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Old 08-17-2006   #1
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hey guys,... i have noticed that many people (not just members of this forum, but the media as well) are proclaiming that mario looked like a "rookie" in his first preseason game. Well.. hmmm, im not a genius or anything, but putting his performance aside, isnt he a rookie??? hahaha, i dont want to be redundant and what not, but i find it funny that most people are exploiting mario for being a rookie.. and are "jumping the gun" on his first performance.

But, geez, this guy is a monster!!! He is HUGE, I can't believe with his size he has the athletic ability of someone like.... stevie francis,.. did anyone hear that super mario has the same vertical as francis?? that is unbelieveable...

Another thing, I like the idea of moving mario along the d-line to switch things up... but I think it might be alittle premature to experiment with him. I think that kubes might wanna put mario in his most comfortable position for the season(to break him in), and then move him around. Mario needs experience, and most importantly, confidence. I just hope that once the season starts, mario can register his first sack vs. philly,... because that can keep mario from "over committing" on plays, and over running certain scenarios in trying to get his first sack.

One question,... if ya'll were to compare LB Demeco Ryans to a current(or even former) NFL LB, who would it be?? Of what I have read, he seems like a smart player that may not have the best athletic abilities, but makes up for his short comings with his brains and leadership.

Sorry if im rambling... but we gotta be patient with mario, and I cant wait anymore for the season to start up... hopefully this is the year we finally beat the colts,... and maybe have a .500 season. Its ONNNNN!!!!
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hey guys,... i have noticed that many people (not just members of this forum, but the media as well) are proclaiming that mario looked like a "rookie" in his first preseason game. Well.. hmmm, im not a genius or anything, but putting his performance aside, isnt he a rookie??? hahaha, i dont want to be redundant and what not, but i find it funny that most people are exploiting mario for being a rookie.. and are "jumping the gun" on his first performance.

His head coach was the one who said "he played like a rookie" in his post game comments. Everyone else is just repeating what Kubiak said.
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His head coach was the one who said "he played like a rookie" in his post game comments. Everyone else is just repeating what Kubiak said.

Well, I was also talking about how espn conducted their highlights of the game, by showing mario getting handled by T.Gonz. and turley... I'd sure hope that a multiple Probowl TE would handle a rookie in his first ever preseason game!!!! :brickwall
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I think the fourth quarter of games is where Mario will create the most havoc.
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have to be patient with the fella. it's gonna take a lil time to make that transition.

This is Madden or NCAA, he's not gonna be able to sack the qb every other play.


just be patient...he's a work in progress
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Yes, he is a rookie. But I also don't think it's unfair to expect him, a 1st pick rookie, to make an instant impact right away. He is compared favorable to Julius Peppers, who won D rookie of the year. To expect him to do around the same ballpark as Julius did is what is to be expected IMO.

So yeah, I'm not going to go harp and holler after his 1st time on the field where he played only a couple plays. But as the season wears on, I will be dissappointed if this guy does not become or is at least given a serious run for rookie of the year (it is hard to compete with linebackers, guys who actually put up numbers).
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I thought he played like a rookie.

also...I don't see Ryans physical deficiencies. He runs to the ball like Dunta does....with bricks. I think some of you guys just parrot the internet draftsperts takes.
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I thought he played like a rookie.

also...I don't see Ryans physical deficiencies. He runs to the ball like Dunta does....with bricks. I think some of you guys just parrot the internet draftsperts takes.
Well... regardless of how Demeco hits, his size and speed are not really there as far as a starting MLB in the NFL... As I said, he has the brains to make up for that, in which enables him to have a good "nose for the ball"... I am not trying to parrot anything, nor am I insulting the guy,.. I am simply looking at his "specs"... But, whom would you draw a comparison demeco to??
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Well... regardless of how Demeco hits, his size and speed are not really there as far as a starting MLB in the NFL...
You may want to check some of the rosters before you say that. Your living in the past when it comes to big run stopping MLB's dominating the scene in the NFL.
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You may want to check some of the rosters before you say that. Your living in the past when it comes to big run stopping MLB's dominating the scene in the NFL.
Didn't icak do a post about this a week back? Listed a bunch of Pro Bowler MLB weights -- most of them different from Ryans by a whole 2-4 lbs -- to discredit this exact same argument?

Icak, I don't remember what that thread was. Assuming I'm not fictionalizing your argument, please point us to it.
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For a little perspective on Mario stat production--he is most often compared to Julius Peppers. Over the course of Peppers' career he has averaged 3.2 combined tackles and assists per game, i.e. less than 1 per quarter of play and .67 sacks per game, i.e. 1 sack on average in 2 out of 3 games. One quarter of play is an absurd time period to try to look at stat production. He looked powerful (rag dolled Gonzo on one running play) and fast (Turley engaged him but only after a huge drop on one play leaving a big hole for Weaver to come thru to be in Green's face) and like a rookie (plenty of room for technique and experience to more fully exploit his assets).

By the way, Peppers only had sacks (3) in one of his 1st 5 games in the NFL and those came against a soon to be 3-13 Detroit.
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You may want to check some of the rosters before you say that. Your living in the past when it comes to big run stopping MLB's dominating the scene in the NFL.

good point... besides brian urlacher... I saw ray lewis is listed at: 6'1, 245... and demeco is listed at 6'1, 235... it'd be nice to see demeco follow in lewis's footsteps as far as his play and leadership go...
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I thought he played like a rookie.
also...I don't see Ryans physical deficiencies. He runs to the ball like Dunta does....with bricks. I think some of you guys just parrot the internet draftsperts takes.
Saying Mario played like a rookie is an expression of charity in lieu of the harsher assessment of just stating he didn't impress at all in his debut.
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it'd be nice to see demeco follow in lewis's footsteps as far as his play and leadership go...
I hear ya on that one!


But that whole "murderer" crap doesnt fly well with me though.....
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I thought he played like a rookie.

also...I don't see Ryans physical deficiencies. He runs to the ball like Dunta does....with bricks. I think some of you guys just parrot the internet draftsperts takes.
I'm just not comfortable with a 235 pound MLB. Just me. I'm ready to be convinced. Had a couple of false steps in the last game. Didn't mention it because it isn't important. He'll get it. Still believe WSLB is his best position. But we got what we got on the roster. If Richard believes, I believe.

As far as Mario goes, the football press is just following the ESPN lead. He's going to wear out some offensive lineman this year. Just give it time. Be patient.
Personally , I'm glad he's under everyones radar. Lot's of folks, IMHO fixin' to have some egg on their face.
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I hear ya on that one!


But that whole "murderer" crap doesnt fly well with me though.....

HAHAHA... well said!!!... ok, so lets hope demeco can follow lewis's ON-field production,... and create his own OFF-field image!!
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Saying Mario played like a rookie is an expression of charity in lieu of the harsher assessment of just stating he didn't impress at all in his debut.
I coulda said he looked like a workout warrior!
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I'm just not comfortable with a 235 pound MLB. Just me. I'm ready to be convinced.
What's it take to convince you? More of the pro-bowl MLB's over the last 2 years have been Ryans' size than Urlacher's size by over a 2 to 1 margin. Seems proof enough IMO that MLB's his size can succeed at a high level.
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I'll admit I was one of the "Ryans is too small to play MLB" crowd, but the folks on this board have turned me around. While I loved watching Al Smith blow guys up between the tackles, football seems to have evolved. You don't have to be 250 lbs to play inside anymore. Ryans is plenty big enough to play MLB and should even gain a few pounds in the next couple of years (the guy is only 22 or 23). As far as his speed goes, it may not be exceptional but it is adequate. Linebackers (especially inside linebackers) rely on instincts, positioning, and not taking false steps more than straight line speed. Ryans' intelligence and aggresive nature should turn him into one of the greats.
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Well... regardless of how Demeco hits, his size and speed are not really there as far as a starting MLB in the NFL... As I said, he has the brains to make up for that, in which enables him to have a good "nose for the ball"... I am not trying to parrot anything, nor am I insulting the guy,.. I am simply looking at his "specs"... But, whom would you draw a comparison demeco to??
hmmm interesting

if you are looking at only his specs then your first impression should be "Wow this guy is both smart, fast, strong and extremely atheletic"

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9326200 <-may want to read this.

you may want to look up Demeco's 40 times, vertical jump, bench press, etc before you decide he is not "athletic enough". Then go and compare those to other linebackers in the league.

Vinny hit it right not the nose, you are doing nothing but parroting the scouting reports. which almost all of them say a variation of this."weakness: Does not have great speed...Possesses only average size...Is not a great natural athlete...Could stand to bulk up and add some weight...Must hit the weight room and get stronger...Strengths: Very smart and incredibly instinctive with top football intelligence...Is like an extra coach on the field...Plays faster than he times...Is very aggressive and a sure tackler...Does all the little things..." -looks a lot like what you are saying huh?!

It is funny considering AJ Hawks is considered very fast, and extremely athletic and his two forty times are 4.59 and 4.67.
Demeco ran a 4.62. How fast does he have to be?
Demeco jumped 10.09 in the broad, AJ jumped 9.07.
Demeco benched 23 times, AJ put it up 24 times.
Demeco is taughted at the smartest linebacker in the draft all over the place. Granted AJ seems to play smart too.
AJ weight 10 pounds more than Demeco. Not a big deal considering no one has ever questioned his ability to lay a hit.

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