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Old 09-14-2004   #21
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qb: set, but look for the texans to possibly take a shot at James Killian out of Tulsa, Jon Buetjer out of Illinois, or Danny Wimprine out of Memphis in the 5th round

rb: set again but underrated tb Dewhitt Betterson from Troy St. might catch their eye at the combine

fb: set, but texans might bring in texas fullback will matthews as an undrafted free agent

wr: this is where i think we'll go in the 1st round. lots of good receivers again with Michigan Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Miami (OH) Martin Nance, Cal's Geoff McArhtur and West Virginias Chris Henry. I feel that they'll go with Nance just because he is a big playmaker

te: nope

tackle: maybe, if they go 2nd round here, go Rob Pettiti at Pitt

guard: no

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Well remember we have 1 first 1 second and 2 3rd round picks. Those are the slots where we can pick up an impact player...

As long as i werent passing up a stud, my priority would go....

1st round Defensive line... Walker and Payne are getting older, Payne is coming off a major injury, Walkers injury isn't as severe but he's older. Robaire Smith really helps out adding youth, We get a young stud, he can back up all 3 positions his first year, and move into a slot the following year. Or a big nose tackle like Wilfork this last year would be a great move, although 2 gap defenders can be found with success in later rounds, I think San Fran got a steal with Sopaoga in the 4th round.

2nd round....Saftey. Coleman will be a free agent this summer and might still want corner money or might get a chance to make more playing corner elsewhere. Brown, McCree, doesn't make me comfortable at the saftey position, and Glenn Earl is coming off an injury as a rookie still has to prove alot. mid secound round when we pick most safteys minus the Roy Williams, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor types.

3rd round... Offensive line... you can never have enough quality linemen and quarterbacks

3rd round .... Tight End, depending on if Joppru makes it back or not, if he is able to play and plays well, then maybe wide reciever or corner.
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DEFENSE BaBY!!!! We need LINEBACKERS and D LINEMEN!!!! Also Safety. We got by in our first year because no one took us seriously. But we need to make changes. We have too many injuries on the D-LINE. We need to get people to come in to challenge those guys to eventually take their spots.

We have to see what Carr does if he sucks we draft a QB. I think we need a DT to be there if Payne goes down again and again because who ever hears DeLoach being called for a sack...ha ha!!!!! u don't. We do need LBs as well. Our RBs are straight, our

If Kris Brown keeps throwing his body around we may need to look for a kicker soon.
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These are 4 guys I follow because I love UM and UT

Just get a guy from Miami and everything will turn out okay...
Rolle (D-Rob and Rolle???) or Everett (unless Jappru proves something this year)
Or get a University of Texas guy
Derrick Johnson (I dont want to be picking that high, though) or Rodrique Wright (he is 6-5, 315 pounds!!!!)...
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QB - depends on what they do with Banks. Word has it they are concerned about Ragone, which is why they drafted Symons. Do not think Ragone is ready for 2nd string, but I would put my money on Symons. Super quick release, great reads and tough as nails. You cannot appreciate how good he is to you actually see him. And...he has no lack of confidence and is super smart. Watched him from Cy Creek all the way through college.
DL- need a marquee player or two here.
Secondary - still feel there are a few holes to fill
OL- late picks possible, but it looks like we are progressing
RB - you can never have too many good running backs
ST - I love JJ but he does not have the breakawy speed and does not contribute on the receiving side. Welker for SD was a steal as a FA. The guy can play and is a good receiver like Grebet for the Jets.

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I suppose we could bundle up a few of our picks including a second round pick and trade up a few spots in the draft to select someone who we could have gotten anyway had we just waited until our pick in the second round. Oh wait, we did that already.
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qb: set, but look for the texans to possibly take a shot at James Killian out of Tulsa, Jon Buetjer out of Illinois, or Danny Wimprine out of Memphis in the 5th round
Why would we select a QB??? We spent a 3rd round pick on Ragone so he isnt going anywhere and BJ Symons will be back next year and will be the 3rd string QB if Banks leaves. And Banks wants a starting job, where is he going to get one??? San Fran is the only one I can think of. Miami maybe???
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wr: this is where i think we'll go in the 1st round. lots of good receivers again with Michigan Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Miami (OH) Martin Nance, Cal's Geoff McArhtur and West Virginias Chris Henry. I feel that they'll go with Nance just because he is a big playmaker
Why would the go with a WR. They have star in AJ. We spent a 2nd round pick on Gaff and he can make plays if they throw him the ball. And the coaching staff loves Armstrong. And dont forget that Palmer said that Starling has more untapped potential on the team, including AJ. And what if Bradford stays???
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te: nope
Why not??? We have a one demensional TE in Billy Miller, a 31 year old one in Bruener and a TE in his second year who hasnt played a down???
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tackle: maybe, if they go 2nd round here, go Rob Pettiti at Pitt
I dont see us going tackle so high. We just signed Wade to a big deal and the coaching staff is giving Wand the starting job to protect Carr's blindside so they much have a lot of faith in him...
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center: no
I think this depends on when McKinney is going to be a FA. If he has only one more year after this year, they might take one high to groom for a year and not throw him into the fire. And then they dont have to worry about McKinney leaving after next year without a center ready to replace him...
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Getting Rolle out of Miami would be great but I would have to say a Strong Saftey or a left guard. I also like Jackson Apple out of A&M because he is a warrior. But, a dominate saftey or lineman (meaning right guard) would be a great pick up in the draft. By the way, could Rolle play saftey, he definently has the size.
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Getting Rolle out of Miami would be great but I would have to say a Strong Saftey or a left guard. I also like Jackson Apple out of A&M because he is a warrior. But, a dominate saftey or lineman (meaning right guard) would be a great pick up in the draft. By the way, could Rolle play saftey, he definently has the size.
Glenn Earl is the Strong Saftey. He would have been of been a 2nd round pick if not for his injury so I dont see us taking a saftey early...

I dont see us taking a guard because Pitts has looked nice at LG and Weigert is our RG but I dont know how old he is...
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If Coleman dissapoints or we don't re-sign him, I say we get Thomas Davis. If you don't know him he played linebacker his first year at UGA and now has converted to safety. He is big, a ball hawk, and blows people up.
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at this point i think we take bpa, period.
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right now i would have to say safety but it is way too early in the season, maybe aCB to groom as Glenns replacement in the 2nd.
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I believe that we should focus again on the defensive side of the ball and should mainly focus on D line and inside linebacker. One person that I look forward to watching this year is Haloti Ngata out of Oregon. He is a DT that is 6'5'' 350 lbs that has run a 4.87! Was the top defensive line player coming out of high school a couple of years ago and decided on Oregon instead of BYU. Its been a tough two years for the kid as he lost his father in a car accident and then tore his ACL in the first game last year. He certainly would occupy two blockers as a NT and from a physical size standpoint reminds me of Ted Washington. Seems a little bit like Andre as he is quiet and lets his play do the talking. It will be interesting to see how he holds up this year, but with the Texans having no problem selecting people with ACL injuries, Im sure he will get some consideration if he declares.

Here are some links to some more info:

http://www.draftboardinsider.com/pla...T/ngata-h.html

http://www.oregonlive.com/ducksfootb...0432139940.xml


PS I wouldnt mind taking Rolle if he would fall to us though!

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I posted this on hpf.com a few weeks ago...pre-season and the 1st game have done nothing to change my mind.

If the draft were today;

1) defensive line:

Walker is older
Payne, Sears, and DeLoach all UFA after thisyear.
Even if resigning need dynamic youth at position

2)Defensive back:

Coleman UFA, Glenn Older, and Always should be looking at CBs.

3)Tight End - Miller and Bruener not long term answer: joppru injuried.

4) ILB- Have not addressed through the draft, get one to develop for a year or two before contracts and age become issues.

5)WR- Bradford's contract plus a dynamic number 2 to #80 could make offense special

6)OL-seems stocked here, but the early reads are that OLmen maybe the strength of the draft..Also get ready to replace Zach and Steve in a year or two

7)RB- If DD nagging injuries and Hollings fumbling prove to be more than pre-season concerns this could shoot up the chart quickly. If not a mid-to late round pick for depth sake could still be in order.


IMO, 1-3 are the top priorities. 4-7 are all close where flipping them around doesn't matter.
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I think the strategy is Best player available with restrictions.... we dont take a QB in the first round.

I think that we do have some positions that if you look a couple of years down the road, the time it takes a draft pick to really develop when they are not thrown into a starting job.... ( a sign we are growing as a franchise and have almost completely shed the expansion label.)

Defensive line jumps out at me the most. Walker is already on the wrong side of 30 and is coming off an injury. Payne is about to hit 30 and is coming of a much bigger injury. Robaire Smith is the real savior of this line with his energy and youth. Deloach and Ioane are good backups but neither will take over in a couple years or less when Payne and Walker are gone. Its definately something i would draft with one of our 4 first day picks.

Tight End We have 1 31 year old who so far is pretty good. 1 who has never seen the field, and might never. and another that is basically a bigger slower wide reciever. If we had the opportunity to get a top flight tight end like Heap, Shockey, Winslow with one of our earlier picks i dont see another position that could come in and provide an immediate impact. Bruenner is good, but he is again on the wrong side of 30.

Saftey Coleman will be a free agent and could get an offer to play corner elsewhere or more money, might not want to accept saftey money, and he is 30 years old. Eric Brown is 31 and isn't a star by any means. Glen Earl is supposed to be much better than his draft position but until he gets over the injury he still is a big question mark, and another saftey along side him could really help out.

Wide Reciever Bradford is a free agent and will either play himself out of our price range, play poorly and not get a contract, or resign or not.... he is a big question mark. Gaffney played well in week 1, but a number 2 reciever he is not. You can never have enough young wide outs, maybe we can get someone to challenge JJ for kick and punt returns...



I picked 4 slots.. cause we have 4 first day picks next year.... so as long as we target the best player available and still try to fill these slots we'd be doing alot better.
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I say take another Corner - and after he develops into a shut-down type, move Glenn to free- safety. He could play another 4 - 5 years there if he wants to.
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i think that we need to go defense, and you can make a case for any position on d. as of right now we don't have a defensive play maker

d-line: you can never have too many line men, as we found out last year. someone like orien harris out of miami if he declares or marcus spears would be a good pick. marcus is big, fast and can drop in coverage if you need him to.

inside lb: sharper is a pro bowl caliber player but i think he could upgrade on foreman. yeah he makes a lot of tackles but he never really makes the game turning play. michael boley out of southern miss is very good, if you saw the nebraska game he was all over the field. i was really high on lance mitchell before is injury (even better than derrick) and as look very good this year

outside lb: we have a lot of good but unproven young players here. babin is still learning so i will give him a pass but we might want to look at the other side. wong is solid but is just like foreman, he did make that sack sunday though. peek could be good, i would feel a lot better if we had someone like derrick johnson coming off the edge.

cb: we have solid starters for the next few years, but you guys said it, glenn is getting old. dunta is going to have some problems in his rookie season but will learn and should be great. cory webster is good but after watching him against arkansas state i think antrel is the better corner right now. two really good yound corners will set up our defense for years. also antrel is not the brother of samari, they're not related and on the felony charges, those were dropped before practice started, so he doesn't have any legal trouble.

safety: this might be our weak point on the defense. brown looks almost lost in coverage and coleman might be leaving after this year. earl was very good but who knows after his injury. the georgia guy beat me to it, thomas davis would give us that defensive playmaker at safty that sean taylor would have given us. he can is good coverage and can light some people up. brimmer would also be a good player to get.
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I am shocked to even see the many responses in this section...It was only game FREAKING one. That said, it was a very disappointing game one. Undefeated the rest of the way baby
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