Safety Help!!!!! - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

mike230765 · 09-18-2006

I was all for the young safties playing, but now I am all for trying to get some veteran to get back there and take command of the secondary. This is just pissing me off that we our guys do not have the experience that we need back there. Let the young guys learn from some proven vet. If we can't fnd anyone before Troy Vincent is able to play then i all for getting him. He may have lost a step or two, but he will know where he needs to be to make a play! Let the young guys learn from him.

threetoedpete · 09-18-2006

Who are you thinking about here ? What's out there. Rick Smith drug up what was out there in camp. What we got is better than what is on the wiaver wire. You're correct in difining the problem. The only medicine I think is just time. We gotta ride it out. Unless, you advocating spending draft capitol now at the expense of the '07 draft. You wanna spend what looks like today top ten to fifteen picks on a vet to do what? The o-line is in a tail spin. The o-line isn't going to get any better this season. Nope just too many hole in this dyke to plug up. Just gotta ride it out. Hope they improve.

Mattheus_Rex · 09-18-2006

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Originally Posted by threetoedpete

We gotta ride it out.

My thoughts exactly. Did everybody think that Kubiak was going to walk in and *bing* instant post season??

El Tejano · 09-18-2006

I'm just hoping they look like they have a clue. So far Can't Cover Brown and Glen Earl haven't shown any signs of that.

The Eagles game was a very winnable game until they were screwing up back there. Sadly it isn't because the other team made a heck of a play, it is because you continuously see them out of place because they don't know where they should be.

Im willing to ride it out but it is getting old. At least put in Jason Simmons.

Texans Horror · 09-18-2006

The defensive secondary really needs some help. And it wasn't just that Peyton had loads of time, which he did, but rarely used. Peyton tended to zap away at his receivers. The Texans just weren't anywhere near them.

This has been building for over a year now. Houston has been content to stay with what they've had in the defensive secondary. It will burn them again this year. I hope when the opportunity arises, they add some talent and depth to the secondary.

Rightnow · 09-18-2006

Besides Dunta none of our other secondary players would be starters on other teams except out of desperation. Kubiak knows this, but what can he do? It's not like he can wave a magic wand and make bad players into even average ones.

Sarg01 · 09-18-2006

Earl had a pretty good game. Led the team in tackles, had an endzone pick (nullified by his partner), and forced a goal line fumble to steal a TD from Indy.

However, CC Brown has no business playing at Free Safety. He's a Strong Safety and a complete liability in coverage. Given that the Free Safety is supposed to be the guy helping out with the receivers that are too hot for the corner to handle, that's a big problem.

I was kind of surprised when we took Daniels with Ko Simpson and Pat Watkins on the draft board. Granted, Daniels appears to be working out alright - even well, but our starting FS shouldn't be a backup at that position. Even Jason Simmons, one of our special teams headhunter's, has shown some coverage ability (that can-you-believe-it INT vs. McNabb). I'm not saying Simmons should be our starting FS ... just that we're that poor at the position.

RiotCommander · 09-18-2006

I have been a G.Earl fan, but neither he or CC had a good game. In fact they were getting abused all game long. I know its not all their fault. They have to be put into a position to succeed so the coaches are partially at fault, but we really need secondary help.

I wish I knew how this could be fixed, but right now I have nothing. I just hope that through coaching they can get better. We cannot rebuild the whole team next year, and those that want to be here need to show it.

HOOK'EM · 09-23-2006

Safety help needed!

Holden135 · 09-23-2006

What about trying Dexter McCleon at safety. He is a little undersized but he hits like a linebacker. He isn't a great cover corner but he probobly has better coverage skills than any of our current safeties. From what i have seen, the transition from db to safety isn't that difficult. Marcus Coleman did it with descent success.

**infantrycak** · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Holden135

Marcus Coleman did it with descent success.

Unintentional I am sure but hilariously appropriate. Yes Coleman's descent was very marked once he moved to safety--I guess that is a successful descent.

aj. · 09-23-2006

Did anyone else catch C.C. Brown's quote that the 'skins have one of the best receiving corps in the league?

Yeah, he couldn't say "they suck" but I would have rather heard something like "we have our work cut out for us but we're up to the challenge" ....

Correction: the exact quote was "They probably have the best receiving corps in the league."

**ArlingtonTexan** · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by aj.

Did anyone else catch C.C. Brown's quote that the 'skins have one of the best receiving corps in the league?

Yeah, he couldn't say "they suck" but I would have rather heard something like "we have our work cut out for us but we're up to the challenge" ....

Correction: the exact quote was "They probably have the best receiving corps in the league."

or did he mean, " we are going to probably make them look like they have best receiving corps in the league."

Goldeagle · 09-23-2006

Glad to see others hopping on this band wagon!

BlueThunder · 09-23-2006

I expect results!!!We came into this season knowing we had the worst defensive coaches in the league but didn't replace them.We knew there system was flawed and they are poor talent evaluators but we let them cloud our minds.They actually said that the secondary was the strenth of the team but I haven't seen it.If this is there secondary they plan to use then all we can do is sit back and watch.

aj. · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by BlueThunder

We came into this season knowing we had the worst defensive coaches in the league but didn't replace them.

Huh?

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Originally Posted by BlueThunder

We knew there system was flawed and they are poor talent evaluators but we let them cloud our minds.

Got a mouse in your pocket?

BlueThunder · 09-23-2006

No,but think about it for a minute.We finished 31st in the league in pass defense.Its not to hard to see that what there doing isn't working.From the inside the picture is a lot different then what people see on the outside.All I see on the outside is a poorly prepared secondary that is being ate alive.We have given up more big plays then any team in the league.There trying to implement a 34 and 43 at the same time.They need to establish a solid base before they try to run 2 different systems.What I see is a better 43 team then a 34 team we've been waiting 4 years on.What we need is someone that can come in and take accountability for there actions on that side of the ball.We have to shake this loser.

I said from the start that if there plan didn't work they would be held accountable.

We want answers and improvement now!!!!

NEROtheZERO · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by BlueThunder

No,but think about it for a minute.We finished 31st in the league in pass defense.Its not to hard to see that what there doing isn't working.From the inside the picture is a lot different then what people see on the outside.All I see on the outside is a poorly prepared secondary that is being ate alive.We have given up more big plays then any team in the league.There trying to implement a 34 and 43 at the same time.They need to establish a solid base before they try to run 2 different systems.What I see is a better 43 team then a 34 team we've been waiting 4 years on.What we need is someone that can come in and take accountability for there actions on that side of the ball.We have to shake this loser.

I said from the start that if there plan didn't work they would be held accountable.

We want answers and improvement now!!!!

Is this serious?

BlueThunder · 09-23-2006

We played good offense's but the fact is one of the offense's are in our way and we have to do what ever it takes to slow that team down.I don't want to here excuses I want to see results.Its time to get this team to the top whatever it takes..Theres nothing I hate more then losing and the last showing don't even warrent watching... Something better happen this week or were going to start looking closer at whats going on.

aj. · 09-23-2006

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Originally Posted by BlueThunder

I expect results!!!We came into this season knowing we had the worst defensive coaches in the league but didn't replace them.

So which defensive coach, other than Hoke, needed to be replaced (and wasn't) in your opinion?

09-18-2006	#1
mike230765 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: College Station Age: 36 Posts: 81 Rep Power: 9	Safety Help!!!!! I was all for the young safties playing, but now I am all for trying to get some veteran to get back there and take command of the secondary. This is just pissing me off that we our guys do not have the experience that we need back there. Let the young guys learn from some proven vet. If we can't fnd anyone before Troy Vincent is able to play then i all for getting him. He may have lost a step or two, but he will know where he needs to be to make a play! Let the young guys learn from him.

09-18-2006	#6
Rightnow Veteran Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 248 Rep Power: 9	Besides Dunta none of our other secondary players would be starters on other teams except out of desperation. Kubiak knows this, but what can he do? It's not like he can wave a magic wand and make bad players into even average ones. __________________ Go Texans!

09-18-2006	#8
RiotCommander All Pro Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 36 Posts: 659 Rep Power: 10	I have been a G.Earl fan, but neither he or CC had a good game. In fact they were getting abused all game long. I know its not all their fault. They have to be put into a position to succeed so the coaches are partially at fault, but we really need secondary help. I wish I knew how this could be fixed, but right now I have nothing. I just hope that through coaching they can get better. We cannot rebuild the whole team next year, and those that want to be here need to show it. __________________ Owen Daniels is my Adopted Texen. 5 Catches 47 Yards 2 TD

09-23-2006	#17
BlueThunder Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 304 Rep Power: 8	No,but think about it for a minute.We finished 31st in the league in pass defense.Its not to hard to see that what there doing isn't working.From the inside the picture is a lot different then what people see on the outside.All I see on the outside is a poorly prepared secondary that is being ate alive.We have given up more big plays then any team in the league.There trying to implement a 34 and 43 at the same time.They need to establish a solid base before they try to run 2 different systems.What I see is a better 43 team then a 34 team we've been waiting 4 years on.What we need is someone that can come in and take accountability for there actions on that side of the ball.We have to shake this loser. I said from the start that if there plan didn't work they would be held accountable. We want answers and improvement now!!!! Last edited by BlueThunder; 09-23-2006 at 12:01 PM.

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09-18-2006	#2
threetoedpete Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Age: 57 Posts: 6,644 Rep Power: 141	Who are you thinking about here ? What's out there. Rick Smith drug up what was out there in camp. What we got is better than what is on the wiaver wire. You're correct in difining the problem. The only medicine I think is just time. We gotta ride it out. Unless, you advocating spending draft capitol now at the expense of the '07 draft. You wanna spend what looks like today top ten to fifteen picks on a vet to do what? The o-line is in a tail spin. The o-line isn't going to get any better this season. Nope just too many hole in this dyke to plug up. Just gotta ride it out. Hope they improve.

09-18-2006	#4
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	I'm just hoping they look like they have a clue. So far Can't Cover Brown and Glen Earl haven't shown any signs of that. The Eagles game was a very winnable game until they were screwing up back there. Sadly it isn't because the other team made a heck of a play, it is because you continuously see them out of place because they don't know where they should be. Im willing to ride it out but it is getting old. At least put in Jason Simmons.

09-18-2006	#5
Texans Horror Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,303 Rep Power: 24	The defensive secondary really needs some help. And it wasn't just that Peyton had loads of time, which he did, but rarely used. Peyton tended to zap away at his receivers. The Texans just weren't anywhere near them. This has been building for over a year now. Houston has been content to stay with what they've had in the defensive secondary. It will burn them again this year. I hope when the opportunity arises, they add some talent and depth to the secondary.

09-18-2006	#7
Sarg01 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 1,152 Rep Power: 11	Earl had a pretty good game. Led the team in tackles, had an endzone pick (nullified by his partner), and forced a goal line fumble to steal a TD from Indy. However, CC Brown has no business playing at Free Safety. He's a Strong Safety and a complete liability in coverage. Given that the Free Safety is supposed to be the guy helping out with the receivers that are too hot for the corner to handle, that's a big problem. I was kind of surprised when we took Daniels with Ko Simpson and Pat Watkins on the draft board. Granted, Daniels appears to be working out alright - even well, but our starting FS shouldn't be a backup at that position. Even Jason Simmons, one of our special teams headhunter's, has shown some coverage ability (that can-you-believe-it INT vs. McNabb). I'm not saying Simmons should be our starting FS ... just that we're that poor at the position.

09-23-2006	#9
HOOK'EM Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 379 Rep Power: 8	Safety help needed!

09-23-2006	#10
Holden135 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 9	What about trying Dexter McCleon at safety. He is a little undersized but he hits like a linebacker. He isn't a great cover corner but he probobly has better coverage skills than any of our current safeties. From what i have seen, the transition from db to safety isn't that difficult. Marcus Coleman did it with descent success.

09-23-2006	#12
aj. Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,769 Rep Power: 657	Did anyone else catch C.C. Brown's quote that the 'skins have one of the best receiving corps in the league? Yeah, he couldn't say "they suck" but I would have rather heard something like "we have our work cut out for us but we're up to the challenge" .... Correction: the exact quote was "They probably have the best receiving corps in the league."

09-23-2006	#14
Goldeagle Hall of Fame Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Spring Age: 40 Posts: 1,816 Rep Power: 11	Glad to see others hopping on this band wagon!

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