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Old 07-11-2006   #1
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Wondering what it might take to get quarterback Vince Young into the fold with the Tennessee Titans?

The structuring of the deal and the amount of the signing bonus are yet to be determined, but a package somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 million, with approximately 40 to 50 percent of that amount guaranteed, is probably what it will take to bring the No. 3 overall pick under contract.

When NFL rookies are signed, several factors are weighed. The league has generally used a slotting system for contracts, meaning the higher a player was selected, the more money he can generally expect to receive at contract time.

Also, contracts from the previous season are looked at as well, with a slight increase usually in the amount of the rookie pool increase factored in.

As well, in Young’s case, as a quarterback, he can also generally expect a little bigger payday than players at other positions.

When the Houston Texans pulled a draft day surprise by agreeing to terms with defensive end Mario Williams over running back Reggie Bush, that deal helped set the bar for this year’s draft.

Williams agreed to a six-year, $54 million deal. The contract did not include a signing bonus for Williams, but according to reports, contains $26.5 million in guaranteed money over the first two years of the deal.

What happens in regards to Bush and his demands from the New Orleans Saints could also play a factor as well, as could the deal with D’Brickashaw Ferguson at No. 4 with the New York Jets.

But as a quarterback, Young’s agent, Major Adams, says the $49.5 million contract Alex Smith landed as the No. 1 overall pick in San Francisco in 2005 will be part of the equation as well.

“I’m sure all those are the parameters we’ll be looking at,” Adams said. “We’ll take into consideration what the first quarterback got last year, and what the first two picks get this year. It’ll be a little bit different since they’re not quarterbacks.”

Young has said he wants to be in training camp by the time it opens July 28, and his Adams echoed that sentiment Monday.

“I don’t anticipate any problems in getting a deal done. They’ve treated us great the whole time, because Vince was the guy they wanted all along,” Adams said.
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Thus begins the downward spiral of top five draft picks.

Wah wah, i want more money than last year's pick. wah wah, look at my skillz. wah wah.

what happened to just wanting to play football on the world's largest stage.
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For a lot of players, this is their best and/or only shot at a payday. I don't blame them for wanting to make the most of it.
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But if you're in the top ten, you're already guaranteed millions.
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Thus begins the downward spiral of top five draft picks.

Wah wah, i want more money than last year's pick. wah wah, look at my skillz. wah wah.

what happened to just wanting to play football on the world's largest stage.

This isnt only about playing football , this is their JOB , this is how they support themselves and their families ...... When you interview for a job dont you want to get the best possible pay and benifits ? .... Or will you work for minimum wage and no benifits ?

Yes the dollar amounts are outrageous but the average players career in the NFL lasts just 4 years , after that many of these players arent suited to flipping burgers at Mc'D's or bagging groceries at the Quickie-Mart .... sure they went to college but they majored in ...... "the art of getting out of class" .... Or didnt bother to get their degree's ..... You do have the rare case that does but thats the exception not the rule .... Some are physicaly damaged .... Fact is after football many of them arent capable of a REAL JOB..... For many this is their only pay-day.
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Thus begins the downward spiral of top five draft picks.

Wah wah, i want more money than last year's pick. wah wah, look at my skillz. wah wah.

what happened to just wanting to play football on the world's largest stage.
Yeah it would make sense to just take whatever they offer you. I wouldn't want to negotiate my contract either. If I think my employer might pay me 10,000 more a year, im not going to try.
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i'm just saying that it's going to get out of hand unless the nfl does somethign about it.
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Makes me wonder if money was the reason he was lobbying so hard about Houston picking him. If he is wanting Mario Williams money at the #3 pick, I wonder how much he would have wanted if we had drafted him.
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Makes me wonder if money was the reason he was lobbying so hard about Houston picking him. If he is wanting Mario Williams money at the #3 pick, I wonder how much he would have wanted if we had drafted him.
I don't care how much he wants. He's the future of our organization. And if he turns out to be a bust, we trade him. That simple.
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i'm just saying that it's going to get out of hand unless the nfl does somethign about it.

They have .... Its called the salary cap and the rookie pool
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I don't care how much he wants. He's the future of our organization. And if he turns out to be a bust, we trade him. That simple.
Yeah, sign him to a 50 million dollar contract then turn around and trade him, haven't you guys been through enough of cap hell?
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Yeah, sign him to a 50 million dollar contract then turn around and trade him, haven't you guys been through enough of cap hell?
Well this would be like 5 years down the road. You gotta give a guy alteast 5 years to blossom (e.g. Carr)
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This isnt only about playing football , this is their JOB , this is how they support themselves and their families ...... When you interview for a job dont you want to get the best possible pay and benifits ? .... Or will you work for minimum wage and no benifits ?

Yes the dollar amounts are outrageous but the average players career in the NFL lasts just 4 years , after that many of these players arent suited to flipping burgers at Mc'D's or bagging groceries at the Quickie-Mart .... sure they went to college but they majored in ...... "the art of getting out of class" .... Or didnt bother to get their degree's ..... You do have the rare case that does but thats the exception not the rule .... Some are physicaly damaged .... Fact is after football many of them arent capable of a REAL JOB..... For many this is their only pay-day.

Fact of the matter is...even a "lowball" signing bonus for a #3 pick is enough to support a few generations of the Young family.
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Well this would be like 5 years down the road. You gotta give a guy alteast 5 years to blossom (e.g. Carr)
More than likely the contract wouldn't be for more than 5 years anyway.
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Fact of the matter is...even a "lowball" signing bonus for a #3 pick is enough to support a few generations of the Young family.
Soooo.......if you had the chance to negotiate your salary at your job....you wouldn't get all you could get ? you would just take what they give you since there are so many people who are less fortunate than you ....riiiiiight.....
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I don't care how much he wants. He's the future of our organization. And if he turns out to be a bust, we trade him. That simple.
That was the point...he turns out he can't make the transition, Titans becomes the new Cincinatti of the NFL . I'm sure San Deigo got great offers for Ryan Leaf after his four years. Have no doubt about Ledale "Pass the Bisciuts" White. He has bust written all over him. You are what you do. There is a reason he slid into the second.
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Soooo.......if you had the chance to negotiate your salary at your job....you wouldn't get all you could get ? you would just take what they give you since there are so many people who are less fortunate than you ....riiiiiight.....
No. I wouldn't.

ESPECIALLY if I were a professional athlete in a TEAM sport.

There are two types of players (or people)...

1. Those who are satisfied with what comes to them and try their best to be successful(IE: Win the Super Bowl), perhaps making a sacrifice or two.

2. Those who always want more, want people to know what they are worth, not caring about success(Greedy Dirtbags).
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No. I wouldn't.

ESPECIALLY if I were a professional athlete in a TEAM sport.

There are two types of players (or people)...

1. Those who are satisfied with what comes to them and try their best to be successful(IE: Win the Super Bowl), perhaps making a sacrifice or two.

2. Those who always want more, want people to know what they are worth, not caring about success(Greedy Dirtbags).


I think you fail to see the point . And if you can honestly say you wouldnt haggle over your salary for a job .... come work for me , Ill pay ya minimum wage with no benifits from here to retirement .
Just because the dollar figures are more than most fans can fathom doesnt change the fact that this is their job and they should negotiate their contracts to best suit them ...
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No. I wouldn't.
ESPECIALLY if I were a professional athlete in a TEAM sport.
There are two types of players (or people)...
1. Those who are satisfied with what comes to them and try their best to be successful(IE: Win the Super Bowl), perhaps making a sacrifice or two.
2. Those who always want more, want people to know what they are worth, not caring about success(Greedy Dirtbags).
Sir...I call your bluff......But if thats really how you feel I don't know whether its admirable or just plain wacky...
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Just because the dollar figures are more than most fans can fathom doesnt change the fact that this is their job and they should negotiate their contracts to best suit them ...
And in professional sports, that's a loser's mentality. I really wish you were a GM of an NFL team if you were willing to throw the farm at a single player, it'd mean free Ws for my team.
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