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Old 09-10-2006   #1
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First: the defense

We simply did not get much pressure on McNabb, enabling him to pick the secondary apart. Westbrook didn't help either.

The offense:

No running game, nada. With offense being run-oriented, you have to be successful running the ball. Neither Lundy or Morency was effective.

But . . . I made a comment earlier this week that I'd be willing to eat a loss, if only I could see concrete evidence that Kubiak was indeed making progress with the Carr project. I wanted to see if there was light at the end of the tunnel.

Well, today, I definately saw that light. As a matter of fact, I think David Carr played his best game in all his 5 years of being here. He wasn't perfect, but I saw poise from him today, I saw him step up into the pocket and hit his receivers downfield . . against an Eagles defense . . . without a running game.

A loss is a loss is a loss . . . but I saw progess. I'll take it.
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Good observations. I'll state what I put in the game thread, as it seems to fit better here:


Props to Carr today. He looked like a competant NFL QB out there. Payton Manning or Brady good? No, but he just needs to be what he was today. He had a better game today to my eyes that any of the 16 last year. He didn't just settle for the easy dump off, looking downfield often, and spread the ball around. Other than the one slip on the turf, and holding the ball too long a couple of times, he was very good today. I hope to see more of this from Carr. If so, we have a bright future. I give Carr a solid B+ today.

What I want to know is where is the balls to the wall, all out aggressive blitzkrieg defense of Richard Smith? They looked very much on thier heels all day, and let the Eagles dictate the tempo. In short, they looked like a carbon copy of last years "read and react" D. If I were Kubes, I would be reaming out Richard Smith. The Defense was simply awful. F

And, to throw in my 2 cents, I have said it till I was blue in the face for months. I finally stopped saying it, becase I was tired of the usual homerism. Saying your favorite team made a mistake is a punishable offense around here. But, who cares. This is a forum to state your opinion. So, I will say it again - Passing up Bush was a huge mistake, and will come back to bite them in the ass over and over again.
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Carr to AJ and Moulds was the only good thing ot come out of today.

Our other game sucked:
OL Protection - Decent
HB/FB/TE protection - Abysmal
Running Game - Deplorable
DL - Disgustingly embarassing
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Mcnabb faked out the defense several times today, he owned the Texas D in the second half.......:brickwall
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Ummm....

I have made a long-term commitment to the belief that David Carr could be salvaged. I am not impressed with his performance today.

He killed two drives by tripping on his own, and trying to dance down the chalk when he had plenty of room to stay close to the sideline without risking stepping on the line. That's a potential 2 TDs worth of drives that HE killed all by himself.

O line pass blocking was awful in the second half. None of our TEs picked up big blocks on the guys they were engaging. Our RBs had the same problem. I don't recal seeing audibles by Carr into better plays, and instead saw us getting our arses handed to us all second half.

I felt the Eagles got away with holding on most of their running plays, with blockers grabbing the outside edges of Texans defenders' pads and hanging onto it as Westbrook went around the edges on his big runs.

And we lost. Which always pretty much sucks.
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And, to throw in my 2 cents, I have said it till I was blue in the face for months. I finally stopped saying it, becase I was tired of the usual homerism. Saying your favorite team made a mistake is a punishable offense around here. But, who cares. This is a forum to state your opinion. So, I will say it again - Passing up Bush was a huge mistake, and will come back to bite them in the ass over and over again.
You may indeed be right, Porky. But if it was . . it was Kubiak's mistake. And IMO, I got to wait a couple of years before I decide he indeed made one.
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Mcnabb faked out the defense several times today, he owned the Texas D in the second half.......:brickwall
that is what happens when an Offense can establish the run
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You may indeed be right, Porky. But if it was . . it was Kubiak's mistake. And IMO, I got to wait a couple of years before I decide he indeed made one.
Bush would have held the Eagles under 400 yards offense
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Ummm....

I have made a long-term commitment to the belief that David Carr could be salvaged. I am not impressed with his performance today.

He killed two drives by tripping on his own, and trying to dance down the chalk when he had plenty of room to stay close to the sideline without risking stepping on the line. That's a potential 2 TDs worth of drives that HE killed all by himself.

O line pass blocking was awful in the second half. None of our TEs picked up big blocks on the guys they were engaging. Our RBs had the same problem. I don't recal seeing audibles by Carr into better plays, and instead saw us getting our arses handed to us all second half.

I felt the Eagles got away with holding on most of their running plays, with blockers grabbing the outside edges of Texans defenders' pads and hanging onto it as Westbrook went around the edges on his big runs.

And we lost. Which always pretty much sucks.
I think that you didn't watch the game for what it was, if you think Carr was the reason why we lost. Our Defense looked like crap and Carr played just fine. You are a troll.
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We just got beat by a better team. They adjusted and we did not. I thought we came out with heart and emotion, but they just made better plays and better play calling on their part.

I dont think anyone looked to bad but our O-line and PUTZier who looked horrible with the dropped pass in his hands and the pathetic attempt to block Kearse...Then again that is the scheme and is on the coach rather than Putzier.
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Carr to AJ and Moulds was the only good thing ot come out of today.

Our other game sucked:
OL Protection - Decent
HB/FB/TE protection - Abysmal
Running Game - Deplorable
DL - Disgustingly embarassing
LB Corp - Terrible
Secondary - Hit or miss, especially given the DL
I have been ripping the LB Corp all offseason and preseason. Demeco looked pretty good, Greenwood still showed that he likes to hit people... after 5 yards, but I had to eat crow on that because he had a nice stop for no gain in the fourth ... you know, when we all knew they were running to kill clock ... but I digress.

LB Corp - Not terrible, Bad to below average.
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Face it....the Iggles are generally a better team with a Coaching staff and scheme that has been quite successful for many years. Houston on the other hand is starting relatively new on both sides. There is gonna be a definative learning curve on both sides of the ball. To expect immediate results, day one, against a quality opponent is a bit much. The key is to watch the progression through the season. And please leave Bush outta it. He had, what 60yrds or so against the Browns. Do you really think he would have done better against Philly. Just look what they did to the Chargers running game last year.
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QB = C+ He needs to deliver in the Red Zone and pick up the blitz
HB = D - Where were the guys during the first Quarter
OL = B - Played well to have 7 men comming every second and third down
DL = F Mario is going to take alot of work to become a DT because the _ Texans dont seem to like the idea of rushing him off the edge!

LB = C Played well on the inside rush but could not stop the Toss. Very weak pass protection.
DB = A- Only gave up one really huge play because of bad reads. It is hard to defend the pass when you give McNabb 7 seconds to sit in the pocket.
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Jameel Cook blew up someone and then made the tackle on the first kickoff. Sweet play Jameel!!!

Carr looked better which is encouraging. He made some good throws, scrambled out of one or two potential sacks, and generally looked more poised in the pocket. He's far from Brady but he was better than he has been. I'm with Kubiak in that as long as he improves each week we will be ok as a team.

Our running game sucked DONKEY @#$%!!!!!!

CC Brown bit on the play action and left Stallworth open by 30 yards!!! I swear that Andy Reid turned to someone on the sidelines and said "watch this" before the play. He knew Brown would bite.

Mario Williams played bad. Maybe he needs to lose weight or something because he looks like he has no speed.

Peek ran sideline to sideline faster than Demeco on a McNabb scramble.

Our Linebackers are brutal. Orr is slow and Greenwood is as physical as a dead fish handshake.

Looked like we really did rotate our guards throughout the game.

Nice trip Carr, see you next fall.

Flanagan wasn't quick enough on a screen and the play ended up a loss for 5 yards.

Putz and Morency gave up one sack each. :brickwall

Our defense SUCKS!!!

I swear Sanders gave Greg Lewis a first down. Sanders was sitting at the first down line and waited for Greg Lewis to run at him.
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I think that you didn't watch the game for what it was, if you think Carr was the reason why we lost. Our Defense looked like crap and Carr played just fine. You are a troll.
I'm not a troll. I just have high standards for the guy I have defended since our last regular season game. I get that much: I get to break him down when I've spent more time on this board in a weekend than you've spent in an entire year.

Facts: He killed two drives by himself when we had GREAT momentum. Two drives that "might" have resulted in 2 TDs. But we'll never know, will we?

You and your 138 posts have no place to label me a "troll."

You guys who have "The Woodlands" as your location seem to have a knack for acting like you know everything and everyone else is stupid.
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Jameel Cook blew up someone and then made the tackle on the first kickoff. Sweet play Jameel!!!

Carr looked better which is encouraging. He made some good throws, scrambled out of one or two potential sacks, and generally looked more poised in the pocket. He's far from Brady but he was better than he has been. I'm with Kubiak in that as long as he improves each week we will be ok as a team.

Our running game sucked DONKEY @#$%!!!!!!

CC Brown bit on the play action and left Stallworth open by 30 yards!!! I swear that Andy Reid turned to someone on the sidelines and said "watch this" before the play. He knew Brown would bite.

Mario Williams played bad. Maybe he needs to lose weight or something because he looks like he has no speed.

Peek ran sideline to sideline faster than Demeco on a McNabb scramble.

Our Linebackers are brutal. Orr is slow and Greenwood is as physical as a dead fish handshake.

Looked like we really did rotate our guards throughout the game.

Nice trip Carr, see you next fall.

Flanagan wasn't quick enough on a screen and the play ended up a loss for 5 yards.

Putz and Morency gave up one sack each. :brickwall

Our defense SUCKS!!!

I swear Sanders gave Greg Lewis a first down. Sanders was sitting at the first down line and waited for Greg Lewis to run at him.
You saw that one too! I was so angry man. To his credit thought, he played some nice coverage in the game.
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You saw that one too! I was so angry man. To his credit thought, he played some nice coverage in the game.
Que? They threw at Drob about 3 times during the game, most everything else was agianst Sanders...he was brutal at times
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Que? They threw at Drob about 3 times during the game, most everything else was agianst Sanders...he was brutal at times
If he had held on to those 2 picks, you wouldn't be complaining, I'm more aggrivated with the safety coverage, and the time he should have hit Lewis sooner.
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The passing game looked very good in the first quarter.

We had absolutely no running game at all today.

David Carr looked good. He didn't play as well in the 2nd-4th quarters as he did in the 1st, but he didn't play horrible in those other 3 quarters either. He'll improve week by week under Kubiak and by the end of the year, I feel he'll be a very good QB.

Mario Williams sucked. You can't spin it any other way. He was bad.

All our other defensive linemen were bad also. We put absolutely ZERO pass rush on McNabb.

Lewis Sanders shouldn't be starting. He made a few contributions and had some good pass coverage at times, but most of the time Donte Stallworth got the best of him.

Demeco Ryans is going to be good. Real good.

Chad Stanley is awesome.

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Don't have much new to say...

- Carr looked good. Not great, he didn't go out and win the game on his own shoulders, but considering the circumstances he played like a good starter against a good D. I'm very pleased with what I saw from him, and if he continues to improve we're going to be a much better team than last year.

- Moulds and AJ looked good.

- Our running game sucked, period. Big let down for me, I thought it'd be much improved. Our backs weren't that bad, but the blocking got their lunch handed to them by the Eagles D.

- Mario won't get sacks every game, but he looked fairly pedestrian to my untrained eyes, hopefully he gives us something to cheer about as the season progresses.

- Lewis Sanders and Dunta looked alright to me, alot of the big plays they have up were due to no pass rush. Sanders is good enough to step in at #2 CB, IMO.

- Demeco is going to be a great player for us.

- Babin was outperforming Peek on the edge rush.


That's about it, the bottom line is we got dominated in the trenches. Until either our OL or DL can beat the opposing line consistently, we're going to lose. I thought we did a good job improving our lines in the off-season, but Philly's lines are still considerably better or atleast are playing better together at this point.
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