Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-20-2006   #1
Buffi2
Site Contributor
 
Buffi2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: livingston, texas
Posts: 1,548
Rep Power: 631 Buffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respectedBuffi2 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default KHOU 2006 Texan predictions

http://www.khou.com/sports/texans/st...p.678b94b.html



Giff Nielsen, Butch Alsandor, and Matt Musil give their predictions for the upcoming season. Nothing great, but at least they are positive, predict 8-8 at the worst and that is nice to hear. Giff even goes so far as to say 10 wins are possible.

At the very least it is a football fix for the day even if Matt Musil does call Mario Maurice.

Go Texans!
Buffi2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2006   #2
TwinSisters
Hall of Fame
 
TwinSisters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 1,470
Rep Power: 12 TwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVP
Default

o crap.

If Giff said 10-6... it's going to be 6-10 for sure.

I highly recommend checking out Musil's clip. He tells a funny and interesting story about Kubiak and our practice sessions from last year. Musil smells like a dummy and might not be afraid to stretch the truth a little, but it's still interesting nonetheless.
__________________
First of all you should always take the best player-Polian.
TwinSisters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2006   #3
Insideop
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: In the "Control Room"
Age: 59
Posts: 1,736
Rep Power: 11503 Insideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respectedInsideop is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Good stuff! All 3 were pretty optimistic about the season with 8 wins being about the norm. Although, Giff thought 10 wins were a possibility if things fall right. I did find Matt's little story about when the Broncos and Texans were training together last year interesting. Whether the story is true or not I don't know, but the situation of the teams (the Broncos having a system and the Texans didn't) is true. And whether the Texans win 10 games or 6games this year doesn't matter that much to me because I know Kubes has a system in place (and I believe it is a good system) that will ultimately build a long term winner, provided we give him a chance. Thats my .
Insideop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2006   #4
TexanFan881
Hall of Fame
 
TexanFan881's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Illinois
Age: 24
Posts: 2,802
Rep Power: 1791 TexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanFan881 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to TexanFan881
Default

Wow, maybe we do have something to look forward too this year
__________________
Proud Adoptee Of Our Future Starting Running Back Chris Taylor
TexanFan881 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2006   #5
Speedy
Yeller Dweller
 
Speedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Livable Forest
Section: 547 - Row A - Dark Side
Posts: 3,233
Rep Power: 70160 Speedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respectedSpeedy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Yeah, but what we're they predicting last year?
Speedy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2006   #6
Lucky
Moderator
 
Lucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 13,322
Rep Power: 181825 Lucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinSisters
...Musil smells like a dummy and might not be afraid to stretch the truth a little, but it's still interesting nonetheless.
I've watched Musil since I can remember, and he's never been a guy who blows smoke. "They're running a system and we're just running plays." That was the plain truth. Funny that Musil likens Mario to MJ, since it was Bush & Young who were compared to Jordan before the draft.
__________________
“We’re looking for a coach that...works with great energy and enthusiasm and very positive in his approach.” - Bob McNair
Lucky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #7
southtexan
Veteran
 
southtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Age: 53
Posts: 172
Rep Power: 11 southtexan is ridin' the pine
Default

Forgive my ignorance, what is the difference between running plays and running a system?
__________________
He who was born to be hung needn't be afraid of a bullet
southtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 07-21-2006   #8
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 48,466
Rep Power: 388264 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by southtexan
Forgive my ignorance, what is the difference between running plays and running a system?
Think putting on a brave face or going thru the motions vs. developing a plan of attack or practicing how to win.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #9
Lucky
Moderator
 
Lucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 13,322
Rep Power: 181825 Lucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by southtexan
Forgive my ignorance, what is the difference between running plays and running a system?
In a system, like the West Coast Offense, plays work off each other in order to setup the defense and to take advantage of what the offense does best. Say one play will be a straight handoff to the strong side. A compliment play would be a fake to that same strong side run, with a rollout to the weakside. Followed at somepoint by a play where the QB doesn't complete the rollout and throws back to the strong side. A series of plays that work together to keep the defense off balance.

The Texans' offense was just trying to find any play that worked. Then they would run that play until the defense stopped it. Multiple times. I don't think you could point to a series of plays that complimented each other. The Texans ran the heck out of that quick hitch, or "Now" play. But did they ever try to fake that hitch and go upfield? No continuity, no structure. That's the difference.
__________________
“We’re looking for a coach that...works with great energy and enthusiasm and very positive in his approach.” - Bob McNair
Lucky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #10
nunusguy
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 8,991
Rep Power: 185 nunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respectednunusguy is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffi2
Giff Nielsen, Butch Alsandor, and Matt Musil give their predictions for the upcoming season.
As much as I like the anchors and weather guy Doc on 11, I dropped that
channel for 13 because Giff & Co are so weak IMO. 13 easily has the best sports crew, and I've also become a huge Gina fan. Dang, I've even gotten
to where I kinda like goofie ole Marvin.
By the way, sometimes I kinda wish that 13 would lose stick-in-the-mood
Dave Ward. Anchor Tom Cook and Gina have such great chemistry together
and actually make the news fun some nights.
nunusguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #11
aj.
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,769
Rep Power: 658 aj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by southtexan
Forgive my ignorance, what is the difference between running plays and running a system?
Forest = system.
Trees = plays
3 Charlie Brown christmas trees = Texans playbook last year

Last edited by aj.; 07-21-2006 at 08:52 AM.
aj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #12
geofb
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 130
Rep Power: 11 geofb is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffi2
http://www.khou.com/sports/texans/st...p.678b94b.html

Giff even goes so far as to say 10 wins are possible.
Giff's credibility takes a big hit in that case. Homerism I suppose. Keep the locals happy and tell them what they want to hear. Hopefully we are headed in the right direction (finally) but we are a long way from 10 wins.
geofb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #13
JDizzle
I'm a dude
 
JDizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,946
Rep Power: 7477 JDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respectedJDizzle is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
Forest = system.
Trees = plays
3 Charlie Brown christmas trees = Texans playbook last year
Nice.
JDizzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #14
the wonger need food
Hall of Fame
 
the wonger need food's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 45
Posts: 2,562
Rep Power: 1340 the wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by geofb
Giff's credibility takes a big hit in that case. Homerism I suppose. Keep the locals happy and tell them what they want to hear. Hopefully we are headed in the right direction (finally) but we are a long way from 10 wins.
Well, Giff is definitely not an objective media source. From what I hear he's treated like one of the family over at One Reliant Park.
the wonger need food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #15
TwinSisters
Hall of Fame
 
TwinSisters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 1,470
Rep Power: 12 TwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky
I've watched Musil since I can remember, and he's never been a guy who blows smoke. "They're running a system and we're just running plays." That was the plain truth. Funny that Musil likens Mario to MJ, since it was Bush & Young who were compared to Jordan before the draft.
I will start off by saying I don't completely disagree... it could very well be that way.

I did go back and re-listen to Musil though. Here' the thing ( for me ), sports journalism is real formulaic. There are certain patterns and structures to it that are the same and have been the same for many years. The key that I heard was that he was talking to a "Texans' Employee" during a practice. When you hide the source, there is usually something wrong with it. Maybe the employee was the janitor, or the ticket manager, or didn't even exist... who knows because you are not going to track it down anyway.

It's still fishy though too... a Texans' employee talking about their own system to a reporter and dissing it before any games have been played? Nobody knew the Texans were going to implode until our line got hurt and we got drubbed by Seattle. At that point, I think things started to feel bad like... like not only were we not going to the playoffs, but again we would have a losing season and it wasn't just the offensive playcalling because Palmer was fired in week 2.

( well I guess you can say there were a ton of "I always knew" people, but those are usually flakes that didn't really know until after it had already happened )
---

On the system:

I think what Musil is talking about here is more about how and what the plan was for practice as oppossed to the "offensive systems" sense of the word.

Like he is trying to say the Broncos were more disciplined and doing specific tasks and a particular tempo as oppossed to whatever the Texans were doing at the time. That's what I think he is talking about.
__________________
First of all you should always take the best player-Polian.

Last edited by TwinSisters; 07-21-2006 at 09:14 AM.
TwinSisters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #16
edo783
Site Contributor
 
edo783's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston, again.
Posts: 7,708
Rep Power: 4641 edo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respectededo783 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Good videos. Seems to be that 8-8 is the number in their book. Giff didn't actually predict that we would have 10 wins, just that if bounces go our way it could happen. Personally, I think 6-10 is the number, but hope for more.
__________________


De Oppresso Liber
edo783 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #17
the wonger need food
Hall of Fame
 
the wonger need food's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 45
Posts: 2,562
Rep Power: 1340 the wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinSisters
Nobody knew the Texans were going to implode until our line got hurt and we got drubbed by Seattle.
A lot of us knew what we were in for after watching the last preseason game against Tampa. The entire team looked completely lost. The battle cry on this board was "It's Only Preseason", but all the signs were there.

Last edited by the wonger need food; 07-21-2006 at 09:46 AM.
the wonger need food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #18
TwinSisters
Hall of Fame
 
TwinSisters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 1,470
Rep Power: 12 TwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVPTwinSisters was voted MVP
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the wonger need food
A lot of us saw knew what we were in for after watching the last preseason game against Tampa. The entire team looked completely lost. The battle cry on this board was "It's Only Preseason", but all the signs were there.
Yeah, but this is the same motherboard that knew Reggie Bush was going to be taken at #1 too. ( plus Greg Davis needed be fired, and Young is not a QB, a Carr is great and the other 21 starters are the problem, and a whole host of other perfectly normal things )

SO let me edit that now.

Last season I sat through the whole debacle with a number of football fellas that didn't care one way or the other about the Texans. Remotely interested is the word. In that particular circle, hope for any change wasn't lost until that Seattle game took place. At that point, people could convince 'me' that there was something else wrong besides the playcalling.

so I am not talking for everyone... just sharing how it went down for myself. That I think is the correct way to present it... or a better way to say it.
__________________
First of all you should always take the best player-Polian.
TwinSisters is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #19
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
 
TexansLucky13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Maryland
Age: 27
Posts: 4,773
Rep Power: 7167 TexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respectedTexansLucky13 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky
The Texans' offense was just trying to find any play that worked. Then they would run that play until the defense stopped it. Multiple times. I don't think you could point to a series of plays that complimented each other.
Sounds like me when I first started playing Madden.

Shotgun Z28 Skid was the ultimate play on NFL Blitz

I predict 7-9. I hope you guys are more correct, though.
__________________
TexansLucky13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2006   #20
Lucky
Moderator
 
Lucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 13,322
Rep Power: 181825 Lucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respectedLucky is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinSisters
On the system:

I think what Musil is talking about here is more about how and what the plan was for practice as oppossed to the "offensive systems" sense of the word.

Like he is trying to say the Broncos were more disciplined and doing specific tasks and a particular tempo as oppossed to whatever the Texans were doing at the time. That's what I think he is talking about.
That's absolutely part of it. Bill Walsh has said that his system incorporated every facet of the game. From allotting the practice time, to laying out the game plan, to teaching the players how to line up in the huddle. Certainly it's more than just the schematics of the plays.

I've watched Dom Capers practices for 4 seasons. Just looking at them from the bleachers, the practices had the appearance of being organized and disciplined. It wasn't until the Texans' play on the field manifested that I recognized that my impressions of a efficient practice were only a mirage. The Texans’ lack of cohesion was on display each and every week during the actual games. In the end, a system is only as good as the product on the field each Sunday.
__________________
“We’re looking for a coach that...works with great energy and enthusiasm and very positive in his approach.” - Bob McNair
Lucky is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:22 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger