'll be wearing your jersey and I plan to whistle until the spit dries. __________________ Are you obsessed or possessed?

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Speedy Yeller Dweller Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Livable Forest Section: 547 - Row A - Dark Side Posts: 2,866 Rep Power: 9713	Wow. Moon, nor any of the other guys except Matthews, has ever played a down in the state of Tennessee. Bud Adams is a puke.

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Hookem Horns Lets Go Rangers Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,833 Rep Power: 31366	I wonder if the Titans fan will be like they were when Elvin Bethea had his number retired (laughing and asking who's that?). Aj and I were ready to puke sitting in the stands for that one. Most of those fans were only watching NASCAR when the Houston Oilers were playing.

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aj. Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,769 Rep Power: 657	If it's like the day when Elvin was recognized in Nashville, there will be a ten-story color banner of Moon hanging off the side of the stadium, people will be asking "who's that?" as they walk over the bridges (few will actually be in their seats during the ceremony because it's at halftime and everyone went to the john), and oh yeah, Floyd Reese's wife will be drunk as a skunk, mixing it up with Houston fans in the parking lot after the game.

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TexanSam Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston Age: 26 Posts: 16,665 Rep Power: 23578	Yes, he played for the Oilers in Houston but the Titans are in essence a continuation of the Oilers. I think it makes more sence retiring his jersey with the Titans than it would if it were the Texans. He played in Houston but the Texans are a new franchise. The Titans aren't. They changed the name and moved to a new city, but they aren't a new franchise. __________________ Thanks to Premier

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Snapple Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orlando, FL via Houston, TX Age: 29 Posts: 445 Rep Power: 8	They're a continuation of the Oilers in more than just an essence. All of the Oilers team records and history are official property of the Titans. Everything moved from Houston to Tennessee, not just the roster at the time. The Houston Texans are an expansion team, not the resurrection of the Oilers. This is the key difference between us and the Cleveland Browns. When Art Modell moved his team from Cleveland to Baltimore, he signed away the history of the Browns so that it would be retained by the city of Cleveland. The team now known as the Baltimore Ravens has a fresh history and fresh record book. They do not officially have historical ties to the Browns like the Titans do with the Oilers. When the expansion Browns team popped up, thanks to Cleveland retaining the old Browns team rights, the new team inheritted the record book, the history, the retired numbers, and everything else.

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Texans86 All Pro Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Waco, Texas Age: 27 Posts: 927 Rep Power: 8	You'd think they would at least have enough respect to retire it during the Titans/Texans game. At least then Moon would have some Houston fans there for him. Of course that could lead to an interesting speech as to who he thinks more of. __________________ "Only the Sith deal in absolutes." ---Wait, isn't that an absolute?

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Revolution All Pro Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 880 Rep Power: 303	It would have been a nice gesture to do this during the Titans/Texans game... A nice gesture from Bud???? Sorry! __________________ Smugmug referral code: Yh.PHMJhPSxmQ

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