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Old 09-09-2006   #1
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OK here is the sack tracking thread for the regular season. Hopefully it gets very little use. To maybe (like this is going to happen) avoid 20 page fights over some responsibility, let's try to go with a primarily responsible, most (51%) at fault standard.
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OK here is the sack tracking thread for the regular season. Hopefully it gets very little use. To maybe (like this is going to happen) avoid 20 page fights over some responsibility, let's try to go with a primarily responsible, most (51%) at fault standard.

Good luck on your well intended thought............
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OK here is the sack tracking thread for the regular season. Hopefully it gets very little use. To maybe (like this is going to happen) avoid 20 page fights over some responsibility, let's try to go with a primarily responsible, most (51%) at fault standard.
While I agree with your thought and standards I think in reality the only people qualified to really say who was responsible is the coaching staff and the coach calling the play. I say that, because so often there are many factors in a SACK. While it might appear that someone obviously missed an assignment it still could be a function of what someone else was suppose to do and didn't do and that might not be so obvious. I simply would hope we didn't have them and this subject could go away as a major factor in the ball games this year. Actually, there are times when a Sack, as bad as it is, may be better than the other available options.
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I thought it was always the QBs fault.
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While I agree with your thought and standards I think in reality the only people qualified to really say who was responsible is the coaching staff and the coach calling the play.
Sure, but sacks are going to be discussed on the MB so there might as well be one spot to talk about it and keep an ongoing MB accounting.
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Sure, but sacks are going to be discussed on the MB so there might as well be one spot to talk about it and keep an ongoing MB accounting.
I hope your standards are met.....
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I think most of the sacks are obvious. Probably around 20-30% or so are due to factors we are not aware of watching on tv or from our seats at the stadium. This is a good way to at least have intelligent debate about this subject instead of always just assuming the line is at fault 100% of the time like some folks do.
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I think most of the sacks are obvious. Probably around 20-30% or so are due to factors we are not aware of watching on tv or from our seats at the stadium. This is a good way to at least have intelligent debate about this subject instead of always just assuming the line is at fault 100% of the time like some folks do.
According to McClain, 20 of 208 were Carrs fault. That calculates close to 9.6%.

But yea, I think it is an awesome idea to keep our eyes on the situation this season. Personally I think we will see some progress in that that 9.6% will be far less this season.
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According to McClain, 20 of 208 were Carrs fault. That calculates close to 9.6%.
McClain did not specify what time period was reviewed for the 20 sacks but the implication was 20 of last year's 68 sacks. Around 9-11 of those were running out of bounds from 0-2 yds behind the line of scrimmage, i.e. dumb mistakes.
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According to McClain, 20 of 208 were Carrs fault. That calculates close to 9.6%.

But yea, I think it is an awesome idea to keep our eyes on the situation this season. Personally I think we will see some progress in that that 9.6% will be far less this season.
Kubiak himself said that Carr sacked himself over 20x last year. Your spin is weak young Luke, but consistent.
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2 sacks so far...both on the line/blocking.
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I saw:

1 on Morency (dove into the ground and sacker leaped over him)
1 on Putzier (just couldn't handle Kearse)
1 on Carr (tripped, got back up and sacked as soon as he was up)

1 other where the blitzes just came through, not sure whose fault that was.
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i think 2 today were on carr. once he tripped and once he didnt see an obvious blitz coming.
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I'm sure I got them all in the game thread.
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i think 2 today were on carr. once he tripped and once he didnt see an obvious blitz coming.

I agree with you on the trip, however, the blitz came from his blind side and he had no time to do anything. . . .they were all over him before he even realized.
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The obvious one where he triped is on carr. one was morency, one putzier and a couple came from the weakside. on these two sacks the argument that "he should have thrown the ball away" dosnt work because he couldnt see them coming and we have no idea where the ball was supposed to go on the given play. 1 out of 5 on carr, probably two on the O-line, although im not sure.
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I agree with you on the trip, however, the blitz came from his blind side and he had no time to do anything. . . .they were all over him before he even realized.
yes they were all over him quick. but they showed blitz there were to many men to block on that side of the line he has to see that before the ball is snaped.
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Here is what I saw:

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2nd qtr 8:40--Morency tries to dive block DE and submarines it letting him virtually unopposed to QB. Without game film can't tell if Carr could have dumped but certainly a failure by the RB.

2nd qtr 2:00--totally unblocked safety blitz from the blind side. Could be Carr's failure to read the play or TE failing to chip--probably Carr failing to read and audible but quesswork.

3rd qtr 8:22--Putzier beat horribly by Kearse. All on Putz.

3rd qtr 4:32--Carr trips. From slo mo it looks like Flannigan or McKinney steps on Carr's forward foot. IMO no one's fault--crap happens.
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