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Old 09-17-2006   #1
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It's 10:57 PM and not one mention of Charles Spencer's injury much less an update.

The regular news broadcast did mention a broken leg and out for the season, but you would think they would say something on the Inside the Game program.
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Well they finally mentioned is injury, but I still thought a bi injury like that would have been mention sooner then now.
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On the Bob Allen interview on ch13 Kubiak just said "don't let the numbers fool you" when asked directly about Carr. He said the team "will go as Carr goes" and he needs to figure out how to get him to play good the whole game instead of one quarter against a prevent d.
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I am listening to Ch 2, Kubiak is talking.
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What does Kubiak Mean When he was saying he needs to make david a 4 Quarter QB
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On the Bob Allen interview on ch13 Kubiak just said "don't let the numbers fool you" when asked directly about Carr. He said the team "will go as Carr goes" and he needs to figure out how to get him to play good the whole game instead of one quarter against a prevent d.
How about a 4 qtr coach to go along with it. I'm sorry Vinny, but how do you account for the defensive debacle as well. Kubiak is no different than Capers in that he keeps trying to run the ball and that simply is not the strength of this ball club. Is Carr perfect, far from it. However, Kubiak has been less than perfect himself. His play calling while not as predicatble is suspect and his game planning so far has been even more so.

Did I have high hopes for Kubiak. You bet I did and I have still feel this ball club has far more talent than it is showing. I firmly believe, however, that this ball club has to establish the pass before it can run. Its the same kind of team the 49ers had when Montana and Walsh were there. We have too much fire power in our receivers not to use them to best advantage. With this running game you are not going to scare anyone. Gado may prove to be a lot better than thought, but he is going to be even better when people are not looking for him running the ball. That happened in the 4th qtr today.

I still saying its coaching and not the players that is the problem again. I may be a lone wolf out there, but I'm sticking by my guns. We have top WR and TE talent and nothing at RB as of now. Why do you RUN RUN RUN RUN and say you can't pass until you run the ball. The Colts have stated they don't have a running game yet, so Manning is going to PASS PASS PASS PASS the ball. They are having success because they are doing what they do best. Carr is no Manning, but we are a heck of a lot better passing team than we are a running team. Give the team a chance and a break.
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How about a 4 qtr coach to go along with it. I'm sorry Vinny, but how do you account for the defensive debacle as well. Kubiak is no different than Capers in that he keeps trying to run the ball and that simply is not the strength of this ball club. Is Carr perfect, far from it. However, Kubiak has been less than perfect himself. His play calling while not as predicatble is suspect and his game planning so far has been even more so.

Did I have high hopes for Kubiak. You bet I did and I have still feel this ball club has far more talent than it is showing. I firmly believe, however, that this ball club has to establish the pass before it can run. Its the same kind of team the 49ers had when Montana and Walsh were there. We have too much fire power in our receivers not to use them to best advantage. With this running game you are not going to scare anyone. Gado may prove to be a lot better than thought, but he is going to be even better when people are not looking for him running the ball. That happened in the 4th qtr today.

I still saying its coaching and not the players that is the problem again. I may be a lone wolf out there, but I'm sticking by my guns. We have top WR and TE talent and nothing at RB as of now. Why do you RUN RUN RUN RUN and say you can't pass until you run the ball. The Colts have stated they don't have a running game yet, so Manning is going to PASS PASS PASS PASS the ball. They are having success because they are doing what they do best. Carr is no Manning, but we are a heck of a lot better passing team than we are a running team. Give the team a chance and a break.
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I think Kubiak needs to prove to defensive coordinators the Texans can use the entire part of the field. That is the problem as I see it on the offensive side of the ball. Also, I think Kubiak's play calling is suspect at best.
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Ok I see ya'lls point I agree that we need to be playing to our strengths. However, I dont see it being a great possibilty to be able to run a passing offense without a oline. So maybe Kubes thought on trying to start a running game may be the safest thing.
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Ok I see ya'lls point I agree that we need to be playing to our strengths. However, I dont see it being a great possibilty to be able to run a passing offense without a oline. So maybe Kubes thought on trying to start a running game may be the safest thing.

In order to do some of the passing plays in this Offense you have to run the ball, and we just are not running the ball the best, but you have to give Kubiak at least a year before you can start question his coaching abilty or calling plays becuase it was just one off season, and he was not able to get the team the way he excatly wanted it he did as good as he can with the players that where out there, and he also has to coach the whole team how to run his system, and that might take 1 year or more give him time.
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I think the first play of the game is what's wrong with the offense. Carr takes the snap takes 2 steps back and has to choose which of the three defenders already in the backfield is going to get to sack him.

What's wrong with the defense is how long it took us to get a sack.

Kubiak says it's Carr's fault. Well, then Kubiak is telling a bunch of frantic, ticked off fans what they want to hear. I'm fine with benching Carr, but I really doubt it's going to help anything at all. I wanted to try starting Rosenfeld in preseason, but it never happened. The problem is that our line on both sides is subpar and we have faced two of the better teams in this league two Sundays in a row. It will get better, but don't expect miracles.

As far as coaching goes, the running on 3rd and 9 was just stupid, but I don't think any coach would ever make everybody happy all the time, and I don't think coaching is the problem. Heck, we hot Sherman at OC. How can coaching be the problem on offense? The problem is that we've got rookies and losers as linemen. I imagine Pitts is an exception to that and there may be a few others (like Flanagan for sure), but we just suck. We also have skills players that can't block and help (effectively) with blitzes. Some may be able too, but some definitely haven't learned how yet. Lundy and fumbles is going to be another problem. He's a talented fumbler. Mostly, though, like I said, we suck in the trenches and nothing's going to change much until we see linemen winning where it counts.

I should add that part of the problem is the team needing time to gel, but I just hate saying it because we're all sick of reading it.
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I saw Carr before the game ... he looked like a guy about to get a vasectomy . In the first quarter , he played like a guy who got snipped .
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I haven't been a "bench Carr" person yet and I don't know if I'm heading down that road right now either. The one thing that keeps coming to mind though, is do you think that this team plays for him? That could be a big missing ingredient in the swagger pool for our team. Maybe they don't think he can lead them to the next level and they gave up on him like they gave up on Capers. Could it be a possibility? I think so and I think it's a likely scenario. In my mind, you shouldn't have to be led by someone. They are all grown men and get paid millions to perform for 16 weeks. But, the reality of it is, these men have to have a leader that they can ralley around and maybe they don't feel like Carr is the one for them. I have no idea, it just appears they they are flat out there. I didn't expect them to win either game we played so far, but I didn't expect them to be as sloppy either.
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Wow...... Ibar, I guess I'm the last remaining memeber of the 13-3 club eh??

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a team would have to be stupid not to believe we're going to try to bootleg Carr into the open field. The Colts guessed right, and were rewarded.

Then Carr's fumble didn't help.

Then Lundy's fumble didn't help.

& as long as people believe Pitts, & Flanagan are doing their part, as well as AJ, Dunta, Sanders, and Demeco...... we are going to have a lot of unhappy fans.

Defensively, we took ourselves out of the game when we showed up with that weak nickle defense, and shifting to a 3 man front, standing babin up, and whatever else we tried to do, that wasn't working in the first half.

Offensively, with the colts, you can get into a shootout, or we can run the ball and control the clock.... We already know our QB needs 3 quarters and 7 minutes to warm up, so that leaves the running game....

But..... I noticed Carr not having his saftey valves very often, in the RBs in the flat, and went to the tightends early in the game. we need to start him with 5 wideouts for the next three quarters, and see how he does.
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For the record, I heard Carr this morning on 610 and he talked about the protection of the O-line. He did say that they went into "max protect" mode when they started putting up the yards and points late in the game. Those were the times when he had ample time in the pocket to throw the ball. I don't know why we didn't switch to MAX earlier in the game, it may have made a difference at the beginning.
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How about a 4 qtr coach to go along with it. I'm sorry Vinny, but how do you account for the defensive debacle as well. Kubiak is no different than Capers in that he keeps trying to run the ball and that simply is not the strength of this ball club. Is Carr perfect, far from it. However, Kubiak has been less than perfect himself. His play calling while not as predicatble is suspect and his game planning so far has been even more so.

Did I have high hopes for Kubiak. You bet I did and I have still feel this ball club has far more talent than it is showing. I firmly believe, however, that this ball club has to establish the pass before it can run. Its the same kind of team the 49ers had when Montana and Walsh were there. We have too much fire power in our receivers not to use them to best advantage. With this running game you are not going to scare anyone. Gado may prove to be a lot better than thought, but he is going to be even better when people are not looking for him running the ball. That happened in the 4th qtr today.

I still saying its coaching and not the players that is the problem again. I may be a lone wolf out there, but I'm sticking by my guns. We have top WR and TE talent and nothing at RB as of now. Why do you RUN RUN RUN RUN and say you can't pass until you run the ball. The Colts have stated they don't have a running game yet, so Manning is going to PASS PASS PASS PASS the ball. They are having success because they are doing what they do best. Carr is no Manning, but we are a heck of a lot better passing team than we are a running team. Give the team a chance and a break.
As usual - wrong, wrong, wrong. Passing the first two plays was what got them in the early hole. Against Manning every team in the league goes to a run first ball control offense designed to keep Manning off the field. Remind me again what Pittsburgh did in the playoffs last year? You keep blaming the coaches. It seems to me that the only constant throughout both regimes has been the players. Why do you keep blaming the coaches, when the blame resides at the players feet? Although I think I know the answer, it's time to recognize that this team has made some major personell mistakes, starting with your golden boy, and ending with Bush/Williams.
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Wow...... Ibar, I guess I'm the last remaining memeber of the 13-3 club eh??

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a team would have to be stupid not to believe we're going to try to bootleg Carr into the open field. The Colts guessed right, and were rewarded.

Then Carr's fumble didn't help.

Then Lundy's fumble didn't help.

& as long as people believe Pitts, & Flanagan are doing their part, as well as AJ, Dunta, Sanders, and Demeco...... we are going to have a lot of unhappy fans.

Defensively, we took ourselves out of the game when we showed up with that weak nickle defense, and shifting to a 3 man front, standing babin up, and whatever else we tried to do, that wasn't working in the first half.

Offensively, with the colts, you can get into a shootout, or we can run the ball and control the clock.... We already know our QB needs 3 quarters and 7 minutes to warm up, so that leaves the running game....

But..... I noticed Carr not having his saftey valves very often, in the RBs in the flat, and went to the tightends early in the game. we need to start him with 5 wideouts for the next three quarters, and see how he does.
Its how they have looked and the lack of coaching staff that seems to understand what they are doing wrong (Team and the coaches). Yes, we played 2 very good teams, both who have their own problems and have adapted. We haven't and that is the issue. DD is gone. It was not planned that way, but that's a fact. What is our strength, its our receivers. You don't go away from your strength, because that's not the way everyone else is playing the game. You have to use your strength as that is the best chance you have at winning the game. You have to adapt, you have to over come is the name of the game............

They didn't protect Carr at the beginning of the game and we started off with a sack and then a fumble. But the Colts didn't punt until the 2nd half for the 1st time. We neither put defensive pressure or offensive pressure on the Colts. I'm very disappointed with the performance of this team and the coaching staff. We have some limitations personnel wise and we need to adapt and work with what we have. We have unfortunately had some injuries that haven't helped us as well. That happens to every team, but it seems like we are unfortunate enough to loose a lot of key people. Dayne stepping on Spencer is just a good example. Just a flat crazy injury and that you can not expect or account for. I like our team and I like the effort in TC and preseason. I feel for these gentleman and what they are going through. Yes, I'm mad because we are not that bad of a team and we shouldn't be looking as bad as we are.
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Wasn't it the 1st play of the game that Feeney came through Spencer like a hot butter knife. They didn't anticipate that? Give me a break. You know Feeney is going to try to intimidate the ROOKIE in the 1st series. To think he's done it to everyone else except for some one like PACE and he won't do it to the Rookie has got to be rediculous. Add to that the fact that our O-line has been described as being somewhat porous in nature only inhances the probability of some kind of blitz to get things started off with a bang for the defense. Hey, Kubiak is calling the plays all the way. If you know what the other team is going to do, then you better have something well planned to counter that so you put yourself on the right path and leave the other team scrambling to try to figure out how to adjust.
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Throw in Dunta, Orr and the safeties win your wide sweep on personnel moves. They played aweful and have been so the last few games. I hope that Wong comes back and takes the LLB spot because we needs some heady guys in there.
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