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Old 08-03-2006   #1
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Bryan Pittman long snapper. Flanagan,Hodgdon and even McKinney are on team. Can't any one of that trio be the LS & cut Pittman? I would like that spot to go to another player.
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Bryan Pittman long snapper. Flanagan,Hodgdon and even McKinney are on team. Can't any one of that trio be the LS & cut Pittman? I would like that spot to go to another player.
Or Bruener or somebody. I've even seen linebackers act as long snappers. I know what you mean - it always seems like a waste of a valuable roster spot, but many teams have dedicated long snappers.
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I played center and long snapper in high school, long snapping was much harder for me than playing center. You have to be quick, by the time the ball is snapped before you have a chance to look up you've got guys trying to jump over you.
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If he is far better at long snapping than everyone else he is garunteed a roster spot...why would we take the chance of putting someone out there thats might make a bad snap, and cost us in crunch time ? Long snapping isn't as easy as it looks...
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We will have to wait and see, until Kubiak and the coaching staff cut the roster down to 53, he might be gone so Kubiak can keep a fresh supply of running backs, he does have the Denver system inside him, last year Denver had about 6 running backs.....but don't count on it, I noticed during training camp this past week, Bryan continues to practice with Stanley and Kris Brown on a seperate field............
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A bad snap is normally a disaster. Also a dedicated long snapper can focus on just one thing, if you use an existing lineman they have to take time out of practice to work on snapping.
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Bryan Pittman long snapper. Flanagan,Hodgdon and even McKinney are on team. Can't any one of that trio be the LS & cut Pittman? I would like that spot to go to another player.
Remember the playoff game between the Giants and 49ers a few years ago? Last thing you want is to work hard all game and be in a position to win at the end with a field goal and have no idea where the snap is going. There's a big difference between a good long snapper and a bad long snapper.
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If he is far better at long snapping than everyone else he is garunteed a roster spot...why would we take the chance of putting someone out there thats might make a bad snap, and cost us in crunch time ? Long snapping isn't as easy as it looks...
Exactly, and IMO the most important thing you look for in a long snapper is consistency. Kind of like Mathis holding a roster spot last season as a KR, long snapper might not seem as important as a KR, but if you have a bad or inconsistent long snapper you will have problems.
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Remember the playoff game between the Giants and 49ers a few years ago? Last thing you want is to work hard all game and be in a position to win at the end with a field goal and have no idea where the snap is going. There's a big difference between a good long snapper and a bad long snapper.
I understand and agree. How many other teams have one guy to do LS? I just think that with the players we have now, every spot is coveted.
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the only player the bus will not leave without is the long snapper. A bad long snapper can guarentee bad field position all day. It is as important as the punter and kicker himself. The long snapper is jugged harshly. He has one job and he better do it more consistantly then anyone else or they will cut him and get someone who can due the job. This player takes a beating. His main job is to snap the ball and therfore takes a beating from the D-line while he snap. He will have his hand fully extended between his legs when he gets hit. You do not want a starter on the O-line in that position regularly. A long snap and shotgun snap are two very different things.
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Joppru can long snap very well he did it in college at Michigan first couple of years knows how to do it well
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I'm going from memory of a draft report here because I only follow the Longhorns casually, but wasn't their tight end also a long snapper? A lot of players break into the league as special teamers and try to earn additional position time. It seems to me a marginal position player who works at adding long snapper to his skill set could really increase his odds of making a team.

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The post above is a good example. It would be nice for the team's roster count if Joppru was a quality long snapper.


I didn't mean to imply that any ol' long snapper would do, if that is what it sounded like. Whoever has the job has to be able to do it well.
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I long snapped some back in HS and I hated it. I could do it, but there's a lot of weight resting on your shoulders if the team needs a last minute field goal or the punter is backed in the end zone. I'm definitely glad I'm not doing it anymore here in college.
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I woud say that if he's the best long snapper we have, KEEP HIM! We don't have to pay him millions or anything, but a screw-up from a long snapper could easily cost us any given game. If he cand do it and do it well, than he stays. I don't ever want to lose because someone screwed up a snap.
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Remember the playoff game between the Giants and 49ers a few years ago? Last thing you want is to work hard all game and be in a position to win at the end with a field goal and have no idea where the snap is going. There's a big difference between a good long snapper and a bad long snapper.
That game hurt me real bad. I was going to get a whole lot of $ on that one. And then they totally choked.
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It is not uncommon to have a center and a separate long snapper. The Bears have the best long snapper in the league in Patrick Mannelly. It is like having a Punter and a Kicker (dumb analysis) but they both can kick, but you want that specialty when it counts.

Even Centers in the NFL have the preference from direct snap versus shotgun. There are some centers in the NFL that prefer one over the other because when the QB is under center you snap it in there hard and fast (allowing you to take off the ball to block) versus shotgun you have to be careful on how hard you snap it (mentally delaying your blocking mind).
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Exactly, and IMO the most important thing you look for in a long snapper is consistency. Kind of like Mathis holding a roster spot last season as a KR, long snapper might not seem as important as a KR, but if you have a bad or inconsistent long snapper you will have problems.
Mathis was on team as a wide receiver also. Pittman does not play special teams to my knowledge. Can not veterans like Flanagan and McKinney be taught to snap deep? Why can Pittman do it? Is he more brave? Does he get his head up quicker? Do the other guys say "Hell, no, I ain't getting my block knocked off." Any missed block, kick, catch, fumble.. any blown play can cost the game. Coach does not say "Moulds your only play is to go 12 yards down field and hook to the sideline. You may get to do this play 5-6 times a game so get it right. We just might lose the game with out this play." I am not going to stop watching if Pittman continues to be our "snap the ball a bit further specialist". I just think that slot could be used for another back or linebacker or receiver...
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Wow! We apparently have some good insight into the long snapper. Like the kicker, this is one of those critical positions that is usually not given much thought outside of the coach's room. Have a good one, and you will sometimes forget he's there, but if you have a bad one, you'll never forget it.
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Mathis was on team as a wide receiver also. Pittman does not play special teams to my knowledge. Can not veterans like Flanagan and McKinney be taught to snap deep? Why can Pittman do it? Is he more brave? Does he get his head up quicker? Do the other guys say "Hell, no, I ain't getting my block knocked off." Any missed block, kick, catch, fumble.. any blown play can cost the game. Coach does not say "Moulds your only play is to go 12 yards down field and hook to the sideline. You may get to do this play 5-6 times a game so get it right. We just might lose the game with out this play." I am not going to stop watching if Pittman continues to be our "snap the ball a bit further specialist". I just think that slot could be used for another back or linebacker or receiver...
What does he play then??? :brickwall
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Mathis was on team as a wide receiver also. Pittman does not play special teams to my knowledge. Can not veterans like Flanagan and McKinney be taught to snap deep? Why can Pittman do it? Is he more brave? Does he get his head up quicker? Do the other guys say "Hell, no, I ain't getting my block knocked off." Any missed block, kick, catch, fumble.. any blown play can cost the game. Coach does not say "Moulds your only play is to go 12 yards down field and hook to the sideline. You may get to do this play 5-6 times a game so get it right. We just might lose the game with out this play." I am not going to stop watching if Pittman continues to be our "snap the ball a bit further specialist". I just think that slot could be used for another back or linebacker or receiver...
Longsnapping is not just a little bit further. Shotgun is a little bit further for a center. You cannot lob a snap to a punter with people coming from all directions, you have to rifle that ball to the punter and just as quick as you would see a center snap the ball to the QB. It takes much skill to do this accurately and quickly.
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