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Old 08-30-2006   #1
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My only change from 8/26 is dropping Davis off of the PUP and onto the waiver wire. Bolded players are at most risk in my opinion.

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Petey will likely be on the PUP list. You might check out the new Kubiak quote before putting DD on the waiver wire.
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QB - David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, Quintin Porter
RB - Morency, Lundy, Smith
FB - Cook, Joppru
TE - Bruener, Putzier, Daniels
LT - Wand, Spencer
LG - Pitts
C - Flanagan, Hodgdon
RG - McKinney, Weary
RT - Weigert, Salaam, Winston
WR - AJ, Moulds, Walter, Lewis

LDE - Weaver, Kalu
LDT - TJ, Cochran
RDT - Smith, Payne,
RDE - Williams, Peek, Babin
SAM - Orr, Anderson, Watson
MIKE - Ryans, Cowart
WILL - Greenwood, Evans
LCB - Robinson, McCleon, Williams
RCB - Sanders, Buchanon
SS - Earl, Stone
FS - Brown, Simmons

PK - Brown
P - Stanley
LS - Pittman

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Wong, Mathis, Faggins

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Petey will likely be on the PUP list. You might check out the new Kubiak quote before putting DD on the waiver wire.
Can't PUP Petey -- at least that's what I understand. He was injured after camp started so the choices are waive him (not), IR (not), or give him a spot 53 - treat it like a regular season injury and expect a projected return in 4-5 more weeks (yes). I think Wong and Mathis are the only guys who are reserve-PUPable considering their status prior to camp start. They've already put Mathis on the reserve-PUP. They haven't done so with Wong which is curious. I won't speculate on what that means because I don't want to start another **** storm.

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Can't PUP Petey -- at least that's what I understand. He was injured after camp started so the choices are waive him (not), IR (not), or give him a spot 53 - treat it like a regular season injury and expect a projected return in 4-5 more weeks (yes).
Oops cranial flatulence--I was thinking Petey was hurt in OTA's/mini-camp.
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My only change from 8/26 is dropping Davis off of the PUP and onto the waiver wire. Bolded players are at most risk in my opinion.
The only thing I can see that could dramatically upset your 53 is I keep hearing Kubiak talk like he is pretty sure that he and Smith will find some player or players on the waiver wire that could help the team. Other than that, I can't find anything there that I strongly disagree with.
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Petey will likely be on the PUP list. You might check out the new Kubiak quote before putting DD on the waiver wire.
I saw it. I am a fan of Domanick and he has been a good soldier in my opinion. However, it is my opinion that the easiest thing to do is IR him, the right move for the health of the organization is to cut him if we are uncertain of him playing at all this year.

Wong is a strange one. Are they using his status to light a fire against some of the LB's who are fighting for a LB position? If he is not PUP'd it would leave the idea out there that he may be ready before week 6 to at least start practicing and ready before week 9 to play. Of course that is mere speculation 167.2 miles from my house to Reliant.
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I saw it. I am a fan of Domanick and he has been a good soldier in my opinion. However, it is my opinion that the easiest thing to do is IR him, the right move for the health of the organization is to cut him if we are uncertain of him playing at all this year.

Wong is a strange one. Are they using his status to light a fire against some of the LB's who are fighting for a LB position? If he is not PUP'd it would leave the idea out there that he may be ready before week 6 to at least start practicing and ready before week 9 to play. Of course that is mere speculation 167.2 miles from my house to Reliant.
Why cut him?? financially, you're still paying him. If you wait at least till March of next year, you can split his cap hit across two years, instead of taking it all on this year.

The organization appears to be moving along a parallel path..... unless you think we should bring in an "experienced" RB and pay him "experienced" pay, and get no more than what Lundy, Smith, Morency will give us??
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Why cut him?? financially, you're still paying him. If you wait at least till March of next year, you can split his cap hit across two years, instead of taking it all on this year.

The organization appears to be moving along a parallel path..... unless you think we should bring in an "experienced" RB and pay him "experienced" pay, and get no more than what Lundy, Smith, Morency will give us??
You think we will be 13-3 and so I can see why you want to mortgage the future. I say pay the debts and look towards the long term. Financially it is a wash given the numbers I have seen given the uptick in salary cap next year. Moreover, do you really think he has trade value? Do you really think that this staff will overpay for an RB? I just do not see the long term value in keeping him on the IR, outside of the warm and fuzzies.
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You think we will be 13-3 and so I can see why you want to mortgage the future. I say pay the debts and look towards the long term. Financially it is a wash given the numbers I have seen given the uptick in salary cap next year. Moreover, do you really think he has trade value? Do you really think that this staff will overpay for an RB? I just do not see the long term value in keeping him on the IR, outside of the warm and fuzzies.
We cannot do that, it would make too much sense.[/SARCASM]

I agree 110% with your take on this.

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You think we will be 13-3 and so I can see why you want to mortgage the future. I say pay the debts and look towards the long term. Financially it is a wash given the numbers I have seen given the uptick in salary cap next year. Moreover, do you really think he has trade value? Do you really think that this staff will overpay for an RB? I just do not see the long term value in keeping him on the IR, outside of the warm and fuzzies.
How much cap space do we have left this year?? Is it enough to eat all of GWalker, Todd Wade, & DD's dead money?? I'm just thinking it would be better to spread it over multiple years if possible.

I understand the get it out of the way now thing, but I'm not sold on DD never playing again.
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I understand the get it out of the way now thing, but I'm not sold on DD never playing again.
What gives you this blind optimism ? How much is DD worth ? not emotionally, but actual football worth ? If he has to sit out this year I don't think DD's future with the Texans looks too bright...
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What gives you this blind optimism ? How much is DD worth ? not emotionally, but actual football worth ? If he has to sit out this year I don't think DD's future with the Texans looks too bright...
I agree with this man.
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What gives you this blind optimism ? How much is DD worth ? not emotionally, but actual football worth ? If he has to sit out this year I don't think DD's future with the Texans looks too bright...
I agree.

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Texans | D. Davis wants to play but it does not look good
Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:58:45 -0700

The Associated Press reports Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis (knee) doesn't know when his injured left knee will be healthy enough for him to return to the field. He has been out for a month with a bone bruise that is causing soreness in his knee. He said it has been frustrating and surprising that the injury has kept him out this long. "It's getting to the point where it's just draining me," he said. "I'm tired of watching. I've been here and I've worked hard with everybody else and I can't be out there and help. It's just killing me watching." Texans head coach Gary Kubiak plans to meet with Davis, his agent and his doctors this week to discuss his injury. He wants to find out if Davis can play this season or if he needs to be placed on Injured Reserve. Davis will not be available for Houston's opener against Philadelphia and rookie RB Wali Lundy will start in his place.
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I for one dont wanna IR Davis, I think he can play this year.
I'm on your side....... I want DD playing this year...... If he has to go on IR, I'm hoping it's so we can get him on the field next year, and not just to spread the cap money

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What gives you this blind optimism ? How much is DD worth ? not emotionally, but actual football worth ? If he has to sit out this year I don't think DD's future with the Texans looks too bright...
IMHO, he is worth as much to this team as DavidCarr is........ even more.
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I'm on your side....... I want DD playing this year...... If he has to go on IR, I'm hoping it's so we can get him on the field next year, and not just to spread the cap money



IMHO, he is worth as much to this team as DavidCarr is........ even more.
How can he be "worth more" than Carr when he hasn't seen the field this preseason? That's like saying I am worth more to the Texans than Carr, especially since they don't pay me a dime.
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IMHO, he is worth as much to this team as DavidCarr is........ even more.
D.Carr...as of right now...isn't worth a bag of old footballs...D.Carr may actually hurt us more than help us this season(not saying he will, but it's a possibility)...And as far DD....I don't know what to say about him...the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of him is......o.k.....he's just o.k....I honestly am not worried whether he plays or doesn't play this season because I think between Lundy and Morency, they more than make up for his absence, if not produce more as a combo....We aren't really hurting at RB IMO...and maybe I'm a bit biased...as I have never been big on DD...
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You think we will be 13-3 and so I can see why you want to mortgage the future. I say pay the debts and look towards the long term. Financially it is a wash given the numbers I have seen given the uptick in salary cap next year. Moreover, do you really think he has trade value? Do you really think that this staff will overpay for an RB? I just do not see the long term value in keeping him on the IR, outside of the warm and fuzzies.
While not the same thing, this 'unrelated injury' with DD has made this situation almost T.O. like for the Texans in that the coaches and medical staff have cleared DD to play and told him there would be some pain, but he says his knee still hurts too much to play on even though the bruise was over a month ago.

I have to agree with KT on this one. I said I thought the Texans would IR Davis back before TC because I felt/thought then he wouldnt make a recovery as his injury seemed like it was taking an abnormally long time to heal and he didnt really partcipate in any camps to show progress to the new staff and when he did - his knee got bruised and he's back to riding a bike. IMO He has shown little to no progress since the injury last year even after the surgery and recovery time/rehab. While I would love to hold him for a year and let him recover, looking at his contract and such I would be more inclined now to go the waiver route and try to resign him at a lower contract value w/medical exclusions if possible as it seems his motivation to play isnt here atm. We need gamers on this team - if DD doesnt want to be a part of it, then we have to cut him for the best of the team and DD as we dont want to risk him getting a long term injury and us having the liability for his contract. Thats just the biz...

IMO until he can practice again regularly it's gonna be a tough call by the staff on keeping him even though Kubiak clarified yesterday on 610 he wasnt cutting DD when they meet tomorrow. I honestly dunno how he can merit keeping him on the roster IR if he cant see any progress from DD to guage it on. DD has to get on the field and show somethign or I feel a waiver is coming tomorrow.
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