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Old 07-26-2006   #1
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Who do y'all think is the better reciever: Mathis or Walter? Mathis no doubt has the speed to burn defenders, but I've talked to Cincy fans and they all say Walter runs terrific routes and finds open space, he is a good possession reciever.

Just wanted some more opinions.
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Who do y'all think is the better reciever: Mathis or Walter? Mathis no doubt has the speed to burn defenders, but I've talked to Cincy fans and they all say Walter runs terrific routes and finds open space, he is a good possession reciever.

Just wanted some more opinions.
Right now I'd say Walters due to Mathis being hurt. Other than his return game Mathis didn't really impress me much.
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Who do y'all think is the better reciever: Mathis or Walter? Mathis no doubt has the speed to burn defenders, but I've talked to Cincy fans and they all say Walter runs terrific routes and finds open space, he is a good possession reciever.

Just wanted some more opinions.

Walter with-out a doubt . Mathis is fast but runs poor routes and gets a zero for work ethic . The guy has GOD given ability ..... Its time he puts out some effort to improve himself .
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I still don't know where people get this Mathis is the practice clown schtick. Does anyone have a source for this other than "McClain said it on the radio once?"
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I'll choose none of the above (in the battle for the #3 WR).

Armstrong is a notch above both in my head. He is a reliable reciever and should be a #3 for us. He's been underused so much by the coaching staff the last couple years it's rediculous. Give Armstrong the ball

I think other than his kick returner skills Mathis has been somewhat disappointing and that he may become better than Walter in a few years but currently out of the two you stated I'd pick Walter.
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If it wasn't for his speed, Mathis wouldn't be in the league. His hands, routes, work ethic, etc., would make him at best, a CFL player. I haven't seen enough of Walters to make a statement, but I'm sure he's the better WR.
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If it wasn't for his speed, Mathis wouldn't be in the league. His hands, routes, work ethic, etc., would make him at best, a CFL player. I haven't seen enough of Walters to make a statement, but I'm sure he's the better WR.
I just saw a couple of clips of him with the Bengals on the NFL network during lunch. He looked pretty good to me, granted they were highlights. He looked like a good sized fella too.
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I still don't know where people get this Mathis is the practice clown schtick. Does anyone have a source for this other than "McClain said it on the radio once?"
Good point, Jerek. I haven't. Richard Justice said it once too, if that helps.
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I still don't know where people get this Mathis is the practice clown schtick. Does anyone have a source for this other than "McClain said it on the radio once?"
Well, you do know where people get this, since you answered your own question. There was one comment about Mathis' attitude in the media, mix that with the motorcycle accident, put it in the message board pressure cooker, and voila......controversy.

I thought the whole Mathis attitude thing was an interesting case study in how people repeat each other's opinions, and those opinions gain more and more credibility throug repetition without the addition of new facts or observations.

This reminds me of an interesting quote in The Poe Shadow. I may have to look it up and use it as my signature.
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Well, you do know where people get this, since you answered your own question. There was one comment about Mathis' attitude in the media, mix that with the motorcycle accident, put it in the message board pressure cooker, and voila......controversy.

I thought the whole Mathis attitude thing was an interesting case study in how people repeat each other's opinions, and those opinions gain more and more credibility without the addition of new facts or observations.

This reminds me of an interesting quote in The Poe Shadow. I may have to look it up and use it as my signature.
Thanks for clearing that up at any rate. A guy can be a hothead (reports of fighting, though some would even say thats just misdirected competitive fire) or a dummy (wheelies on the freeway, bad idea) and still be a hard worker.

No idea, maybe he is a practice bozo, but I've never heard that from a remotely credible source. IIRC McClain's quote had to do with Mathis not liking the old coaches and McClain wondering aloud if he'd get along better than the new.
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Well, you do know where people get this, since you answered your own question. There was one comment about Mathis' attitude in the media, mix that with the motorcycle accident, put it in the message board pressure cooker, and voila......controversy.

I thought the whole Mathis attitude thing was an interesting case study in how people repeat each other's opinions, and those opinions gain more and more credibility throug repetition without the addition of new facts or observations.

This reminds me of an interesting quote in The Poe Shadow. I may have to look it up and use it as my signature.
Wasn't he late to a Pro-bowl event? I'm not insueing that makes him a bad person, but I think that's where all the nagativity got started. I might be wrong though. Personally, I love the guy as far as a returner. watching him kick on the afterburners on a return is fun to watch. I hope he gets healthy soon.
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Wasn't he late to a Pro-bowl event? I'm not insueing that makes him a bad person, but I think that's where all the nagativity got started. I might be wrong though. Personally, I love the guy as far as a returner. watching him kick on the afterburners on a return is fun to watch. I hope he gets healthy soon.
Maybe. I still think things got overblown very quickly. Just to be clear, I think he has a lot of work to do before he is an NFL caliber receiver that deserves a lot of playing time. I just don't think is a locker room cancer or trouble maker as some believe.

Of course, I could be wrong.
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I dont really listen when McClain or Justice talk because I think they just like the sound of their own voices and they hardly ever have anything intelligent to say, so I dont really know about Mathis' work ethic. If anyone can coach him up to a good reciever, I think it would be Kubiak. I have seen some clips of Walter and I think he can be a dangeruos slot reciever. With Johnson and Moulds getting som extra attention, I think he will have no problem getting open against most D's (if he isnt open, Putzier should be)


I cant wait to see a more agressive offense this year instead of run, run, sack, punt like last year. Carr has some weapons to work with this year.
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Well, you do know where people get this, since you answered your own question. There was one comment about Mathis' attitude in the media, mix that with the motorcycle accident, put it in the message board pressure cooker, and voila......controversy.

I thought the whole Mathis attitude thing was an interesting case study in how people repeat each other's opinions, and those opinions gain more and more credibility throug repetition without the addition of new facts or observations.

This reminds me of an interesting quote in The Poe Shadow. I may have to look it up and use it as my signature.
For what it's worth, I asked Kyle Shanahan about his hard-headedness at the draft party and he certainly didn't deny it and in a round about sort of way confirmed it.
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Maybe. I still think things got overblown very quickly. Just to be clear, I think he has a lot of work to do before he is an NFL caliber receiver that deserves a lot of playing time. I just don't think is a locker room cancer or trouble maker as some believe.

Of course, I could be wrong.
That Pro-bowl thing was the only negative thing I've heard. I can't really see him being a trouble maker. Wasn't he picked in the lates rds of the draft?

I don't really see him being a receiver any time soon. We need him as a return specialist.
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For what it's worth, I asked Kyle Shanahan about his hard-headedness at the draft party and he certainly didn't deny it and in a round about sort of way confirmed it.
I don't even like half your posts, wonger, but that post right there is a more credible source than McClain's extremely vague comment. It wouldn't even surprise me, just irritates me that people are blasting the guy and not giving a reason as to why they believe it.

Mathis was picked in Round 4, and I think he can be a dangerous receiver for us. Hopefully he gets better and gets practicing.
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Wasn't he picked in the lates rds of the draft?
I think he was a 4th rounder. On the plus side, at least he wasnt been arrested for anything
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Mathis got into some trouble with the law while he was in college. I can't remember what it was for. He has also been in at least one fight with a teammate off the field. I wouldn't conclude (yet) that he's a bad guy, but by the Texans' standards he appears to be troublemaker.

Interesting find on his coach... http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/28/Sp...t_arrest.shtml

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I think Mathis will be used mostly as a KR and only a little as a receiver due to his abilities as a KR (speed!) and lack of abilities as a receiver (route running, hands, experience).

Walter, I haven't seen at all, but I've been hearing/reading good things about him. He's tall, runs good routes, and has good hands. On the negative side, I heard he's not very fast. I think he will be our 3rd or 4th receiver with Armstrong according to what I've been reading.

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Mathis got into some trouble with the law while he was in college. I can't remember what it was for. He has also been in at least one fight with a teammate off the field. I wouldn't conclude (yet) that he's a bad guy, but by the Texans' standards he appears to be troublemaker.

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