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Old 07-31-2006   #1
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Default Kubiak concerned about DD "since he got to Houston"

"Kubiak, who wants to run the ball consistently to set up the passing game, and offensive coordinator Troy Calhoun have been concerned about Davis since they got to Houston."

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well, he has been injured since they came to houston, so it's only natural that they'd be concerned.
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Davis is extremely productive when he's healthy, but he has trouble making it through an entire season. Any normal head coach would worry about that. Depth is very important.
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Kub in a 610 interview just related that the Texans are going to be smart about DD........if he needs a couple more days rest, etc......he said that he is confident because DD knows how to play through these type of adversities.

That may be part of the problem. When a knee is painful, swollen and accumulates fluid, it's the body's way of telling you that there is significant inflammation secondary to continued trauma to the knee. You need to find out what is causing that continued trauma and treat it as appropriately. You don't PLAY through it.
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Kub in a 610 interview just related that the Texans are going to be smart about DD........if he needs a couple more days rest, etc......he said that he is confident because DD knows how to play through these type of adversities.

That may be part of the problem. When a knee is painful, swollen and accumulates fluid, it's the body's way of telling you that there is significant inflammation secondary to continued trauma to the knee. You need to find out what is causing that continued trauma and treat it as appropriately. You don't PLAY through it.
"Cloak," are you telling us what I think you're telling us? That the surgery (scope?) didn't get everything out, or possibly caused more damage, and that he may need more surgery now? And, if so, if they continue to play him now, will that further damage the knee?
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They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.
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If only there was a running back we could have drafted...
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I've got a bad feeling that DD is not going to be the starting RB for most of our games. As much as I like him as a player and person, I just think his durability is questionable, at best.
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They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.

That is probably why they tried to trade back into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams.
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But in Kubiaks system, I thought you really didn't need a 1st round RB, you could plug in other RB's. (see T. Davis, C. Portis, Bell, Dayne, etc.)
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Kub in a 610 interview just related that the Texans are going to be smart about DD........if he needs a couple more days rest, etc......he said that he is confident because DD knows how to play through these type of adversities.

That may be part of the problem. When a knee is painful, swollen and accumulates fluid, it's the body's way of telling you that there is significant inflammation secondary to continued trauma to the knee. You need to find out what is causing that continued trauma and treat it as appropriately. You don't PLAY through it.
And God help him if he has a re-injury to the same knee...Which will be very possible...This doesn't sound good...Hope Smith can really step up....
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They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.
Again with the "Texans are stupid for not choosing Reggie Bush" mantra?

Sheesh.........................

I cringe at how much Bush and his agent would have demanded from us for being the 1st pick. I mean, think about this: Mario and Vince's contracts basically shaped Reggies' contract because it painted him into a corner in terms of what the league's sliding scale of guranteed money looks like...otherwise, we would probably have a serious holdout with Reggie if he went No. 1 with us.

There'd be no telling how much he would have asked...and then it would affect how much No. 2 would ask of the Saints, and how much No. 3 would have asked of the Titans.

I think the reason you saw NO OTHER NFL TEAM trade up to get Bush is because they look at the $$$ ramifications involved. It would have been a huge blow to the whole concept of "keeping it real."

Call me crazy, but I think Houston Texans did all of NFL a huge favor by NOT picking Reggie Bush No. 1 overall. And the ramifications of that extend to us as fans who enjoy the game.

We made the best choice for who we were (and who we want to be).
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I've got a bad feeling that DD is not going to be the starting RB for most of our games. As much as I like him as a player and person, I just think his durability is questionable, at best.
I've been saying the same thing.

I don't want him to sit, but I mean...how can you truly look at it and think that DD is going to be able to carry the type of load that's needed?

I still say that a Chris Brown trade is in order. While I appreciate Kubiak's "system" being able to support "any" RB...I would like to see us acquire a RB who is proven. And I know Brown has had some injuries, too, but it's nothing like DD's knee.

We provide Brown a golden opportunity: (A) To be the No. 1 guy from the beginning, and (B) To stick it to Bud Adams for drafting LenDale White.
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I wouldn't count on the Titans trading Brown to a team in the division. If we are going to trade for anyone, I think it is going to be Bennett. A darkhorse that I would like to see us look at if we are looking for a vet is former Tulane alum Mewelde Moore. He reminds me of Davis, only a better receiver.
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I wouldn't count on the Titans trading Brown to a team in the division. If we are going to trade for anyone, I think it is going to be Bennett. A darkhorse that I would like to see us look at if we are looking for a vet is former Tulane alum Mewelde Moore. He reminds me of Davis, only a better receiver.
I concede that Brown would be an unlikely trade.

Mewelde Moore is not too shabby. And "Yeah," I'd take him over Bennett.

I just don't have a good feeling about the risk/reward ratio involving Bennett.
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They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.
Guess that shows you what they really thought of Bush.
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Davis is extremely productive when he's healthy, but he has trouble making it through an entire season. Any normal head coach would worry about that. Depth is very important.
He's having a hard time making it through this off-season!

I am far from a gloom and doom guy but Domanick Davis has had me worried since he got hurt last season and now I'm really hoping that we found ourselves one of those late round steals in Lundy or that Morency will suddenly get it and turn into, if not Terrell Davis then at least a Mike Anderson.
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"Cloak," are you telling us what I think you're telling us? That the surgery (scope?) didn't get everything out, or possibly caused more damage, and that he may need more surgery now? And, if so, if they continue to play him now, will that further damage the knee?
Insideop, I posted a comprehensive answer to your question on the 4th page of the TRAINING CAMP: DAY 3 thread.
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They knew all of this, yet they passed up Reggie Bush? Very questionable decision making imo.
I understand the PoV - but I guess it all depends on how you want ot build your team and where you want to spend your money.

Big money offense - scores lots of points, but cant afford any more than an average defense
Big Money defense - Shuts down alot of teams, but cant afford more than an average offense.

Where do you want to spend the $$$?

To look at another sport [Basketball]

The Big money offense is like The Dallas Mavericks - Great at making points - not so great in stopping anyone from doing the same. Has a chance to win some games, but has to rely on being hot at the end of a game to do it and makign enough stops to prevent the other team from outscoring them.

The big Money Defense would be like last years Detroit - Great at stopping teams and slowing thigns down, not so great at the offensive end. Has a cahcen to win more games because they rely on stopping the other team from scoring and average offensive production. When they get hot on Offense - Look out!

IMO the decision to take Mario over Bush makes alot of sense from a Big picture view of the team. It goes back to the old adage of course - Offense scores Touchdowns - Defense wins championships. IMO We cant outscore the Colts with the talent and experience level we have on the Offense currently. Even if we would have taken bush it would take Kubes & Co a few years to develop the talent on Offense and build some continuity in the gameplan to be competing with the Colts or whomever is tops in our division. By then we could maybe outlast the colts in a shoot out, but we wouldnt have a #1 pick DE to put pressure on the other team with. Granted we could score soem points, but I'm not comfortable giving Manning the ball anytime with what our defense has shown him the last 4 years.

Honestly if I were a coach in this league - give me a dominating Defense everytime over a Point scoring offense. The two will cancel out eventually and one will prevail and history has shown thus far that the Defense is usually the one on top. To me by the time Bush would be making a difference on the offense, the rest of the squad would be improved as well to the point having him would be a good thing, but his salary would be prohibitive to getting many other big players for the team. I look at the Patriots as the best example of making use of the talent they have and not reaching for top pick talents that strap the whole clubs flexability down. To me we can get just about any average RB not named Bush in the league to get 1000+ yards behind a decent zone blocking line. And by going the route we did we can afford a decent RB and a #1 DE to chase the other teams QB too.

Back to Dom - IMO DD is a big ??? and one that will be addressed all year by the team. Honestly I think if they play it safe with DD he will maybe play half the games this year if not be put on the PuP to save wear and tear on him while the team plays its first half schedule and makes adjustments. Kubes knows DD is a good RB and IMO will use him sparingly until he feels he can play good minutes. Even though Davis just signed a big contract with us last year, I could see Kubes picking up a few Rb's next year to compete for minutes and maybe look at releasing DD if his injuries dont respond well enough between this year and next years Off season. Denver had a history of going thru backs good and bad - I dont forsee that changing here in Houston. I really like Dom and think he could be a great player for the team, but if his body doesnt cooperate - he cant force it. I dont think Kubes will wait too much past the end of TC to name a starter. IF DD cant go 90% or better for the first pre-season game I could see him maybe sitting that game and maybe more until they have a handle on how to keep the swelling down in his knee. I really dont see them making DD the starter our of camp if he isnt able to make some strides in his rehab. Its not worth the risk of losing him all year.
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Coach Kubiak is looking for backs and is impressed with the young guys already on the roster. IMO he is simply looking for someone with the strait up homerun speed. From the TC reports coming in it sounds like we might have someone to fill that roll. But as Coach K. quoted: “We’ll keep our eyes out in this league for veteran backs just like corners.” Michael Bennett comes to mind and he is fast, and apparently, discreetly, on the market. Can one person honestly tell me DD has that homerun speed. Yea I think Coach K is concerned and looking for the men to fit into his system.

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