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Old 07-20-2006   #1
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Looks like Bush is indeed looking for a "better deal than what Houston gave Mario":


July 19, 2006
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New Orleans Saints top draft pick Reggie Bush will likely be a holdout when the team opens training camp in Jackson next week, a representative of the star running back told the Clarion-Ledger today.

Mike Ornstein, Bush's marketing agent, said Bush and the Saints "probably" won't agree to terms on a contract until after camp starts.

The Saints report to Millsaps College on July 27 and will start practice the following afternoon on the campus just north of downtown Jackson.

"Do we feel like he'll be there at the start?" Ornstein said in a telephone interview from his California office. "I'm not sure where we are right now. I'd say probably not, at this stage."

Bush, the Heisman Trophy winner out of Southern Cal, was the No. 2 overall pick in April's NFL draft. During the Saints' rookie mini-camp in May, Bush said he told his team of agents to do whatever they needed to make sure a deal was reached that would allow him to report to camp on time.

Saints general manager Mickey Loomis did not immediately respond to an interview request. The Saints have signed three of their eight 2006 draft picks in the past 10 days. But the team's top four picks remain unsigned a week before players report, which is not uncommon among NFL teams. Many deals, especially ones involving higher-round picks, typically get done weeks into training camp.

Apparently at issue is whether the Saints will offer Bush, who many rated as the top player in the draft, a better deal than what Houston gave Mario Williams when the Texans surprisingly chose the former North Carolina State defensive end first overall.

Williams has reportedly agreed to a six-year deal worth $54 million, with $26.5 million in guaranteed pay.

Ornstein is one of at least two lead members of a team that handles Bush's professional matters. Ornstein said he primarily negotiates the player's endorsement deals. Joel Segal, who will negotiate Bush's contract with the Saints, declined to comment when reached on his cell phone this afternoon.

Ornstein's comments come a day after the agent for former Texas quarterback Vince Young, the No. 3 overall pick, said he was heading to Nashville to get a deal done in time for Young to open camp with the Tennessee Titans late next week.

Ornstein said Bush is in Los Angeles, where he shot a commercial for Pepsi on Tuesday and has been working out on the USC campus.

"He's been training and getting himself ready," Ornstein said. "Reggie's going to be fine."
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Just makes us taking Mario that much sweeter. Cannot believe the guy wants more money than Williams.

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As much as a hate reggie....and believe me i do...THIS irks me to no end

New Orleans Saints top draft pick Reggie Bush will likely be a holdout when the team opens training camp in Jackson next week, a representative of the star running back told the Clarion-Ledger today.

Reggie IS NOT a holdout. By the very nature of the term, he CANT be a holdout. He has NEVER had a contract. He is unsigned, but not a holdout. Holdouts are people who have contracts and refuse to show up
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As much as a hate reggie....and believe me i do...THIS irks me to no end

New Orleans Saints top draft pick Reggie Bush will likely be a holdout when the team opens training camp in Jackson next week, a representative of the star running back told the Clarion-Ledger today.

Reggie IS NOT a holdout. By the very nature of the term, he CANT be a holdout. He has NEVER had a contract. He is unsigned, but not a holdout. Holdouts are people who have contracts and refuse to show up
Anyone who is in any kind of negotiation can be considered a hold out, you don't have to have any kind of contract signed to be considered a hold out.

Hold Out - To refuse to reach or satisfy an agreement. LINK
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What makes me mad is that it seems like he can't accept the fact he wasn't taken #1 overall, so he wants to be paid like he was.

I say that is lame if he gets the money he wants, he deserves #2 $$$$$$
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Personally I think Bush should get as much as he can for the shortest amount of years he can spend in NO. No reason to want to stay in NO and hell I would need a huge bonus if I ever had to work there.
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Tell me what IS 2nd pick money??????



LESS than 1st overall pick money.
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But more than 3rd pick money
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Anyone who is in any kind of negotiation can be considered a hold out, you don't have to have any kind of contract signed to be considered a hold out.

Hold Out - To refuse to reach or satisfy an agreement. LINK
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Exactly.......It's time to stop splitting hairs........when DRAFTED, his RIGHTS are held by the Saints in EXPECTATION of a NEGOTIATED consumating PLAYING CONTRACT. While the Saints hold his rights, he cannot negotiate with any other club and is EXPECTED to COMPLETE his contract........., but he is HOLDING OUT completing this process.
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Anyone who is in any kind of negotiation can be considered a hold out, you don't have to have any kind of contract signed to be considered a hold out.

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Exactly.......It's time to stop splitting hairs........when DRAFTED, his RIGHTS are held by the Saints in EXPECTATION of a NEGOTIATED consumating PLAYING CONTRACT. While the Saints hold his rights, he cannot negotiate with any other club and is EXPECTED to COMPLETE his contract........., but he is HOLDING OUT completing this process.
So if the Saints organization is also refusing to reach or satisfy an agreement (give Bush what he's asking for), aren't they every bit as guilty of being a "hold-out"?

It's a two-way street.
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So if the Saints organization is also refusing to reach or satisfy an agreement (give Bush what he's asking for), aren't they every bit as guilty of being a "hold-out"?

It's a two-way street.
Sure--then the question is if either side is being unreasonable in holding out.
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This could almost as stupid as Rivers holdout of 04. Makes no sense at all. Reggie is not the only guy that feels he should have gone higher but didn't. You are not #1, so how can you get piad more? Oh wait, I bet he'll say "But I have a family to feed". More like ego to feed.
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So far he i a hold out along with about 30 other 1st round draft picks.. second of all training camp hasn't even started. and to all that says he should get 2nd pick money.. Tell me what IS 2nd pick money??????

Unlike most of those first round picks, he already has money coming out of his behind for all the endorsement contracts he has signed. He can monetarily afford to hold out, but in the big scheme of things, it would work out better for him not to try to take every nickle so that he doesn't miss camp reps, and because of image issues involved with not being satisfied with being a multi, multi-millionaire in a disaster zone.

If he wants to play well enough to be deserving of the hype, the best way of that happening is to get into camp pronto.

They are doing the negotiation dance. It will be interesting to see how serious it gets.

And as an aside, the Texans would have been poorly situated for doing that dance this year. There is enough change and learning going on without worrying if you can get your picks in camp.
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Unlike most of those first round picks, he already has money coming out of his behind for all the endorsement contracts he has signed. He can monetarily afford to hold out, but in the big scheme of things, it would work out better for him not to try to take every nickle so that he doesn't miss camp reps, and because of image issues involved with not being satisfied with being a multi, multi-millionaire in a disaster zone.

If he wants to play well enough to be deserving of the hype, the best way of that happening is to get into camp pronto.

They are doing the negotiation dance. It will be interesting to see how serious it gets.

And as an aside, the Texans would have been poorly situated for doing that dance this year. There is enough change and learning going on without worrying if you can get your picks in camp.
Good points all (as usual). This whole thread is a bit premature. Most of the first round picks aren't signed until a few days before camps begin. Does that mean they are ALL (almost) currently holding out? NO...

RB is doing what any other pick would/should do at this point. Give the impression that they want/deserve a bigger contract than they should. It will help at the bargaining table when they get to it.
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It seems like he's probably too image-conscious to say anything that might make him seem selfish. I remember pre-draft interviews in which he talked only about being the #1 pick as opposed to being a Texan.

While he may have said things to make him not seem selfish, he hasn't done much to make him not seem selfish.

Having said that, I think that he could give one hell of a lift to NO and I hope that I'm wrong for the sake of NO fans.
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Hey Saint why are you curious why we think Reggie is selfish or not. Here's my opinion " I don't care about Reggie Bust one bit." Just see how he puts N.O. on the map, Like he said. Man, I'm glad we have Mario rahter than this character. Saying he wants to be on the field in TC and showing actions that he wants to be there are 2 different situations.
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Man are you serious?? So he's saying things that might not make him seem so selfish? He talked about being #1 pick instead of the Texans?????????? (maybe because he wasn't sure if he'd be a Texan) And have you seen or heard what he has done for New Orleans as for as contributions???
He has to do the charity circuit because he doesn't want Saints fans pissed at him when he holds out. Pre-emptive damage control.

You asked for opinions and I gave mine. We'll know just how selfish he is when he has to share a backfield with a proven veteran.
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Who knows until Bush does or doesn't sign. Another problem is that Benson apparently wants out of town. What better way to help ensure poor attendance (and an excuse to leave) than not signing Bush? Something to think about.

IMO, the #1 picks will start to sign after Young does. My gut feeling is Bush will hold out. Whether it's him, Benson, or both I don't know.
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I go to this site cause i'm also a Texan fan. and seeing all the negative post about Reggie and other players... And then going to the saints site and NOT seeing them talking Neg. about other players makes me wonder why there's so much jeajoulsly about Reggie because you're front office didn,t pick him.
No. Im not jealous of Reggie Bush, and if you want to research, was ANTI-Bush for a longgggg time before the rose bowl, before the Bush Bowl, before any of that. I think he is the most overhyped, overrated, useless player to come out of the draft in quite some time. If I was a franchise I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. He is a glorified scatback, and thats all he will ever be. He's Brian Westbrook with a lower ceiling. Its not jealousy, its pointing out idiocy. He wants to be paid like a #1 overall pick. He WASNT. Not because they couldn't sign him, but because we didn't WANT him. I wouldnt trade mario williams straight up for reggie bush, not in a million years. I wouldn't even give you David Carr for Reggie Bush, and i cant STAND him.
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