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Old 09-19-2004   #1
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Default Why didn't we challenge a weak secondary?

With the receivers we have on this offense, why didn't we go downfield more and challenge the secondary. This offense is giving DD too many touches, while forgetting about Johnson, Bradford, etc. AJ may be the best athlete we have on this team and to have only 3 touches against Detroit is unbelievable.
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AJ was being covered by the best corner on the field today, Fernando Bryant.
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Oh, and we did challenge a weak secondary today.

We challenged our secondary to shut down Roy Williams.
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Because our coaches are not good coaches.
I wouldnt blame the coaches just yet. I need to know if they are telling Carr to dump down the ball to Davis everytime Carr steps back to pass....
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I wouldnt blame the coaches just yet. I need to know if they are telling Carr to dump down the ball to Davis everytime Carr steps back to pass....
Yes, something was terribly wrong with what we witnessed today.
That was the total game plan ??
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Yes, something was terribly wrong with what we witnessed today.
That was the total game plan ??
I'll try to get an answer out of Capers tomorrow when I call his radio show on SR610...it will probably be a political answer though
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The Lions seemed to do the same thing. I noticed Harrington only threw for 175 yards or so.
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Johnson is such a talent, Carr is such a talent and Davis gets small chunks until he fumbles. Davis gets what 30 touches in the game and makes a negative contribution (points off his turnovers). Yes I feel he is being given too much of the offense with the others weapons Hou. has. My 2 cents!!
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why you ask?

the weak spot of there D is the secondary
the strong part of our O is the pass

1+1=2

we should have passed all day or atleast alot more then we did that would make sense.

but this is where our coaches screw it all up. They over think it, they think if we know we can pass all over them and they know we can they will defend against it and we can run 90yard downfield with under 4mins left and down by 2 scores.

there are 2 options Carr is the dumbest QB ever or our coaches are i still have some faith in Carr but i have lost all in the coaches

this is the first time i have thought our coaches need to go even last week I though it was to soon but they are a joke ruining our team.
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What bothers me the most is both Detroit's DTs were just blasting past our Pitts, McKinny, and Weigert, like they were statues. Is this a product of our guards being overrated or is the coaching staff finally being exposed as incompetent, or what is more likely a little of each?

Diminick Davis's fumbles are gonna keep haunting us until he does a better job of covering up the ball.

The offensive line again had trouble pass blocking in the first half. Sometimes the Detroit defense seemed to be on him before Carr even got the ball. Our bugaboo with the red zone showed its evil head again today. We just cannot move the ball when its inside the 10 yard line.
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I wouldnt blame the coaches just yet. I need to know if they are telling Carr to dump down the ball to Davis everytime Carr steps back to pass....
Oh, good - it's not just me who is a little concerned about Carr's reliance on Davis as his primary target.
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What bothers me the most is both Detroit's DTs were just blasting past our Pitts, McKinny, and Weigert,
Sack 1 was mostly Wiegert's but Wand also lost his block.

Sack 2 was the blown blitz pick up on the left side. Wand and Pitts were both engaged in blocks and weren't beaten. Det LB Davis came through unabated. Looks like Carr failed to recognize the obvious blitz situation when he came up to the line. Plus, both Baxter and DD shot off-tackle right and one (probably Baxter) should have stayed back to pick up the LB.

Sack 3 wasn't much of a sack - it was more of a hurry. In fact, I'm surprised they called that a sack. Carr was hurried but Wand was able to finish off his block before the rusher got a clean shot at him. Carr stumbled as he was flushed left out of the pocket and fumbled. That was one where Carr should have stepped up in the pocket.

Sack 4 was all on Todd Washington

Sack 5 was Wand getting run over by Hall

It doesn't appear that Pitts or McKinney had much to do with any of the 5 sacks.

Wiegert left the game in the 2nd qtr and didn't return.
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because we dont have a qb that can make good reads that why.
I'd love to see what Harrington would have done if we were constantly collapsing the pocket and hitting him with seven men in coverage. The Lions front four dominated our OL in pass blocking. And, if you noticed, our success running the ball was to the outside as well. Wilkinson and Rogers ate the OL's lunch all day in run defense.

Another question: why did Andre Johnson not run a single short crossing route all day long? Do you actually have to call yourself a "West Coast Offense" before you can send your best receivers on shallow crosses?
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I'd love to see what Harrington would have done if we were constantly collapsing the pocket and hitting him with seven men in coverage. The Lions front four dominated our OL in pass blocking. And, if you noticed, our success running the ball was to the outside as well. Wilkinson and Rogers ate the OL's lunch all day in run defense.

Another question: why did Andre Johnson not run a single short crossing route all day long? Do you actually have to call yourself a "West Coast Offense" before you can send your best receivers on shallow crosses?
One of reasons Joey doesn't get sacked much is becuase he makes his reads pretty quickly pre and post snap. He also has a quick release. In addition most of our routes and intermediate routes where you guys seem to run deeper routes.
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What bothers me the most is both Detroit's DTs were just blasting past our Pitts, McKinny, and Weigert, like they were statues. Is this a product of our guards being overrated or is the coaching staff finally being exposed as incompetent, or what is more likely a little of each?

Diminick Davis's fumbles are gonna keep haunting us until he does a better job of covering up the ball.

The offensive line again had trouble pass blocking in the first half. Sometimes the Detroit defense seemed to be on him before Carr even got the ball. Our bugaboo with the red zone showed its evil head again today. We just cannot move the ball when its inside the 10 yard line.
Don't feel to badly. Our Dline was doing the same thing last week against Chicago. Shawn Rogers is a load and headed to the Pro-Bowl he has been an alternate 2 of his 3 years in the league.
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With the receivers we have on this offense, why didn't we go downfield more and challenge the secondary. This offense is giving DD too many touches, while forgetting about Johnson, Bradford, etc. AJ may be the best athlete we have on this team and to have only 3 touches against Detroit is unbelievable.
I think it's b/c.....

1. The Lions were using the Cover 2 defense a lot (Capers mentioned this after the game). This should've gave some opportunities for Miller, Bruener, or Gaffney to go across the middle.....but....

2. Carr probably made his reads starting w/ AJ, then Bradford, then DD most of the time.

3. The Lions D-line > our O-line. Carr needs more time to throw. The O-line is still gelling w/ the new blocking scheme.

4. Conservative play-calling. IMO, the coaches should've stretched the field w/ 3 or 4 WR sets early in the game.

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We did challenge them. We just did it way too late in the game. I always wondered how come we don't ever go to a four wide receiver set on 3rd and 5 or so. Armstrong can and will be a very productive 3rd down receiver.
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Last night on Inside The GAme on ch. 13 Bob Allen asked Casserly we the Texans didn't throw deep in the 1st half. The best response Casserly had was, "Well, they played alot of cover 2 early.." What, did they just quit playing cover 2 in the second half? I doubt it, especially when it held Carr to only 70 yards in the 1st half.
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AJ was being covered by the best corner on the field today, Fernando Bryant.
ok so that is one what about the other 3 - bradford, gaff and armstrong, or maybe our te's . This offense did not die because one wr was covered by the best or why not let AJ make a play at least give him a chance not this timid **** we are doing now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Chris Cash the Lions Backup Nickle Conrer was covering AJ for most of the game. Bryant was on Bradford.
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