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Old 05-30-2006   #1
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Default No Domanick Davis - Problem?? Or No Problem??

we all know about Kube's history of making RBs look like all-stars with his zone blocking system and his eye for the proper running back..

So if Domanick Davis is unable to recover from his injury and doesnt start Game 1, who do you think will/should take his place as #1 running back on the depth chart?
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Wali Lundy (College)
Att Yrds YPC Long TDS
144 574 4.0 28 10

Damien Rhodes (College)
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219 900 4.1 54 7

Vernand Morency (College)
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258 1474 5.7 ??? 12

Antowain Smith (Most Productive NFL Season)
Att Yrds YPC Long TDS
287 1157 4.0 44 12

Chris Taylor (College)
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156 740 4.7 38 4

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I know that stats can never gauge how a player will preform in the pros or even the next year of your pro career I just wanted to post those up for those who just felt like reading it..

But personally I would love to see Morency get a shot at the starting position.. Why?? Tatum Bell (who ran for Kube in Denver and played for OK St.) played extremely well for Kube and made a name for himself. Morency (who NOW runs for Kube and played for Ok St.) has the potential to be as good.. while he is not as fast as Bell he is a stronger runner.

But for some reason I keep thinking that Morency is not gonna get his shot and I dont remember if I read it from somewhere or what but that keeps running thru my head for some reason but i would love to see him get a shot.

Also Chris Taylor HB from indiana. 6'1 214 and runs a 4.4 I would love to see him get a look at. With his size and speed he has the "tools" to be one of the elites..
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I don't know a lot about the other backs, but I think Morency will end up proving himself. If not the starter, then a solid no. 2. He had some nice potential last season, and I look forward to seeing if he can capitalize on it.
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[quote=HeartofHouston]we all know about Kube's history of making RBs look like all-stars with his zone blocking system and his eye for the proper running back..

So if Domanick Davis is unable to recover from his injury and doesnt start Game 1, who do you think will/should take his place as #1 running back on the depth chart?
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I believe that if Domanick is not healthy, the starter will not be someone on this list. Michael Bennett is still a possibility. They expressed interest in Marcel Shipp from the Cardinals. Another guy that I feel they may go after is Thomas Jones from Chicago.
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I seem to recall Kubiak being quoted as saying that VM needs to get with the "one cut and go up the field" philosophy of running if he is to be successful in this system. One would hope that this message will register with him earlier in camp than later if he wants to see the field on a consistent basis...
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Based on the four you mentioned I would say Antwain Smith because he is the veteran of the group. We need to start off right this year and Antwain Smith provides protection in the backfield.
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Morency reminds me of Davis in so many ways. So far in camp, he's had to take most of the reps and I heard he's done well. I trust him as a starter when DD is hurt. After that, I would go with Lundy and then Rhodes.
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I believe that if Domanick is not healthy, the starter will not be someone on this list. Michael Bennett is still a possibility. They expressed interest in Marcel Shipp from the Cardinals. Another guy that I feel they may go after is Thomas Jones from Chicago.
Oh man i would love to see Thomas Jones in our backfield..

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314 1335 4.3 42 9

He's got good speed and he's a real strong runner.. If we could get him our running game could be hard to top.. I was watching that guy even when he was at Virgina..
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The Texans are playing the Eagles week 1. The Texans are going down whether he plays or not
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If we sign Michael Bennett, they I figure he'll be the starter.
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The Texans are playing the Eagles week 1. The Texans are going down whether he plays or not

Not this year we are going to be eating bird for dinner.


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There are sooo many reasons, why big time college backs don't make it...... not hitting the whole with enough speed......... dancing in the backfield... not following the blockers....... not hitting the right gap......

Or..... sometimes that college teams OL was a bigger part of that RBs success. Texas is a good example. Priest Holmes..... Ricky Williams.... Cedric Benson....... all very successfull at UT........ but in the Pros??

Cedric just wasn't ready to play..... but Rikky & Priest..... damn near flops...... They were both drafted by bad teams..... New Orleans & Baltimore.... those teams weren't as good as UT on the offensive line. Ricky & Priest both got hurt.... & couldn't produce when they were healthy.

They go to good teams........ and they're kicking butt....... well Ricky should be, but you know......

I know this is only what ifs...... but I'd like to see Morency get the start..... & I'd like to see Rhodes, or Lundy get the garbage time........ when we're leading the Eagles & the Colts by 20 points in the 4th qtr...
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i'd go for vernand morency he got what it takes
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when ricky has run, ricky has run a lot.

his first season with the dolphins especially.

and if im not mistaken, priest holmes wasnt even drafted, but still ran for 1000 yards his rookie year. damn near flop, right?
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when ricky has run, ricky has run a lot.

his first season with the dolphins especially.

and if im not mistaken, priest holmes wasnt even drafted, but still ran for 1000 yards his rookie year. damn near flop, right?
yeah i totally agree no way can ricky and priest is a flop. thats crazy talk thats like saying DD is a flop. i wouldn't say the ravens are a bad team look at the year where jamal got 2000 yards.

and as for cedric he didn't have much of a chance as thomas was carrying all the load, so watch out for him this year cause im sure he'll get most of the carries and show his true skills
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...............good call thunderkyss.
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yeah i totally agree no way can ricky and priest is a flop. thats crazy talk thats like saying DD is a flop. i wouldn't say the ravens are a bad team look at the year where jamal got 2000 yards.

and as for cedric he didn't have much of a chance as thomas was carrying all the load, so watch out for him this year cause im sure he'll get most of the carries and show his true skills
Go look at my Favorite Running back thread..... I named Ricky Williams.......

I started watching the Saints because of him. But his first two years......... Looking at the stats, it's not too bad, but watching the games..... I don't see how he avg'd 4.0 ypc........ it didn't look like that much. then though he never got hurt in College, he missed 4 games his rookie season, and 6 games the next.......... Considering what N.O. gave up to get him, they weren't very happy. They drafted duece after Ricky's second year..... got a great third season out of him, then off he went to Miami..... it's been all good then...... people in Nawlins pissed because of that(even though they had Duece........ Ricky got 1800 in Miami).... after the drug stuff, and the taking the year off....... they're all happy again.......

but by definition........ if you ain't playing for the team that drafted you 4 years later, you're a bust.

Priest......... I forgot he wasn't drafted. but he only played 7 games as a rookie..... well he was eligible(healthy and on the Roster) didn't see any playing time. his second year, he went for 1000 while missing 3 games...... then missed 7 games the next year, then played behind Jamal Lewis the next....... gone to KC.It wasn't until his 5th season in the league, till he really produced.......

Don't get me wrong..... I like both guys. But early in their careers......... people felt about them the way many of the Reggie Jock biters feel about DD now.
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Go look at my Favorite Running back thread..... I named Ricky Williams.......

I started watching the Saints because of him. But his first two years......... Looking at the stats, it's not too bad, but watching the games..... I don't see how he avg'd 4.0 ypc........ it didn't look like that much. then though he never got hurt in College, he missed 4 games his rookie season, and 6 games the next.......... Considering what N.O. gave up to get him, they weren't very happy. They drafted duece after Ricky's second year..... got a great third season out of him, then off he went to Miami..... it's been all good then...... people in Nawlins pissed because of that(even though they had Duece........ Ricky got 1800 in Miami).... after the drug stuff, and the taking the year off....... they're all happy again.......

but by definition........ if you ain't playing for the team that drafted you 4 years later, you're a bust.

Priest......... I forgot he wasn't drafted. but he only played 7 games as a rookie..... well he was eligible(healthy and on the Roster) didn't see any playing time. his second year, he went for 1000 while missing 3 games...... then missed 7 games the next year, then played behind Jamal Lewis the next....... gone to KC.It wasn't until his 5th season in the league, till he really produced.......

Don't get me wrong..... I like both guys. But early in their careers......... people felt about them the way many of the Reggie Jock biters feel about DD now.
I really need to find this book of definitions because I'd like some clarification on this bust rule. I thought bust meant not living up to reasonable expectations. By trading away an entire draft, Williams was set up for unreasonable expectations. Priest was undrafted, so anything he gets is gravy. And your four year rule. How does it work with Clinton Portis. He was drafted and traded after 2 years. Does that mean he's a bust as well? Some things aren't as black and white as you may think, there's a lot more gray area.
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If another back takes DD's spot, early in the season because DD might still be easing back into playing form, then there is a potential controversy that will brew if the "other back" (Morency, or whomever) does very well.

And there's a very real chance of this happening because of how the zone blocking scheme has created superstar RBs out of RBs who would be average (at best) in other teams' offenses.

That's the big thing to watch. When you run a zone blocking scheme and your main guy goes down, and the backup comes in and does a great job (Larry Johnson in K.C., for example) it can pose a problem for a guy like DD.

At the very least, I think DD would have to relegate himself to second-string status behind Morency or whomever (assuming Morency does very well in DD's absence). At the very worst, he spends most of the time on the bench and then he becomes trade fodder. With the production of other RBs in Kubiak's scheme, a guy like DD is still needed...but he becomes even more valuable as trade bait to help us upgrade a spot, such as CB or S.

I've always been a "go with the guy who has the hot streak." I don't buy into the idea that a starter gets his spot back after coming back from major injury. If we waited so long for an injured guy to recover, then we can wait a little bit longer if a replacement is getting the job done. Store DD away for a rainy day, if you ask me. Knees are easily re-injured. I'd hate to see the Texans staff rush DD back into playing for whatever reason.

Don't get me wrong (because I KNOW someof you will)...I am a h-u-g-e DD fan. He's actually my favorite player on our team. But I think it's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out for him. I just think our emphasis on the zone blocking scheme creates a sort of "equal oportunity employer" situation where the gap closes between all the RBs on our roster.
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While he is recovering, I hope someone is working with him on how to pick up a blitz and how to block.
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Cedric just wasn't ready to play..... but Rikky & Priest..... damn near flops...... They were both drafted by bad teams..... New Orleans & Baltimore.... those teams weren't as good as UT on the offensive line. Ricky & Priest both got hurt.... & couldn't produce when they were healthy.
Priest was an undrafted FA.
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