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Old 09-19-2004   #21
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And I think Capers would have more credibility as a no-nonsense coach if he would've applied the same policy to Davis that he did to Mack last year: you fumble the ball twice, you sit down. It would've given us a chance to let Hollings give him a break and fumble it in Davis' place awhile. (Just kidding...)
Hollings was on the inactive list with a knee injury. Should be back for KC.

The Texan coaching staff will have all season to iron this out. Probably '05 as well. You're right that these are the players they've assembled. They'll live or die with them.
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Old 09-19-2004   #22
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Alot of us were saying 8-8.

The truth is there are a combination of things going wrong, plus the fact the team is trying to break-in two rookie starters on defense. The coaches are trying, but it just takes awhile for the lessons to be learned. I think we will get agonizingly better as each game goes by. The main thing though, is they better find a pass rush on defense and get a lot better picking up the various blitzes on offense when we are being pass rushed. And of course, the turnovers have got to stop. The K.C. game is really going to test our cajones.
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Are coach is horrible it isn't hard to tell what plays we were going run, our offense is so predictable, don't get me wrong im a big Domanick Davis fan, but you don't run 2 plays n then throw it on 3rd down when we have 4 explosive wide receivers thats just bad play calling
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I suspect given Capers tendencies that the other team is loading up the box looking for DD. That in fact makes it much more likely that you are going to have a fumble. When you are on the 15 yard line (10 + CP's false start) and make no attempt at the end zone, tells you every thing you need to know. We were behind at that point in time. I would also say, at the end of the game, kick a field goal and then you still have time to go for the TD with an onside kick. Why waste time trying to score. Take the certain score with Chris and try your on side kick. If it fails you might still stop them defensively. You have to have another possession anyway. We have an awful lot of offensive potential and we are doing nothing to take advantage of it. Capers has tunnel vision and can only in vision the run. When you run the ball you generally have to have three runs in a row to make the 10. With the pass you only need to make 1 out of 3. In fact that's what happened with Harrington a number of times. It was strike one, strike two, oh wow, home run. Oh, and Yes, fire the entire coaching staff.
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Capers has another big problem. He wants to employ an offense based on having a big durable dominating back. He doesn't have that in DD. What he has is a potentially dominating arial attack with a back who can make a H*** a lot of yardage when the other team begins to look for the pass rather than the run. Talent wise this team would look much better running a West Coast type of offense. We need to think pass 1st, then run. Later in the 2nd half DD did well when they were looking for the PASS. What Capers wants is not what he has. He seems to be incapable of adjusting. As much as I dislike Parcels, his 1st comments when he reached Dallas were to the affect you have to look at what you have and do the best you can with what you have. You have to adapt to what your players can do best, not what you can do best.
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400 plus yards total offense. Ive never seen the Texans move the ball so well between the red zone. Ive also never seen so many turn overs at critical times. Why stop running when your gaining big chunks of yards. Everybody knew Vince Lambardis Breen Bay Packers right sweep was coming too. He used to say, "So lets see you stop it!" The fact is every time the Texans gain big yardage or make a momentum changing play they do something to screw it up with stupid mistakes and turnovers. The O-Coach doesnt fumble and the D-coach doesnt get a roughing the passer penalty to nulify an interception. The secondary coach doesnt face guard a receiver while he is trying to catch the ball. These are pro-bowlers making mistakes folks. They already know how to play the game.
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400 plus yards total offense. Ive never seen the Texans move the ball so well between the red zone. Ive also never seen so many turn overs at critical times. Why stop running when your gaining big chunks of yards. Everybody knew Vince Lambardis Breen Bay Packers right sweep was coming too. He used to say, "So lets see you stop it!" The fact is every time the Texans gain big yardage or make a momentum changing play they do something to screw it up with stupid mistakes and turnovers. The O-Coach doesnt fumble and the D-coach doesnt get a roughing the passer penalty to nulify an interception. The secondary coach doesnt face guard a receiver while he is trying to catch the ball. These are pro-bowlers making mistakes folks. They already know how to play the game.
I am going to wait until after the bye to determine how well we are doing. The OL is going to be outstanding by then. Your geuss is as good as mine with the defense. They are not playing inspired football right now. It may be because of the lack of blitz's. ST has not done that bad of a job except one play. I may not understand why you run the ball in the 4th quarter when down by more than a TD, but its their jobs on the line.
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.... This staff has assembled some real talent, and they deserve a chance to salvage this season.
Maybe so, but at what point are the coaches going to try to get inside the players heads?
Are they even capable of it? That is the big question.
They are doing a lousy job! It looks like Sunday at the neighborhood park with them..
The talent is there. But the players truly look undisciplined. Watching the sidelines, the players & coaches .. did you see anyone looking like they even cared what was happening. Capers was daydreaming.. staring and taking his notes as always, Carr was grinning ... guess it was that funny!
If the main players of the organization don't care, why should anyone else..
If you want to watch intense pro football ... tune into one of the other games.
I don't know if the Texans can hit a lower low then they are at right now.
Guess we'll find out as they muddle thru the season.
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Maybe so, but at what point are the coaches going to try to get inside the players heads?
Are they even capable of it? That is the big question.
They are doing a lousy job! It looks like Sunday at the neighborhood park with them..
The talent is there. But the players truly look undisciplined. Watching the sidelines, the players & coaches .. did you see anyone looking like they even cared what was happening. Capers was daydreaming.. staring and taking his notes as always, Carr was grinning ... guess it was that funny!
If the main players of the organization don't care, why should anyone else..
If you want to watch intense pro football ... tune into one of the other games.
I don't know if the Texans can hit a lower low then they are at right now.
Guess we'll find out as they muddle thru the season.
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I've noticed this too and was wondering what it is all about. It seems to me that a lot of the other head coaches carry play selection sheets with them and have a lot of input into the playcalling. If Capers needs to know what happened after the game he doesn't need notes, there's always game film.
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I suspect given Capers tendencies that the other team is loading up the box looking for DD. That in fact makes it much more likely that you are going to have a fumble.
Davis' fumbles weren't the result of bone-jarring stuffs at the LOS. Both came while he had already picked up a few yards - one towards the middle of the field and one towards the sideline. Davis just did a poor job of protecting the ball.

Bad coaching is sometimes a valid argument, but not when it comes to coughing the ball up 4 times and a 3 year vet. having 2 false starts in one game. The bottom line is that if Davis hangs on to the ball we're 2 - 0 and none of these Fire Coach X. comments exist.
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I must say....you guys are doing a mighty fine job of making me hate our coaching staff....
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Some of this criticism just sounds foolish. Two weeks ago everyone admitted there would be growing pains and most of the board agreed that the beginning of the season would be rough. I'll admit I didn't expect anything this bad but give it a rest. It's one thing to criticize the coaches and players and I am all for people expressing their opinions, but it's another to just babble on about how "they all suck, fire them all" after week two.

This team is built around winners and the fact that the losses were due to lack of discipline and not a lack of talent tells me they will get this thing turned around. These guys won't like being at the rock bottom of the NFL for long and they will be out to prove to the NFL that they can and will overcome these setbacks.
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They all suck. Fire them all!!!!

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I've seen the "Caper note taking" brought up a few times... I believe I heard or saw somewhere that's his play selection sheet (though not as big and colorful and laminated like other coaches)... but he keeps his notes on it as to what worked, what didn't and the results of the play. These notes to be used during the rest of the game for future plays.

I'd rather see the calmness of a leader (coach / QB) than one that screams on the sidelines, gets rattled, and throws objects around.... that was a bit extreme I guess, but not sure if that's what some of you are looking for.
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I've seen the "Caper note taking" brought up a few times... I believe I heard or saw somewhere that's his play selection sheet (though not as big and colorful and laminated like other coaches)... but he keeps his notes on it as to what worked, what didn't and the results of the play. These notes to be used during the rest of the game for future plays.
I'd rather see the calmness of a leader (coach / QB) than one that screams on the sidelines, gets rattled, and throws objects around.... that was a bit extreme I guess, but not sure if that's what some of you are looking for.
Bold Mine CAC

Guess that explains the 11 dumpoffs down the middle to Davis.

Wonder why we didn't throw another TD pass to Johnson, that worked too.

Actually Im not disappointed with the O except for the turnovers.
Our D, however, seems to be out to lunch.

Not looking for an argument A2Z I know its just perception, but Capers just doesnt inspire confidence in me. But he's probably the best coach for this team at this time.
Gotta vent someplace, wife won't let me do it at home. :o
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Old 09-21-2004   #36
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what can you say about the last coaching fiasco? i have seen little league football teams better prepared than the texans were sunday. if any of the coaches cashes their weekly paycheck they should be charged with fraud. i went through a great deal of grief to make sure i would be in texas to see the first two games. i thought only the oilers could break my heart so easily. i stand corrected. my fault for thinking maybe this "houston football team" would be a little different. the approach taken by the coaching staff was disgraceful and not even worthy of an amateur effort.
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Please step off the bandwagon immediately. We don't need this kind of fan anyways. The approach in both games have been managed well by the coaching staff. Our offense got into the redzone, our players fumbled or threw ints. You can't blame a coach for that. If we don't fumble and actually put the ball in the endzone, you would see a totally dominant offensive Houston Texans machine.
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what can you say about the last coaching fiasco? i have seen little league football teams better prepared than the texans were sunday. if any of the coaches cashes their weekly paycheck they should be charged with fraud. i went through a great deal of grief to make sure i would be in texas to see the first two games. i thought only the oilers could break my heart so easily. i stand corrected. my fault for thinking maybe this "houston football team" would be a little different. the approach taken by the coaching staff was disgraceful and not even worthy of an amateur effort.
Care to add any analysis or specific examples to go with that opinion? Otherwise this is going in the Fire Everybody thread.
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I am really tired of THESE fans who are coming out of the woodwork already. If you think it's so easy, why don't you build your own team? Or maybe you should go jump on the Titans bandwagon...
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Although I have been a little critical of some of the game plans/schemes/ and various calls on both sides, the bottom line is that if the offense hangs on to the rock, we are at least 1-1, and perhaps 2-0. The coaches aren't on the field when that happens. There's enough blame to spread around among the players, coaches, and front office for the 0-2 start. To pin it all on the coaches, without any analysis, comes accross as a knee jerk, troll like post. Come back if you can add anything of substance to your rant.
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