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Old 09-15-2006   #381
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well there was a general consensus among this MB(including me) that he was our best overall RB- has speed, was doing what kubiak tells him-not dancing(also what kind of message is that to be sending out to other players-morency had done what he had been told but was still gotten rid of), could pass block...etc. just because we couldnt run last week-due to philly's d-line overpowering our o-line (not because he played 'crap') you shouldn't get rid of arguably your best RB because of it...it reeks of a desperation move despite kubiak saying the trade happened '5 minutes b4 the game'
gado, from what i saw of him last year, is honest but limited...hes not fast on film and his moves are limited...im trying to make sense of the move but i just dont see it...plus im down already from last weekend and my optimism is fading fast....to me it looks like vernand was let go instead of lundy because lundy was kubiak's pick and not because lundy was better than him and that stuff kinda makes me disillusioned and makes me wonder if kubiak is as great a coach as everybody says...........or maybe im just waaaaaay overreacting
Couple of points.

1. Do you really think the coaching staff said "Damn, we couldn't run against the Eagles, let's trade Morency!" ?
Come on, man. Give them more credit than that. They didn't base this move on just whatever limited action Morency had in one game... your post reeks of over reaction.

2. Morency may well have been our best back ( I thought so), but that doesn't mean that:
A) he was very good at all
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B) Gado isn't better.


3. Maybe out of the two of them, the Texans would have preferred to trade Lundy, but GB didn't want him, who knows.


And one last thing. What the hell has Kubiak ever done or said to make you doubt that he's telling the truth about when the trade happened. Because you don't approve of the trade?

It's pretty easy to call someone that you've never met a liar from behind a computer monitor I guess.

*edit* Yes, I do believe you are waaaaay over reacting. But you can take solice in the fact that you're far from alone.


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Old 09-15-2006   #382
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Couple of points.

1. Do you really think the coaching staff said "Damn, we couldn't run against the Eagles, let's trade Morency!" ?
Come on, man. Give them more credit than that. They didn't base this move on just whatever limited action Morency had in one game... your post reeks of over reaction.

2. Morency may well have been our best back ( I thought so), but that doesn't mean that:
A) he was very good at all
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B) Gado isn't better.


3. Maybe out of the two of them, the Texans would have preferred to trade Lundy, but GB didn't want him, who knows.


And one last thing. What the hell has Kubiak ever done or said to make you doubt that he's telling the truth about when the trade happened. Because you don't approve of the trade?

It's pretty easy to call someone that you've never met a liar from behind a computer monitor I guess.

*edit* Yes, I do believe you are waaaaay over reacting. But you can take solice in the fact that you're far from alone.

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obviously i dont think their convo went like you said but i think maybe they felt like they had to do something to change it and chose to get rid of morency because he wasn't theirs....and lundy was which is why your no. 3 wasnt considered

to me..morency is a shiftier, faster rb than gado so to me he is a better rb..moreso when its reported that gado wasnt thriving in the ZBS

and sorry..but i think in the run up to his 1st ever competitive game kubiak's focus would be on philly and not on a trade...

put it like this- if kubiak is telling the truth ie-he was traded b4 the philly game...why was he played at all(i know it was limited carries but still)...wouldn't that be putting himself in a very awkward situation- what would he do if morency broke another long td run....sorry if you've unwaivering faith in him but i dont buy it at all
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Gado is faster and bigger than Morency. Morency is.. "technically"..more shifty. I say technically because he IS more shifty when he doesnt trip over a blade of grass and eat turf..which was about 50% of the time.
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obviously i dont think their convo went like you said but i think maybe they felt like they had to do something to change it and chose to get rid of morency because he wasn't theirs....and lundy was which is why your no. 3 wasn't considered
You're just speculating, and I'd be speculating if I said that I knew you were wrong, but it seems pretty obvious which RB they thought was better by virtue of the depth chart that they established.

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to me..morency is a shiftier, faster rb than gado so to me he is a better rb..moreso when its reported that gado wasnt thriving in the ZBS
I heard the thing about the ZBS too, but I heard today on 610 that Sherman said that we use (at times)the same blocking scheme that was used on Gado's 65yd TD last year.

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and sorry..but i think in the run up to his 1st ever competitive game kubiak's focus would be on philly and not on a trade...
I agree that his focus would be on the game, but teams make roster moves and trades all the time between games. He may have given his approval of the trade hours or even days in advance of the trade being finalized. Once he gave his go ahead, the rest of the deal would have been taken care of by Rick Smith. It's not like GK was on his cell phone with the Packers in the locker room while he was giving his pregame speech...

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put it like this- if kubiak is telling the truth ie-he was traded b4 the philly game...why was he played at all(i know it was limited carries but still)...wouldn't that be putting himself in a very awkward situation- what would he do if morency broke another long td run....sorry if you've unwaivering faith in him but i dont buy it at all
I agree with you here, but there weren't really a bunch of better options on the bench, plus, as you said, he was trying to win the game, not trying to avoid the potential of looking bad if Morency broke a run. Also, I don't know if I'd say I have unwavering faith in him, but he has been way more straight forward and truthful than just about any coach I have ever seen, and I can't think of any good reason for him to lie about this.


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I think in the preseason Morency looked great, I do not practice with the team and I am not aware of what plays have been called and how he graded out. What if he had those great runs but had three or four screw ups. We do not know the inside story if their is one. Maybe Sherman feels that Gado is the style of back we need, he is the assistant head coach!!! I do know Kubiak seemed really excited after practice. I guess we will see!
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Gado is faster and bigger than Morency. Morency is.. "technically"..more shifty. I say technically because he IS more shifty when he doesnt trip over a blade of grass and eat turf..which was about 50% of the time.
whatever..i love the way players go from good to bad when they leave the texans

and michaelm i know im probably getting too down about this...and you make some decent points but lets just agree to disagree...i think we got a raw deal though
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...but lets just agree to disagree...i think we got a raw deal though
I can get with that. As always, time will tell all.
I'm sure you're like I am, and hope that Gado will prove your concerns to be unfounded...Maybe we'll talk about it again later in the season and Gado will have grown on you..
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from what I hear it wasnt that VM couldnt play is that he had a attitude problem and the new coaching staff did not like that
I have talked to him before and you can tell he has some problems just by the way he carries himself
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Is it possible that Gado is a little bit more gritty and hard-nosed than Morency?

Could it be that Kubiak and Sherman feel that we need Domanick Davis' running style, which is less finesse (as we see in Morency) and more bulldog (like we saw in Domanick)?

I think this could be good thing.
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whatever..i love the way players go from good to bad when they leave the texans

and michaelm i know im probably getting too down about this...and you make some decent points but lets just agree to disagree...i think we got a raw deal though


Ive been chastising Morency for his tripping for 2 years.. so youre barkin up the wrong tree chief.
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Well I must say I am excited to see our stable of RBs this week, regardless of who is on the actual roster come sunday. Pretty sure we'll see Jane - I mean Dayne in on Bronco formations, Gado in on Packer formations, and Lundy running in and out all game long. Don't care who is successful as long as we do well. (Thats my positive thought of the day)
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Ive been chastising Morency for his tripping for 2 years.. so youre barkin up the wrong tree chief.
i spent, literally, 5 minutes searching

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Morency won me over in this game. I liked the physical way he played, i liked his speed, i liked how fast he hit the hole, and of course I liked his pass blocking.

Morency = 15 Carries a game
Lundy = 8-10 Carries a game


and to whoever said it-gado doesnt have homerun speed- more like DD speed...look at any film from last year..im not saying hes useless but dont make stuff up
basically thats what ive said in my last few posts-he was getting it and was our best rb.....
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The reason you didnt find anything is because I said the last two years, not the last 6 months. The forums only go back to this years draft.

I, like everyone else, liked what I saw out of Morency this offseason. But im not such a fool that I think we cant do without him. And im not so ignorant that I think he was invaluable to the team.

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look at any film from last year.
Quit talking out your ***.. I suppose you sit back on the weekends and watch film of Green Bay?


Why am I defending myself? Unless you are blind or stupid, you know that Morency had an issue staying on his feet.
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The reason you didnt find anything is because I said the last two years, not the last 6 months. The forums only go back to this years draft.

I, like everyone else, liked what I saw out of Morency this offseason. But im not such a fool that I think we cant do without him. And im not so ignorant that I think he was invaluable to the team.

Quit talking out your ***.. I suppose you sit back on the weekends and watch film of Green Bay?


Why am I defending myself? Unless you are blind or stupid, you know that Morency had an issue staying on his feet.
firstly-dont worry i didnt do an in-depth search or anything so there could be stuff there giving out about morency but i knew you- like everybody else- was impressed with him the last month...and then to just write him off because he used to trip up times in the capers era was stupid- a bit like saying 'when will the giants get rid of Tiki Barber and his pesky fumbling problems' last year..

yes morency HAD some problems staying on his feet during Dom's years but kubiak told him to change how he was running and stop dancing-which he did..and he didnt have those problems then in what we saw of him...and looked like he was thriving inthe new system

i dont think morency is invaluable- he was our best rb though (on a team that doesnt have much in that position) so im questioning why they got rid of them...and i cant find an answer yet - if he was old or injury prone id understand

and no, surprisingly enough, i dont study GB games every weekend..however i saw 2 of their games live last year and all their highlights.. and since gado was a bit of a story last year, id notice him more than normal..and you could see Gado isnt fast- hes adequate and thats about it..and im guessing he hasnt turned into a speedster in 9 months...he wasnt very shifty either although i did see him do a nice spin move 1 week(highlights) v SD i think
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Everything ive heard about Gado is that he has good speed. Good enough to run it in for a touchdown from 30-40 yards out.

I still saw Morency trip this offseason..though only a couple times. He was running well enough that it wasnt a huge problem..but he STILL had the issue.

As for Morency being the best RB on our team.. I think people here have done a pretty good job of breaking down just WHEN Morency played, and who he was playing against (2nd stringers)..though I agree he looked as good as Lundy most of the time..and better some of the time. As to "getting rid of our best RB".. well... at one point Matt Stevens was our best FS.. just cause he was the best one we had, that didnt make him good. Thats an extreme example but the point is the same. Id rather take a chance to get a great player, than take the safe road and keep our average one.
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The reason you didnt find anything is because I said the last two years, not the last 6 months. The forums only go back to this years draft.

I, like everyone else, liked what I saw out of Morency this offseason. But im not such a fool that I think we cant do without him. And im not so ignorant that I think he was invaluable to the team.



Quit talking out your ***.. I suppose you sit back on the weekends and watch film of Green Bay?


Why am I defending myself? Unless you are blind or stupid, you know that Morency had an issue staying on his feet.
Morency reminded me of Allen Pinkett
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Everything ive heard about Gado is that he has good speed. Good enough to run it in for a touchdown from 30-40 yards out.

I still saw Morency trip this offseason..though only a couple times. He was running well enough that it wasnt a huge problem..but he STILL had the issue.

As for Morency being the best RB on our team.. I think people here have done a pretty good job of breaking down just WHEN Morency played, and who he was playing against (2nd stringers)..though I agree he looked as good as Lundy most of the time..and better some of the time. As to "getting rid of our best RB".. well... at one point Matt Stevens was our best FS.. just cause he was the best one we had, that didnt make him good. Thats an extreme example but the point is the same. Id rather take a chance to get a great player, than take the safe road and keep our average one.
like i said adequate speed..ie theres no slow rb in the nfl..hes not a breakaway runner in my mind though..

referring to the last line of your post(i agree), i can say with reasonable certainty, from what ive seen, that morency has the better physical attributes to be a good/great rb....which is why im so confused/ down about this trade

as to his tripping...well we can say he's vastly improved that in the short time kubiak was here...and likely would've/will get better still...also if morency was our best rb then he should've been kept no matter what that says about our rb group...


hopefully gado will surprise me and be much better but right now id bet against it
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Well I didn't get to see the game today, how did Gado and Dayne look?
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Gado > Morency

Other than 1 dropped pass he looked good
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Other than 1 dropped pass he looked good
Gato to me looked faster than our other backs when he hit the crease. I think he will be the starter by the time we get to the Dallas game.
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