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Old 09-19-2004   #1
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Default I'm glad we have Carr

In my opinion, it is very clear who the better QB is. Carr started very slow, but picked it up greatly in the 2nd quarter on. Harrington's arm is much weaker than I thought and I continue to see him benefiting from the amazing catches of his receivers. He is not very accurate and likes to throw the ball to guys who are covered thoroughly.

You look at the numbers and they show you who won the battle of the QB's. Turnovers and defense cost us this game. Its a simple diagnosis that is very clear. Carr moved the ball at will, but when you turn it over week after week, you will lose to everyone. DD better pick it up becuase IMO he's a big reason why we are 0-2 right now.

WHERE'S THE PASS DEFENSE? 28 points to Detroit is rediculous.
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Harrington is a scrappy QB, and he made a real good throw to Williams for
the TD (Williams, though, made a super play - he is good), and did some scrambling, but he's not in the same category as Carr. He can only dream about the gun that Carr has. Carr made a play (the checkoff and then TD to Bradford), that only people like Farve and Elway make.
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I'll take the guy who has thrown More TD's
Won More Games

Won that game

Anyday (while I wish to myself , why can't Joey throw harder)
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I'd say almost the reverse. Harrington appeared to me to be the better QB today. Possibly in the long run that may change but Harrington is IMO ahead of Carr at this time.
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I said it before, I'll say it again. If Carr had Harrington's pass protection (O_line), he'd be a lot farther along. Joey looked great today.
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Harrington already has 5 come from behind victories in the 4th quarter. Carr seems to save the worst for the 4th quarter though today after the 1st half he was good.
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I care about wins and only wins. Harrington is 2-0 and Carr is 0-2 this season. I'd pick Harrington today....
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DD turns it over 4 times in 2 games. Teams scored off of each turnover. Yup, he has to bear a great deal of the responsibility for both losses. Not all, but a great deal of it. The Defense probably bears MOST of the rest of the blame.
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I'd say almost the reverse. Harrington appeared to me to be the better QB today.
He's certainly in a better offense. Up 5 with 12 minutes left in the game, the Lions call 8 pass plays on a 12 play TD drive. That's how you cut the heart out of an opponent. That's how you win a football game.
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Let's put this to rest, Joey had 114+ passer rating today. What did Carr have? (I really don't know, I'm asking). Don't forget, the "#1" WR for the Lions was out.

Today, Joey was better. Let's leave it at that. No, But he was in bounds, but RW made that play, etc...The game was what it was, admit the defeat and let it go.
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Carr's was 103, also very good.
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I said it before, I'll say it again. If Carr had Harrington's pass protection (O_line), he'd be a lot farther along. Joey looked great today.
You beat me to it. I think Carr did great considering he was constantly being pressured. But Harrington's last drive was the nail in the coffin. Up until that point he had a below average performance, but that drive was crucial to their victory and he stepped up. I'm sure I'm not the only one who prefers victories to more yardage and ratings.
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Let's put this to rest, Joey had 114+ passer rating today. What did Carr have? (I really don't know, I'm asking). Don't forget, the "#1" WR for the Lions was out.

Today, Joey was better. Let's leave it at that. No, But he was in bounds, but RW made that play, etc...The game was what it was, admit the defeat and let it go.
I'll say it again, Harrington is not in Carr's league and thats so because he doesn't have half the arm that Carr has. But on the subject of the better team, the Lions won today and deserved to win and I hereby accept the defeat. And I do wish the Lions good luck this season. I wish we had those
big downline they've got along with quite a few other players on their team -
like the kick returner.
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Carr Checked down to Dominick Davis 11 times

Joey completed a pass to 9 different recievers.

Joey was working with a Rookie WR
A Rookie RB, and a Solid Oline in the WCO offense, and lost his Go to WR the previous week. Joey has had 1 coaching change since being in Detroit, and major offensive injuries every year


Carr was working with a 1000 yard WR, a 1000 yard RB in a less complex offense, behind a below average oline. Carr has had 0 coaching changes with the core of starters each year.

Carr came up with some big plays

Joey matched it, and clinched the game.


But, yeah, Carr throws hard, So does Jeff George
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Carr Checked down to Dominick Davis 11 times

Joey completed a pass to 9 different recievers.

Joey was working with a Rookie WR
A Rookie RB, and a Solid Oline in the WCO offense, and lost his Go to WR the previous week.
I wouldn't consider Rogers a go to receiver. I think you have to earn that distinction and he hasn't done that yet. Streets and Az-Hakim are great fits and more than make up for Rogers in the short term.
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I wouldn't consider Rogers a go to receiver. I think you have to earn that distinction and he hasn't done that yet. Streets and Az-Hakim are great fits and more than make up for Rogers in the short term.
Rogers was lights-out for an incredible strech last year. He is clearly the Lions "go-to" WR
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I wouldn't consider Rogers a go to receiver. I think you have to earn that distinction and he hasn't done that yet. Streets and Az-Hakim are great fits and more than make up for Rogers in the short term.
Rogers was Joey's go to WR, this was clear in the 5 reg season games, and any time durring preseason.
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Natraully, none of this matters, because football is the ultimate team game
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Come on ya'll, is Carr suppose to run along side of DD and make sure he doesn't drop the ball inside the RED ZONE...AGAIN? Or is he suppose to play on special teams and make sure they stop the 99 YARD RETURN>>> This can get ridiculous...he is leading the NFL this weekend in passing yards (312), had 2(up the field) TD's & yes 1Int. He finished with a 109% passing rating and OH lets dump on the guy after he ran for his life MOST all day! Did you happen to notice how many times he picked himself up off the grass?? Or how many times he was flushed out of the pocket and survived. Zack W. got burned more times than our defense. Do any of you watch the game or just look at ESPN after the game for the recap? NEITHER QB could get in a rhythm, until they made adjustments at half. They are both talented QB's, but my money is on CARR (that's my right) and all of you naysayers can just sit by, complain to your hearts content and watch him become what Mr. McNair saw and believed in when he drafted him. We'll check back down the road and see if you all are still here, or gone on to dish out vile on someone else. Yes I'd prefer a WIN as well, won't settle for nothing less, but put the blame where it belongs and not on one man's shoulders. It's called a TEAM effort, you win as a team and you loose as a team. The Lion's did a nice job and deserve the credit for the win as well, nothing more, nothing less. GO TEXAN'S!!
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To say either Joey or DC is better right now is pointless. They are both so young and have a decade left in their careers. Let's just agree that as of right now, neither one is Brett Favre.
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