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Old 08-12-2006   #1
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Ok here's what I think right now without pausing to consider any of it. Anyone else got any "off the top of your head" thoughts on this game and what you saw?

Sage Rosenfels looks like a better QB than David Carr based on this one evening in August. So did Porter IMO. Hopefully that's just David trying too hard.

Antowain Smith probably doesn't make it to opening day. Davis, Morency, Lundy, and Taylor can get this job done without him.

Wali Lundy looks like he understands the concept.

Chris Taylor is not a beast... but he doesn't suck either. He's better than Antowain Smith and Jonathan Wells for what that's worth.

Our first string defense did not impress me. Mario did not impress me.

DeMeco got my attention though. Cochran did too.

Seth Payne looks like he's not going to lose his roster spot without a fight. Nice to see Seth getting it done again.

Seth Wand will start the season at LT and he should. Spencer did not seem to me to be all that much of a threat at this time. By mid-season that will probably change though if Wand doesn't continue to improve at the same rate Spencer does.

325 yards of net offense is a good thing to see. 21 first downs looks nice too. We had 173 yards rushing tonight.
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I agree on that our Defense didn't look great, but with a good 1st string O-line in KC and serious need of help in our LB's. I can understand why, I was dissappointed with how much our line was driven back on the running plays *Mostly our DTs*

I have to disagree with you on Carr. He was going up against the 1st string D that had Tye Law and Surtain (Sp?) there was a major drop-off for KC when the second string came out.The 2 plays he's receiving the most flack for, one would have been a touchdown if it had not been a spectacular effort by that defensive player who deflected the ball, and the other everyone says was a bad decision, but AJ was a whole step in front of Surtain, and the 2 KC players were playing top *But I think Johnson was on a cross under route* Carr threw it to AJ's back shoulder and Johnson had to step up and play defense. Now, Carr still deserves criticism on that play, I believe another reciever was open, but it would have been 8+ yards completion had Carr thrown it in front of AJ instead of at the shoulder. Sage looked great in the second quarter, but looked to make a few bad throws in the third, I noticed he was bailed out by Schifino (Sp?) when he threw a particulary low ball. All in all, I'm very confident in our QBs. We could lose one (or 2 for that matter) to injury and not have a major drop-off in production (Poor KC). Porter looked good... really good, but it was 3rd string... but he looked good.
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I was expecting more from the defense, which is stupid. They are much younger than the offense, which has for the most part, been playing together for awhile now. It will take the D longer to click. On the other hand, all the worries from OTAs and camp about the D running over the O looks to have not been as tell-tale as originally thought. The offense held their own.

The cut blocks looked pretty good. I was wondering how that would come together. I suspect the Texans offensive linemen didn't do too many, if any, of those cut blocks as aggressively as they did today.

First impression was pretty good.
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I agree on that our Defense didn't look great, but with a good 1st string O-line in KC and serious need of help in our LB's. I can understand why, I was dissappointed with how much our line was driven back on the running plays *Mostly our DTs*

I have to disagree with you on Carr. He was going up against the 1st string D that had Tye Law and Surtain (Sp?) there was a major drop-off for KC when the second string came out.The 2 plays he's receiving the most flack for, one would have been a touchdown if it had not been a spectacular effort by that defensive player who deflected the ball, and the other everyone says was a bad decision, but AJ was a whole step in front of Surtain, and the 2 KC players were playing top but Johnson *But I think Johnson was on a cross under route* Carr threw it to AJ's back shoulder and Johnson had to step up and play defense. Now, Carr still deserves criticism on that play, I believe another reciever was open, but it would have been 8+ yards completion had Carr thrown it in front of AJ instead of at the shoulder. Sage looked great in the second quarter, but looked to make a few bad throws in the third, I noticed he was bailed out by Schifino (Sp?) when he threw a particulary low ball. All in all, I'm very confident in our QBs. We could lose one (or 2 for that matter) to injury and not have a major drop-off in production (Poor KC). Porter looked good... really good, but it was 3rd string... but he looked good.
As I watched the second string play, I kept trying to remind myself that they were playing second stringers. The competition is not as stiff...
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Ok here's what I think right now without pausing to consider any of it. Anyone else got any "off the top of your head" thoughts on this game and what you saw?

Sage Rosenfels looks like a better QB than David Carr based on this one evening in August. So did Porter IMO. Hopefully that's just David trying too hard.

Antowain Smith probably doesn't make it to opening day. Davis, Morency, Lundy, and Taylor can get this job done without him.

Wali Lundy looks like he understands the concept.

Chris Taylor is not a beast... but he doesn't suck either. He's better than Antowain Smith and Jonathan Wells for what that's worth.

Our first string defense did not impress me. Mario did not impress me.

DeMeco got my attention though. Cochran did too.

Seth Payne looks like he's not going to lose his roster spot without a fight. Nice to see Seth getting it done again.

Seth Wand will start the season at LT and he should. Spencer did not seem to me to be all that much of a threat at this time. By mid-season that will probably change though if Wand doesn't continue to improve at the same rate Spencer does.

325 yards of net offense is a good thing to see. 21 first downs looks nice too. We had 173 yards rushing tonight.
Agreed I dont see Smith making the final roster if Lundy, Taylor can get it done.. And I am going to wonder if Rhodes can beat our Morency.. The longer Morency stays hurt this would give Rhodes a chance..

So I also agree Carr was up against a stronger defense than Rosenfels was. But it is nice to see that we have a nice stable quarterback behind Carr.. *At least he isnt an aging quarterback to the end of his prime*.

I loved the balance we had tonight with rushing and passing.. I think eventually we will get stronger as the players start picking up Kubiaks game. This is their first ever game under Kubiak's system. And once they get the hang of it - they will only get better.
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Overall impression

Offense

Defense needs some more time, but acceptable (that 3 and out at the beginning was nice)
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The offense (particularly the QB's) seemed to have grasped the new system like they've been in it for years.

For someone so excited to be playing in a 4-3, Travis Johnson looks like he's still in a two-gap system, and even appears to take plays off. If he approached every snap like his almost-sack, he would be starting.

Speaking of someone who should be starting, Seth Payne is really showing his stuff.

Quinton Porter is unusually accurate for a 3rd-stringer...

Antowain Smith probably won't make the final roster, especially if DD heals up.
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Chiefs oline without willie roaf still looks good. Either that, or our Dline wasn't as dominating as what people are saying in TC.

Antowain Smith looked like Jonathan Wells. Good thing we went on that 4th down or we would of had a sour taste to this victory.

Basically Carr didn't impress. M. Williams didn't impress. Those are the two guys everyone has there eye on.
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Ok here's what I think right now without pausing to consider any of it. Anyone else got any "off the top of your head" thoughts on this game and what you saw?

Sage Rosenfels looks like a better QB than David Carr based on this one evening in August. So did Porter IMO. Hopefully that's just David trying too hard.

Antowain Smith probably doesn't make it to opening day. Davis, Morency, Lundy, and Taylor can get this job done without him.

Wali Lundy looks like he understands the concept.

Chris Taylor is not a beast... but he doesn't suck either. He's better than Antowain Smith and Jonathan Wells for what that's worth.

Our first string defense did not impress me. Mario did not impress me.

DeMeco got my attention though. Cochran did too.

Seth Payne looks like he's not going to lose his roster spot without a fight. Nice to see Seth getting it done again.

Seth Wand will start the season at LT and he should. Spencer did not seem to me to be all that much of a threat at this time. By mid-season that will probably change though if Wand doesn't continue to improve at the same rate Spencer does.

325 yards of net offense is a good thing to see. 21 first downs looks nice too. We had 173 yards rushing tonight.
Carr looked nervous and made some poor plays, he also made some good plays. Rosenfels was hot off the bench but not so hot in the 3rd. They both scored 7 pts. in one quarter so that was even. Porter looked great....against the practice team. I mostly agree with everything else you said but I don't feel like anyone was necessarily bad. It was one game and it was so much better than anything last year that I'm just stoked with the whole affair.
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I dont know what formation they were running, it looked like a cover 2 man, but we left the middle low wide open and gave up 2 good runs a pass across and a qb scramble. we use that defense alot this year and teams will rack up some bad yards on us, anyone else notice that?
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I was thrilled myself. This is the best preseason game they have ever played, and they had played 16 of them coming in. While they didn't play a perfect game, I don't understand how anyone could have anything negative to say unless you just like to nitpick.

Carr looked okay to me, not great. The next two were excellent. Clearly, I underestimated Rosenfels. He is hands down better than Banks. Porter suprised the hell out of me. He looked great for a first time out. Having said that, you have to remember Carr was in against their #1's, and the other guys were in vs. the 2nd and 3rd teams.

Couple of quick things that stick out. The offense showed more imagination in this preseason game, than any regular season game in 4 years. Rollouts, mis-direction, reverses, slants, ins, posts, WOW. If you noticed, the receivers were generally on the move much more often than under Capers regime.

Second thing - Pass protection was superb! Best in the 4 yrs I have been watching imho. Not sure what herv was watching, as I thought Spencer was outstanding. I remember one play where he literally buried his man into the ground and sat on him. Wand did well, Spencer did better imho (again we have to factor 2nd team D)

Mario - Nothing special. Hopefully, he will get better. He has to be more of a factor than he was tonight.

The 2nd and 3rd team D was more impressive than the 1st....but Printers was pretty bad, and LJ has left the game, so let's take that with a grain of salt.

All in all, I am pumped! Houston, we have a REAL NFL team!
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I agree on that our Defense didn't look great, but with a good 1st string O-line in KC and serious need of help in our LB's. I can understand why, I was dissappointed with how much our line was driven back on the running plays *Mostly our DTs*

I have to disagree with you on Carr. He was going up against the 1st string D that had Tye Law and Surtain (Sp?) there was a major drop-off for KC when the second string came out.The 2 plays he's receiving the most flack for, one would have been a touchdown if it had not been a spectacular effort by that defensive player who deflected the ball, and the other everyone says was a bad decision, but AJ was a whole step in front of Surtain, and the 2 KC players were playing top *But I think Johnson was on a cross under route* Carr threw it to AJ's back shoulder and Johnson had to step up and play defense. Now, Carr still deserves criticism on that play, I believe another reciever was open, but it would have been 8+ yards completion had Carr thrown it in front of AJ instead of at the shoulder. Sage looked great in the second quarter, but looked to make a few bad throws in the third, I noticed he was bailed out by Schifino (Sp?) when he threw a particulary low ball. All in all, I'm very confident in our QBs. We could lose one (or 2 for that matter) to injury and not have a major drop-off in production (Poor KC). Porter looked good... really good, but it was 3rd string... but he looked good.
I wasn't impressed with the run defense, either. I'm kinda glad it was like that, though...because I wanta see how Kubes and company respond.
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Sage Rosenfels looks like a better QB than David Carr based on this one evening in August. So did Porter IMO. Hopefully that's just David trying too hard.
He did look better, but he played against the Chiefs 2nd and 3rd string defense. I think if Carr had played in Rosenfels place, he would have looked impressive.

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Antowain Smith probably doesn't make it to opening day. Davis, Morency, Lundy, and Taylor can get this job done without him.
I think there's a chance he may get cut, but I think he'll make the team. I don't think Morency will make it but that's just a gut feeling. Morency better get healed and he better not dance around in the backfield if he wants to stay a Texan though.

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Agreed. Very impressive, especially when he was going against the Chiefs first team defense. Looks like a capable starter if DD can't play.
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Chris Taylor is not a beast... but he doesn't suck either. He's better than Antowain Smith and Jonathan Wells for what that's worth.
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Agreed I dont see Smith making the final roster if Lundy, Taylor can get it done.. And I am going to wonder if Rhodes can beat our Morency.. The longer Morency stays hurt this would give Rhodes a chance..

So I also agree Carr was up against a stronger defense than Rosenfels was. But it is nice to see that we have a nice stable quarterback behind Carr.. *At least he isnt an aging quarterback to the end of his prime*.

I loved the balance we had tonight with rushing and passing.. I think eventually we will get stronger as the players start picking up Kubiaks game. This is their first ever game under Kubiak's system. And once they get the hang of it - they will only get better.
speaking of Smith, it's possible Kubes put him in first tonight because he wanted to look at him in a game to compare it to what he's seen in practice. He might not be Kubes 1st choice of backs. Lundy was much better tonight!
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I dont know what formation they were running, it looked like a cover 2 man, but we left the middle low wide open and gave up 2 good runs a pass across and a qb scramble. we use that defense alot this year and teams will rack up some bad yards on us, anyone else notice that?
yea...lots of holes in the D tonight. Good time to see Kubes after the game response in next practice. No worries.
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how did babin look? IMO he is a key to help develop Williams..if an OL has to take account Babin's position, and that should help with doubleteams being taken off of williams
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I must admit, this was the first Texans game where I didn't want to go smoke or go to the restroom when the opposing team had the ball. My eyes were glued on Mario as were many I am sure. I wish I would have taken them off to see some others, like D Ryans. I never saw him once during the whole game. The O-Line looked pretty dang good in pass protection, but need to work on run blocking now, especially in short yardage situations...
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how did babin look? IMO he is a key to help develop Williams..if an OL has to take account Babin's position, and that should help with doubleteams being taken off of williams
If I recall correctly Peeks played opposite of Williams.. Babin ran with the 2nd team - TJ and crew..
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