Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-28-2006   #1
Marcus
Hall of Fame
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stafford, Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 7,522
Rep Power: 70276 Marcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Are you giving Kubes a chance?

By that, I mean . . are you being patient enough to give him a chance to correct some of the things that were wrong about this team going in?

I know that's a loaded question, but IMO, it seems like some of you are bailing on him already.
Marcus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #2
HJam72
Hall of Fame
 
HJam72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Over here.
Age: 41
Posts: 11,501
Rep Power: 68813 HJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respectedHJam72 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

No.

We lost a game. He's outa there.
__________________

HJam72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #3
Texan Asylum
Christian
 
Texan Asylum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Kansas
Age: 50
Posts: 5,967
Rep Power: 17420 Texan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respectedTexan Asylum is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

I like what I see...
__________________
Texan Asylum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #4
TK_Gamer
Hall of Fame
 
TK_Gamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Age: 51
Posts: 1,029
Rep Power: 13 TK_Gamer was voted MVPTK_Gamer was voted MVPTK_Gamer was voted MVPTK_Gamer was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
By that, I mean . . are you being patient enough to give him a chance to correct some of the things that were wrong about this team going in?

I know that's a loaded question, but IMO, it seems like some of you are bailing on him already.
I agree, this board seems to want instant results based on potential and that just aint gonna happen, it never does. let us not forget the errors in strategy and training kubiak is trying to reverse. I hope it's not like this during the season. heck some are ready to start rosenfells at QB and Winston at RT. Let kubiak do his thing, I've seen alot of positive effects allready and we havent even started the season. we have people praising mario one minute and calling him a bust the next. forget 4 years, forget everything that happend that made you mad about the texans and take this as a new begining, which hasn't really even begun. Im behind Kubiak 100%. It doesnt mean we all don't have a right to our oppinion. but we dont get paid to run the texans, Kubiak and his staff does. cheer on your team and give success a chance. It's gonna be a great ride if we don't get too impatient. thats my take anyway.
__________________
"Yeah, and Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, and Gale Sayers were *undersized* too...."
TK_Gamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #5
texan279
Hall of Fame
 
texan279's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Rosenberg TX
Age: 35
Posts: 5,612
Rep Power: 3367 texan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexan279 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
By that, I mean . . are you being patient enough to give him a chance to correct some of the things that were wrong about this team going in?

I know that's a loaded question, but IMO, it seems like some of you are bailing on him already.
To those who are already wanting to jump ship, it is only preseason, and you can't expect miracles overnight.
__________________
Fire It Up, Let the engines roll, It's time to burn it down
texan279 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #6
Runner
Hubcap Diamond
 
Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,700
Rep Power: 25614 Runner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Give him a chance? Sure. He's had virtually no time yet. It's a process to turn around a loser.
__________________
Amy glances out the window; her hair, skin, and clothes take on a pronounced reddish tinge from Doppler effect as she drops out of the conversation at relativistic velocity. - Cryptonomicon
Runner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #7
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 33,342
Rep Power: 194858 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default

First, am I bailing out on him if I criticize David??

Second, we've seen some major turnarounds on nearly every aspect of our game........ both sides of the ball.

Our offensive line has only given up one sack... just one, all preseason. The Broncos were held to 107 yards on the ground.... mostly (I think) by their 4th guy in garbage time. We've had 2 games where our defense scored multiple sacks......

We won 2 out of 3 preseason games......... by pretty good margins. Maybe we spoil easy.
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 08-28-2006   #8
Runner
Hubcap Diamond
 
Runner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,700
Rep Power: 25614 Runner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respectedRunner is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

It should also be noted that Kubiak started Spencer, Weary, Daniels and Lundy. He easily could have started Wand, McKinney, Bruener or Putzier, and Morency. This may contribute to the offense being "out of sync", but it shows something else too. Kubiak does not lock into a group of starters and plunge in regardless of the outcome. He is still "checking his work" to see if he has the right combination out there. I like that.

For an example, I think the defensive line picked up once he shuffled the tackles by inserting TJ into the starting line-up. How many of us on the board would have done that? Not too many, I would think.

Not only am I not "giving up" on him, I think he is doing well.
__________________
Amy glances out the window; her hair, skin, and clothes take on a pronounced reddish tinge from Doppler effect as she drops out of the conversation at relativistic velocity. - Cryptonomicon
Runner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #9
Marcus
Hall of Fame
 
Marcus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stafford, Texas
Age: 60
Posts: 7,522
Rep Power: 70276 Marcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respectedMarcus is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss
First, am I bailing out on him if I criticize David??
Well, since you asked, yeah . . . in a way. I mean, you and everyone else knew going in what Carr's faults are, and it's been discussed ad nauseum as to why he got them, how he got them, and where he got them.

Do you actually think that he's going to wave some magic wand, and instantly convert Carr into a Brady or a Manning overnight? He probably will never be able to that, even if you are being patient enough to at least give Kubiak, Sherman, and the rest to mold him into a decent quarterback. It's something that's going to take time.

But I don't see the patience here. God! The season hasn't even started yet.
Marcus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #10
HOU-TEX 
Ah, Football!
 
HOU-TEX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: P-land
Age: 43
Posts: 15,307
Rep Power: 98407 HOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderkyss
First, am I bailing out on him if I criticize David??

Second, we've seen some major turnarounds on nearly every aspect of our game........ both sides of the ball.

Our offensive line has only given up one sack... just one, all preseason. The Broncos were held to 107 yards on the ground.... mostly (I think) by their 4th guy in garbage time. We've had 2 games where our defense scored multiple sacks......

We won 2 out of 3 preseason games......... by pretty good margins. Maybe we spoil easy.
Carr's been sacked 3 times this pre-season. Two were definetly the lines fault. The other I'm not sure about. 3 times in 3 games isn't bad at all. Heck, I'd take a 16 sack season.
__________________
Kubiak: "They’re battling their tail off." Translation: They suck.
HOU-TEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #11
powerfuldragon
g'mornin to you
 
powerfuldragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: your lady's sexdreams.
Age: 28
Posts: 17,098
Rep Power: 22258 powerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respectedpowerfuldragon is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to powerfuldragon
Default

We've got an arsenal of coaching talent at our disposal in kubes, sherman, and smith. i say give them time.
__________________
disregard above post.
powerfuldragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #12
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 33,342
Rep Power: 194858 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
Well, since you asked, yeah . . . in a way. I mean, you and everyone else knew going in what Carr's faults are, and it's been discussed ad nauseum as to why he got them, how he got them, and where he got them.
ahh......

I'm not calling for his head.... I hope to never see Sage on the field again... unless our last game is meaningless, because we've clenched homefield advantage throughout, and Carr & the boys have blown the browns out in the first half.

If we are going to analyze the game, I think we should analyze the game.
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #13
Bamaborn-Texasbred
All Pro
 
Bamaborn-Texasbred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Galveston, Texas
Age: 44
Posts: 550
Rep Power: 10 Bamaborn-Texasbred is a Pro BowlerBamaborn-Texasbred is a Pro Bowler
Default

Anyone can see that things are already much better than last year or the year before for that matter. I am concerned that some of us are probably expecting too much. I'd be happy if Kubes could match the 7-9 season of two years ago, but this years' schedule is tough, tough, tough. I honestly don't know what to expect.

I saw, once again, last night how just a few mistakes can turn a close game in the other teams' favor. Last night was winnable. I don't think Carr could see the heat coming from Lundy's right on that tip interception from where he was standing in the pocket. Wiegert got straight up beat on that sack. Owen Daniels hurt us with the offside call. Spencer had some mental miscues. There were several defensive line encroachment and procedural calls that hurt us as well. Carr made a couple of poor decisions with the football while under duress.

The bottom line is- this is preseason. It is all on film, and just about all of it is coachable. Sterling Sharpe said poor technique was what beat Wiegert on that sack, but I don't think any technique minus a hold would have helped in that situation. He got blown back so quick I don't think he knew what happened.
__________________
Are you looking forward to baseball season as much as I am?
Bamaborn-Texasbred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #14
thunderkyss 
& so it begins
 
thunderkyss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
Age: 42
Posts: 33,342
Rep Power: 194858 thunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respectedthunderkyss is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via Yahoo to thunderkyss
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [[Gary Kubiak]]
You peole are doing MORE than just criticizing David. I dont see anybody going bananas at the broncos board. Plummer made some bad decitions too. Kube thinks David can make it. Its 3 preseason and people are calling for his head already.
bah........ don't you "you people" me.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trade'06pick
Anyone can see that things are already much better than last year or the year before for that matter. I am concerned that some of us are probably expecting too much. I'd be happy if Kubes could match the 7-9 season of two years ago, but this years' schedule is tough, tough, tough. I honestly don't know what to expect.
Do you think it is impossible for Gary Kubiak to address the guys tomorrow morning, and with a straight face say, "I think we can win everygame"

I think it is possible for him to say it..... I believe it is more than probably that he believes it.

If he didn't, I don't want him here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trade'06pick
I saw, once again, last night how just a few mistakes can turn a close game in the other teams' favor. Last night was winnable. I don't think Carr could see the heat coming from Lundy's right on that tip interception from where he was standing in the pocket. Wiegert got straight up beat on that sack. Owen Daniels hurt us with the offside call. Spencer had some mental miscues. There were several defensive line encroachment and procedural calls that hurt us as well. Carr made a couple of poor decisions with the football while under duress.
And even with all that, we still could've/should've won. We gave them a touchdown, and lost by 3.....
__________________
thunderkyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #15
Bamaborn-Texasbred
All Pro
 
Bamaborn-Texasbred's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Galveston, Texas
Age: 44
Posts: 550
Rep Power: 10 Bamaborn-Texasbred is a Pro BowlerBamaborn-Texasbred is a Pro Bowler
Default

Hey man, I'm on your side! On any given Sunday...... That statement will hold more true for us this year than it ever has. I think broadcasters and other media types will be throwing the expansion tag out the window this year. However, you can show that kind of improvement and not make the playoffs or have a winning record.

This team will fight for 60 minutes every week this season. They will look sharper than in the past. They will do things (good and bad) that will have you screaming at the top of your lungs. There will be scenarios with five weeks before the postseason to get the Texans in the playoffs. In the end, isn't that all we need out of this season? I don't care what the record is this year as long as I can say to myself after every game, "they gave it all they had". A Capers coached team never put that much fire into a game. The defense beat the Cowboys four years ago because one of the 'boys offensive linemen was stupid enough to put them down on national television. Kubes has forgotten more about coaching than Capers will ever know.
__________________
Are you looking forward to baseball season as much as I am?
Bamaborn-Texasbred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #16
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 46
Posts: 44,564
Rep Power: 272958 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HOU-TEX
Carr's been sacked 3 times this pre-season. Two were definetly the lines fault. The other I'm not sure about. 3 times in 3 games isn't bad at all. Heck, I'd take a 16 sack season.
St. Louis--primarily Lundy
Denver 1st sack--primarily Carr not throwing it away
Denver 2nd sack--Wiegert beat inside
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #17
J-Man
Veteran
 
J-Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Ft Hood, Tx
Age: 39
Posts: 402
Rep Power: 11 J-Man is a team player
Default

I suspect that Kubiak is a long way from being on a hot seat. He is taking over the worst team in the league from a staff that pretty much made the room dumber by walking into it and chased off most of the veteran leadership or allowed them to slip off in free agency.

The upside is pretty obvious...whole new staff = new attitude. This years crop of draft picks are preforming very well and I suspect that we'll get 4-5 starters out of them. Kubiak and Co (otherwise known as Broncos South Inc) have all come from a top flight franchise that knows how to win. The advantage of Kubiak sweeping the Denver ranks for staff and players is that the amount of time to synchronize things is much shorter. Kubes will have a rough year in '06 but I bet '07 we will be contending for the playoffs.
__________________
Who's the Man?... J-Man, that's WHO!

Eat 'em Up, KATS!
J-Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #18
HOU-TEX 
Ah, Football!
 
HOU-TEX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: P-land
Age: 43
Posts: 15,307
Rep Power: 98407 HOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respectedHOU-TEX is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
St. Louis--primarily Lundy
Denver 1st sack--primarily Carr not throwing it away
Denver 2nd sack--Wiegert beat inside
I stand corrected. I suppose I should've said blocking in general rather than the line. My bad.
__________________
Kubiak: "They’re battling their tail off." Translation: They suck.
HOU-TEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #19
RiotCommander
All Pro
 
RiotCommander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Age: 37
Posts: 659
Rep Power: 11 RiotCommander is a fan favorite
Send a message via ICQ to RiotCommander Send a message via AIM to RiotCommander
Default

One thing I saw that he said shocked me. Its not every day you see a coach call his QB out. Not sure if this is "Throwing him under the bus" but its close.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubiak
(on QB David Carr) “A lot of the things that happened early in the game were David’s fault. On the interception I think he tried to dump it to Wali Lundy. He (Carr) has to protect the ball. He is in charge of protecting the ball. I think we proved that we can be a pretty good team, without the turnovers.”
RiotCommander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2006   #20
Double Barrel
Modified Simian
 
Double Barrel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Onward, Upward, and back into the Trees
Section: Gridiron, Tx
Age: 47
Posts: 30,424
Rep Power: 281064 Double Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respectedDouble Barrel is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus
By that, I mean . . are you being patient enough to give him a chance to correct some of the things that were wrong about this team going in?

I know that's a loaded question, but IMO, it seems like some of you are bailing on him already.
Kubiak has at least four years to bring a winning record (and hopefully playoff games) in my book. He should get at least what Capers got.

People need to get a grip, especially just three games into Kubiak's first pre-season.
__________________
"Football is only a diversion." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS
Double Barrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger