When the going gets tough: Put in Sage, Pull Carr - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

TwinSisters · 07-06-2006

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...analysis/3978/

Nothing really all that telling here, but an interesting article nonetheless.

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162 quarterbacks have had at least one fourth-quarter comeback opportunity since 1996. There are 24 instances in which two quarterbacks saw action in a failed comeback game, usually due to injury or ineffectiveness of the primary quarterback.

Based on t-tests, 21 quarterbacks have been significantly “good” at fourth-quarter comebacks since 1996 and 18 quarterbacks have been significantly “not good” by the same test (all at the .95 level). The top 10 and bottom 10 are listed above in Table 1 and Table 2. Here are the others:

Significantly good: Aaron Brooks, Tim Couch, Trent Green, Kent Graham, Steve Young, Ben Roethlisberger, John Elway, Kordell Stewart, Daunte Culpepper, Elvis Grbac, Rich Gannon.

Significantly bad: Neil O’Donnell, Doug Flutie, Frank Reich (yes, the same Frank Reich who led the greatest postseason comeback in NFL history in 1992, prior to this study), Gus Frerotte, David Carr, Jim Harbaugh, Matt Hasselbeck, Billy Joe Tolliver.

Billy Joe Tolliver is ranked with Carr... I think I am going to start the Lord's Prayer right now.

Wolf · 07-06-2006

I guess I can play spin doctor.. I have also seen our defense NOT step up and make the key stop in the forth quarter to give us a chance

we have seen where we need a key 3rd down pickup in the 4th to keep the clock running and sadly we didn't

aj. · 07-06-2006

...and Kent Graham is ranked with John Elway. Like this is something to take seriously? Good gawd.

**infantrycak** · 07-06-2006

This is one of those times when you have a theory, apply it, look at the results and say bad Mr. Theory and smack it on the head. Useless results both ends.

**Kaiser Toro** · 07-06-2006

It is to bad that Palmer's magic did not rub off on Carr like it did on Couch.

**Lucky** · 07-06-2006

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Significantly bad: Neil O’Donnell, Doug Flutie, Frank Reich (yes, the same Frank Reich who led the greatest postseason comeback in NFL history in 1992, prior to this study), Gus Frerotte, David Carr, Jim Harbaugh, Matt Hasselbeck, Billy Joe Tolliver.

Jim "Captain Comeback" Harbaugh made this list?

**Kaiser Toro** · 07-06-2006

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Originally Posted by Lucky

Jim "Captain Comeback" Harbaugh made this list?

Man did he have a great year with the Colts in 1995.

thunderkyss · 07-06-2006

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Originally Posted by TwinSisters

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...analysis/3978/

Nothing really all that telling here, but an interesting article nonetheless.

Billy Joe Tolliver is ranked with Carr... I think I am going to start the Lord's Prayer right now.

Wow....... Aaron Brooks, Tim Couch, and Kordell Stewart rated in the top ten....

yet none of them are gauranteed starters..... heck, two of the three will definitely not start.

In all fairness to Carr...... as many comeback situations he's been in is probalby diluting his stats.

**edo783** · 07-06-2006

Soooo, I guess this is another of those Carr threads that are constantly started by all the Carr lovers as KT keeps saying is what happens all the time. Couldn't POSSIBLY be a "Let's start one to be able to take a shot at Carr thread". Nah, no one starts those, just always those pesky Carr lovers gushing about that piece of road apples QB, and a certain band of folks has to maintain world balance by responding. Yup, guess that's what is happening.

AFD1717 · 07-06-2006

This guy should run for office.

**infantrycak** · 07-06-2006

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Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Wow....... Aaron Brooks, Tim Couch, and Kordell Stewart rated in the top ten....

yet none of them are gauranteed starters..... heck, two of the three will definitely not start.

In all fairness to Carr...... as many comeback situations he's been in is probalby diluting his stats.

Folks who rely on Brooks, Couch and Stewart as examples should "probalby" not throw stones or the only "gauranteed" result will be their glass house falling.

hollywood_texan · 07-07-2006

There is no way Sage will replace Carr except for injury.

I have looked through this guy's career, and Carr is a better QB.

TK_Gamer · 07-07-2006

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Originally Posted by TwinSisters

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...analysis/3978/

Nothing really all that telling here, but an interesting article nonetheless.

Billy Joe Tolliver is ranked with Carr... I think I am going to start the Lord's Prayer right now.

You must have taken carr in fantasy football and lost a bet , is that it?, or you just have nothing better to do? just curious..........

DocBar · 07-07-2006

DANG!!! That was even more inane than most of my posts. I'm jealous.

thunderkyss · 07-07-2006

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

Folks who rely on Brooks, Couch and Stewart as examples should "probalby" not throw stones or the only "gauranteed" result will be their glass house falling.

The Texans are in the same boat....... except those guys have at least one winning season under their belts...

**Runner** · 07-07-2006

And I didn't think there would be any more new and interesting topics until the depth chart was released prior to camp.

DocBar · 07-07-2006

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Originally Posted by Runner

And I didn't think there would be any more new and interesting topics until the depth chart was released prior to camp.

And you were....ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!! LOL

Texans Horror · 07-07-2006

Are we surprised that Brett Favre is not in the top 10?

the wonger need food · 07-07-2006

Hopefully this coaching staff will have the good sense to pull Carr when he's playing poorly or they are way behind. I never understood why Capers refused to bench the guy.

DocBar · 07-07-2006

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

Hopefully this coaching staff will have the good sense to pull Carr when he's playing poorly or they are way behind. I never understood why Capers refused to bench the guy.

I agree. A benching couldn't have been worse than all the pounding he was taking.

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Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,888 Rep Power: 19756	It is to bad that Palmer's magic did not rub off on Carr like it did on Couch. __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

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edo783 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, again. Posts: 7,700 Rep Power: 4640	Soooo, I guess this is another of those Carr threads that are constantly started by all the Carr lovers as KT keeps saying is what happens all the time. Couldn't POSSIBLY be a "Let's start one to be able to take a shot at Carr thread". Nah, no one starts those, just always those pesky Carr lovers gushing about that piece of road apples QB, and a certain band of folks has to maintain world balance by responding. Yup, guess that's what is happening. __________________ De Oppresso Liber

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AFD1717 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Austin, TX Age: 34 Posts: 326 Rep Power: 8	This guy should run for office. __________________ "We ain't here for a long time, so we're here for a good time."

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aj. Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,769 Rep Power: 657	...and Kent Graham is ranked with John Elway. Like this is something to take seriously? Good gawd.

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hollywood_texan Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 3,010 Rep Power: 1079	There is no way Sage will replace Carr except for injury. I have looked through this guy's career, and Carr is a better QB.

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DocBar Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm international Section: Channel 700-ish on NFL Sunday Ticket Age: 43 Posts: 7,224 Rep Power: 17539	DANG!!! That was even more inane than most of my posts. I'm jealous. __________________ “If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” Halton Arp

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Texans Horror Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 2,303 Rep Power: 24	Are we surprised that Brett Favre is not in the top 10?

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the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	Hopefully this coaching staff will have the good sense to pull Carr when he's playing poorly or they are way behind. I never understood why Capers refused to bench the guy.

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