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Old 07-20-2006   #1
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this guy could be a solid pick up. veteran safety. thoughts?
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I believe we mad a bid for this guy a while back. Looks like we could go for him and possibly get him without sacrificing anything.

However, I wont get too happy. Other teams seem to always outbid us or be more attractive and Kubiak seems happy with what we got ( I don't know why).

He also seems to have made himself look like a bad locker room guy. I don't think Mcnair will go for that.

However, he has playoff/Super Bowl experience and possesses way more than any of the the guys we got .
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Saints overloaded at safety

Defensively the safety position appears to be just as cluttered as the receiver position is on offense. Payton and staff have been acquiring safeties since arriving in New Orleans. By far this is the deepest position on defense and one that will force players to fight for roster spots. With players like Smith, Bellamy, Bullocks, Scott, Stoutmire, Gleason, and rookie Roman Harper, the battle appears set to be a tough one. While Dwight Smith has been in many trade rumors, he continues to work with the team and unless somebody makes the right offer, he will likely remain in contention to start.

This is the write up that Smith received just after his free agency aquisition by the Saints in 2005:

Saints fans have had four years to get a good look at safety DWIGHT SMITH -- arguably the franchise's biggest pick-up in the offseason -- who has played for NFC South rival Tampa Bay through his entire NFL career. With Smith, the Saints hope they have an athletic, fierce playmaker in the defensive secondary, a force that's been missing since the departure of Sammy Knight in 2003. Also, Smith brings a Super Bowl ring to the Saints, which management hopes brings that intangible quality of a winning attitude to the locker room. In Super Bowl XXXVII, Smith became the first player in NFL history to return two interceptions for touchdowns during the championship game, making flashy runs of 44 and 50 yards.

Known for hard hits and superb cover skills, Smith (5-foot-10, 201 pounds) is expected to be a starter on opening day in the free safety slot. Smith started his last 32 games for Tampa Bay after playing college ball at Akron and last season recorded a career-high 104 tackles. Smith was signed to a five-year contract worth $15 million, with perhaps the only question mark coming from two arrests on weapon charges. A conviction in 2002 for pulling a gun on a motorist brought anger-management classes, probation and fines. Charges were dropped subsequent to an arrest this March following an incident in which two fans approached Smith in a fast-food parking lot and alleged that Smith pointed a pellet gun at them.

Smith was considered by many to be the best free safety in this year's free-agency pool, but the arrests could have dampened his marketability. This move helps the Saints on several fronts: it removes the glaring (and expensive) disappointment of Tebucky Jones from the roster and adds a playmaker to the secondary while also removing one from a division rival. It won't help, though, if Smith makes more headlines off the field.

Further clarification of the BB gun incident
BB-gun shootings by athletes take place about once a year and are generally a collegiate offense directly connected to massive alcohol consumption. Pro athletes, however, have also been known to dabble. The most heralded BB-gun offender in this country is probably former Tampa Bay defensive back Dwight Smith, he of two Super Bowl interceptions for touchdowns. Some years back, Smith allegedly pulled a BB gun on a motorist in the drive-through lane of a McDonald’s. Smith’s BB gun was the firearm version of the Patch; he was using a substitute after having been arrested for pulling a nine-millimeter pistol on a motorist years before.

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Old 07-20-2006   #4
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He's going to be moderately expensive, but definitely an uprade over what we currently have.

Let's hope our Tampa connection (Kyle Shanahan) can help us sign this guy.
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Smith would be a quality pick up and better at this point in his career would be better than either starting safety.
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I would not mind picking him up, inserting him into the FS position, and have Earl and CC fight for the SS spot.
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The disturbing part of this story is that multiple teams pursued him with New Orleans as part of a trade and somehow straight up releasing him seemed to be the best option.

Maybe throwing a late round pick to them at this point is more appetizing than nothing. At this point, adding a playmaker at the SS position would be wonderful, and worth the character issues in my opinion.
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Well that BB gun stuff could never be pulled in Houston. You pull a gun over there, that thing better be real and it better be loaded or your going to have five pointing right back at you.
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Maybe the coaches really do feel good about the secondary and we will just stand pat. No doubt Smith is an upgrade, but there are a lot of other factors that we are not privy to.


“We actually felt like that’s kind of a strength of our football team. We were a little worried at safety about three weeks ago and then we were able to sign Michael Stone from New England, so that helped us." - Gary Kubiak (day after the draft)
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I read about Stone's profile, and seems like he is big and athletic, but is dogged for always being a step late due to a lack of football instinct.

Seems to be the same critique for everyone, but why does bringing in a guy with 37 career tackles in 50 games 'solidify' what we are doing.

Ceandris Brown (just wanted to use his real name after finding it out) is solid, as is Earl, but having a high quality S like Smith instantly makes this defense better for the next 3 - 4 years (whatever is left on the contract).

After Stone, we rely on Walker? Lord? Simmons? Simmons is undersized and Lord is athletic but not savvy. I think if we have the cap space, we go after an area on the team that could be a solid component for years to come.
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It appears he has the talent to be an upgrade, but with the attitude he seems to have I think McNair would be a bit hesitant to go out on a limb for him.
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Known for hard hits and superb cover skills, Smith (5-foot-10, 201 pounds) is expected to be a starter on opening day in the free safety slot. Smith started his last 32 games for Tampa Bay after playing college ball at Akron and last season recorded a career-high 104 tackles. Smith was signed to a five-year contract worth $15 million, with perhaps the only question mark coming from two arrests on weapon charges. A conviction in 2002 for pulling a gun on a motorist brought anger-management classes, probation and fines. Charges were dropped subsequent to an arrest this March following an incident in which two fans approached Smith in a fast-food parking lot and alleged that Smith pointed a pellet gun at them.

I'd be surprised if McNair and Kubes go after this guy with his bad off the field background. But, you never know!
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I read about Stone's profile, and seems like he is big and athletic, but is dogged for always being a step late due to a lack of football instinct.

Seems to be the same critique for everyone, but why does bringing in a guy with 37 career tackles in 50 games 'solidify' what we are doing.

Ceandris Brown (just wanted to use his real name after finding it out) is solid, as is Earl, but having a high quality S like Smith instantly makes this defense better for the next 3 - 4 years (whatever is left on the contract).

After Stone, we rely on Walker? Lord? Simmons? Simmons is undersized and Lord is athletic but not savvy. I think if we have the cap space, we go after an area on the team that could be a solid component for years to come.
Stone is a 2nd round (2001) safety that never started a game until last year. The guy couldn't get a start with the friggin' Cardinals in 4 seasons. That doesn't sound very solid to me...
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Stone is a 2nd round (2001) safety that never started a game until last year. The guy couldn't get a start with the friggin' Cardinals in 4 seasons. That doesn't sound very solid to me...
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For now...
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I think they need to do their due dillegence, but talent wise, this is a no-brainer. It all depends on whether or not the character issues outweigh the potential play on the field, because he would give us a legit FS for the first time in our history. Maybe not pro-bowl caliber, but the guy has been a solid starting free safety, which makes one ask, why did N.O. just dump him like that?
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because he would give us a legit FS for the first time in our history.
We had a solid FS in Marlon McCree. The brain trust of talent evaluators let him go--he wasn't good enough to start for us, but he was good enough to start for the #3 D last year and has been signed to upgrade the #13 D.
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We had a solid FS in Marlon McCree. The brain trust of talent evaluators let him go--he wasn't good enough to start for us, but he was good enough to start for the #3 D last year and has been signed to upgrade the #13 D.
Kenny Wright started for a pretty good defense last season also.
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From day one we've lacked a good free safety. Earl and Smith would be a good tandem in the secondary. I'm all for it, comptition if nothing else. Doubt it will happen though.
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D. Smith is not likely to get a look from the Texans. The guy is a good safety, but we have two young guys that have shown adequate flashes when healthy. With work Hoke and Smith feel that the safety position will get better. Smith will likely end up on a team that is lacking a true starting or legitimate backup FS. Look for him to maybe land around Tampa, San Diego, Baltimore, or even Pittsburgh.
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