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Old 09-01-2006   #1
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Exclamation Carr vs. Sage

You knew this thread was coming back.

I want to get everyones assesment after the pre-season on the 2 QB's for our beloved Texans. My take:

Carr: I understand he is playing 1's against 1's, and that is more dificult. But my problem with him has focused on his decision making. His WR stare down. His unwillingness to throw downfield. How many times did I see the kid roll out with nobody in 10-15 yards of him, only to see him throw 5 yards to someone who is covered. He doest scan the field as well as I would like either.

Sage: Like I said, Sage isnt playing against the 1's, but he also isnt using our #1's. But so far he has looked very good. He does a good job of looking off defenders, something even Porter/Pickett do. He views the field well, and finds the receivers down the field.

To say the least, I have been dissapointed with Carr, and Happy with Sage. I know Kubiak stands behind Carr, and I hope he proves me wrong on this by making Carr a great QB, but I think Carr will be the demise of this team.

Let me hear what you think? And while you do that, here are some stats to chew on.

David Carr
Att: 44
Comp: 28
Yards: 250
TD's: 0
Int: 1
Sacked: 3

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Att: 51
Comp: 32
Yards: 329
TD's: 4
Int: 0
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Let me hear what you think? And while you do that, here are some stats to chew on.
"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable" - Mark Twain


If Carr goes down this season due to injury. God help us. Sage isn't the answer as much as I and everyone on here would like him to be.


Hopefully Carr becomes the guy we thought we were drafting. If not....it should be an interesting off season.
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Somebody kill this thread please!:brickwall
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"Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable" - Mark Twain


If Carr goes down this season due to injury. God help us. Sage isn't the answer as much as I and everyone on here would like him to be.


Hopefully Carr becomes the guy we thought we were drafting. If not....it should be an interesting off season.
So what has Carr done to make you believe he is, and what has Sage done to make you believe he isn't ? And don't give me the "he's only played three games" answer...that response is overated...
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HELL, PICKETT LOOKED GOOD LAST NIGHT! MAYBE HE SHOULD START OVER CARR TOO! THROW PORTER IN THERE TOO! WHY DO WE EVEN NEED DAVID CARR WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH POTENTIAL ON THE BENCH! OMG!

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I love how everyones response to my query is to state that this thread is "beating a dead horse"

Listen, if you dont want to debate it, leave the thread. Dont post stupid crap like you are being cute.
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So what has Carr done to make you believe he is, and what has Sage done to make you believe he isn't ? And don't give me the "he's only played three games" answer...that response is overated...
Carr has done nothing. I don't believe in him...yet. In fact he makes me nervous. But I pray he works out, for the sake of our team. But I can tell, Sage is a career back up. The best we could ever hope for from him is a Jake Plumber(best case senario). Call me crazy but I want more. Is Carr the answer, god I hope so. Would I bet my mortgage on it....no, in fact I would bet $10 on it, but I am hoping.
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So what has Carr done to make you believe he is, and what has Sage done to make you believe he isn't ? And don't give me the "he's only played three games" answer...that response is overated...
This topic has been ran into the ground so much that there is little that can be freshly added to discuss. The only real way to look at it is carr is our starter because kubiak said so its as simple as that. Coach has made up his mind and i dont think anything short of carr getting hurt in preseason would have changed that.
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MANN, it's time to get over this Carr vs. Sage, this s##t is really getting old. Kubiak makes the decision and whichever way he rolls, I'm rolling with him. BTW, I never seen a QB who did everything perfect, these things you mentioned I'm pretty sure can be corrected.
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If you have a backup QB that causes a QB controversy, then that's exactly the kind of backup QB you want.

Case in point:
Steve Beuerlein was good enough to win when he was called upon and helped the Cowboys win a Super Bowl.

He had an average career as a starter. Not much more than a good game manager.

Anyone remember Rob Johnson?

Scott Mitchell?

Cody Carlson?
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Carr has done nothing. I don't believe in him...yet. In fact he makes me nervous. But I pray he works out, for the sake of our team. But I can tell, Sage is a career back up. The best we could ever hope for from him is a Jake Plumber(best case senario). Call me crazy but I want more. Is Carr the answer, god I hope so. Would I bet my mortgage on it....no, in fact I would bet $10 on it, but I am hoping.

Kinda funny that you mention Jake Plummer. How much longer do you guys think he has in Denver? Looks like the heat's on over there now.

If Carr doesn't pan out in the next couple of years wouldn't it stand to reason that he might end up in Houston?

I wonder how hard it would be for a couple of guys from Denver to trade with them? Coaches like to work with their guys. Plummer's a Kubiak guy.

Something to chew on.
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Carr has done nothing. I don't believe in him...yet. In fact he makes me nervous. But I pray he works out, for the sake of our team. But I can tell, Sage is a career back up. The best we could ever hope for from him is a Jake Plumber(best case senario). Call me crazy but I want more. Is Carr the answer, god I hope so. Would I bet my mortgage on it....no, in fact I would bet $10 on it, but I am hoping.
JP went to a pro-bowl....I'm not sure how you came to the descision that Sage will be forever relegated to be a back-up..especially when he's looked light years ahead of our starter...How can you make such judgements about a guy that you've barely seen play...but not be so sure about Carr, who has been a on this team for 5 yrs ?
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Please post Porter and Pickett's stats, so we can have a REAL debate ....
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