Judging Carr - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

fastpitchwoof · 05-26-2006

I believe that Carr is capable of being a top 10 QB in this league. A couple of years ago he did very well. Sure his interception total was a little high but most young QBs go through that. He did show the ability to lead this team when he was allowed to attack. The previous coaching staff all too often shut the offense down and played conservative making Shaun Hannity look like a leftist communist. When the offense was allowed to attack they moved the ball effectively. They did struggle in the red zone but I think that was due mainly to having young players.

I believe that if the previous staff has not ruined Carr then Kubiak will pull the best out of him. Carr doesn't have to be the best of all time. He needs to do things that he can do and lead this team.

Some have said that he became irritable and barked at his teammates toward the end of last year. Although no QB should embarrass his teammates publically he should push them if they are not performing. Who can blame Carr anyway. You've heard of the West Coast Offense? Well, the Texans offense was called the Duck and Cover! It is amazing that Carr does not walk with a limp or have a constant twitch. Yes, some of it was his fault for not getting rid of the ball. But the O line did not protect the QB either. I do not blame the O line completely for the lack of protection. The defense knew that we were going to run on 1st and 2nd down then pass on 3rd. No imagination in the offense. Did anyone else notice that the offense moved the ball quite well when the Texans spread it out from time to time?

Sorry if this post is rambling (I'm pretty new to this board), but I just feel that we need to give Carr a chance to really show what he can do with an offense that allows players to be aggressive and use their talents.

05-26-2006

Carr will get his shot...what he will do with it remains to be seen...I hope he does well...but if he doesn't......

the wonger need food · 05-26-2006

Do we really need another Carr sympathy thread???

Can this be merged with one of the other hundreds?

**Kaiser Toro** · 05-26-2006

2, 4, 6, 8 who do we appreciate......

**Lucky** · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by fastpitchwoof

Sorry if this post is rambling (I'm pretty new to this board), but I just feel that we need to give Carr a chance to really show what he can do with an offense that allows players to be aggressive and use their talents.

Well, the Texans brought in a new head coach who has run an effective offense the past 11 seasons. Several new offensive linemen. A veteran wide receiver and tight end. A pass receiving fullback. And Carr got a three year extension. Even if some fans won't give the guy a chance, the Texans will. The best he's ever had.

**Double Barrel** · 05-26-2006

This year should give every opportunity for Carr to prove himself once and for all. Either he'll step up under the new regime and show that he's worthy to be our franchise QB of the next many years, or he'll be considered a bust.

I just can't see any more reasons/excuses being made after next season. It's put up or shut up time, as far as most fans are concerned.

(Disclaimer: of course I sincerely hope he succeeds and leads us to the promise land!)

Hulk75 · 05-26-2006

What really got me these last couple years, is that everyone wanted the Offense/ Carr even more, to be more consistant in an Offense that was very predictable.
I just never understood it, if we think it was predictable, what did the Defensive Coordinators in the NFL think it was.

This NEW Offense is not going to do anything but make guys better, Eric Moulds by the time he is done here could leave as a Hall of Famer.

Brandon420tx · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Hulk75

What really got me these last couple years, is that everyone wanted the Offense/ Carr even more, to be more consistant in an Offense that was very predictable.
I just never understood it, if we think it was predictable, what did the Defensive Coordinators in the NFL think it was.

This NEW Offense is not going to do anything but make guys better, Eric Moulds by the time he is done here could leave as a Hall of Famer.

If the team does make a huge turn around this year, Kubiak and (Possibly) Moulds and Williams will be credited with saving the team.

**Double Barrel** · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Hulk75

What really got me these last couple years, is that everyone wanted the Offense/ Carr even more, to be more consistant in an Offense that was very predictable.
I just never understood it, if we think it was predictable, what did the Defensive Coordinators in the NFL think it was.

No doubt about it, Hulk. Poor DC had two audibles: run left & run right. We'd see him audible at the line, call it from the stands, and we'd get it right 90% of the time. I've always felt sorry for him because of the vanilla...(hate to even use the term "vanilla" because it's not a bad flavor)...so, "simple" offense that we've ran for four seasons.

It was painful to watch, and I think a lot of Carr's evident frustration was more about the dumb schemes he was forced to run than at his teammates. I still feel this way, especially in light of the fact that Palmer was fired only two games into a new season.

Two big factors that I think will really help him develop as a QB: Kubiak is a QB minded coach, since he has played the position and coached with one of the HoF greats, and Carr now has a dedicated QB coach (it only took five years to get one!).

It's not just put up or shut up time for Carr, either. I think our o-line, since most of them were here last year, will be on the same short leash. Produce or be gone, IMO.

**Vinny** · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by fastpitchwoof

I believe that Carr is capable of being a top 10 QB in this league.

I agree with this...but I've never disagreed with this. Carr has more physical ability than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Carr can move better, has a better arm, and is a better athlete than both of these guys....but that is not what makes a QB great.

Carr gets a shot to show that he has learned the league after 4 years and will take his experience into a new offense. If he struggles here and now, we have a problem. Until then, I have a good vibe from Kubiak and his ability to get the most out of Carr. What will that be? Buy a ticket and enjoy. It will unfold shortly. :bananasplit:

santo · 05-26-2006

It should be a different story this year, due to the fact that there is better talent on offensive side now. With the addition of Moulds and good TE's and running backs, it should give Carr more better targets. The only thing that can stop Carr is dropped passes and bad coaching, which seem unlikely to happen this season.

TheOgre · 05-26-2006

Regardless of how we do record-wise, I like the direction this team is going. I hope Kubiak turns out to be the coach I thought he could as far back as 6 years ago (whenever they announced Houston beat out LA for the expansion team).

**Kaiser Toro** · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by TheOgre

Regardless of how we do record-wise, I like the direction this team is going. I hope Kubiak turns out to be the coach I thought he could as far back as 6 years ago (whenever they announced Houston beat out LA for the expansion team).

Amen, something we all should be able to agree on.

Meloy · 05-26-2006

I know all of us want the Texans to do well. I do not wish any player to do poorly even if I think he isn't what I expect him to be or whom I would have signed, drafted or traded for. That said, I think it is fair to say the Texans have improved those around David. He should have the opportunity to show his capabilities. The O LINE still concerns me, but that's another thread. The new coaches IMO can be the best addition to the team as they should make the players even better. If the rest of the offense performs as they should, then this is Carr's make it or break it year. I think that is what Kubes has been saying. Carr even seems to agree. I'll leave it to them.

aj. · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Meloy

If the rest of the offense performs as they should, then this is Carr's make it or break it year. I think that is what Kubes has been saying. .

Here's something Kubiak said very recently: "How David Carr goes, this team is probably going to go. We've got to get him going right."

He's kinda putting it in the perspective of team = f(Carr) instead of Carr = f(team).

Ibar_Harry · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Vinny

I agree with this...but I've never disagreed with this. Carr has more physical ability than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Carr can move better, has a better arm, and is a better athlete than both of these guys....but that is not what makes a QB great.

Carr gets a shot to show that he has learned the league after 4 years and will take his experience into a new offense. If he struggles here and now, we have a problem. Until then, I have a good vibe from Kubiak and his ability to get the most out of Carr. What will that be? Buy a ticket and enjoy. It will unfold shortly. :bananasplit:

Vinny, I'm having a big one.

Ibar_Harry · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Vinny

I agree with this...but I've never disagreed with this. Carr has more physical ability than Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Carr can move better, has a better arm, and is a better athlete than both of these guys....but that is not what makes a QB great.

Carr gets a shot to show that he has learned the league after 4 years and will take his experience into a new offense. If he struggles here and now, we have a problem. Until then, I have a good vibe from Kubiak and his ability to get the most out of Carr. What will that be? Buy a ticket and enjoy. It will unfold shortly. :bananasplit:

Thanks, Vinny, I appreciate you being more upbeat, because you have an eye for certain things and so do I. I guess we could say our eyes don't cross very often, but may be in this case we are seeing some similar things for different reasons. I would agree the biggest factor could be Kubiak and his understanding of the game. None of which was transferred to Carr by the previous set of coaches.

Basically we had no offense, no receivers and no defense. Its pretty hard to win in the NFL with that combination. The 1st preseason game I believe is going to be a watershed for this team. We are going to get glimmers one way or another as to just what we have. I certainly hope they are what I think they are.

NFLforher · 05-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

2, 4, 6, 8 who do we appreciate......

Is that all you have to contribute?

**Wharton** · 05-26-2006

Its obvious the Texans organization thinks alot of David and that David will gets at least one more shot at being NFL quarterback. Its the reason the Texans paid David the huge contract, passed on Vince and went out and got Kubes. Make no mistake about it though, David is under the gun to produce. One thing Kubes has made abundantly clear this offseason, unlike his predicesor, Kubes is not afraid to make changes.

Napa Auto Parts · 05-26-2006

Its Clear that if David cant get the Job done we are going to have to part ways with Gary Kubiak. becuase its not david its the system

05-26-2006	#1
fastpitchwoof Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Age: 49 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Judging Carr I believe that Carr is capable of being a top 10 QB in this league. A couple of years ago he did very well. Sure his interception total was a little high but most young QBs go through that. He did show the ability to lead this team when he was allowed to attack. The previous coaching staff all too often shut the offense down and played conservative making Shaun Hannity look like a leftist communist. When the offense was allowed to attack they moved the ball effectively. They did struggle in the red zone but I think that was due mainly to having young players. I believe that if the previous staff has not ruined Carr then Kubiak will pull the best out of him. Carr doesn't have to be the best of all time. He needs to do things that he can do and lead this team. Some have said that he became irritable and barked at his teammates toward the end of last year. Although no QB should embarrass his teammates publically he should push them if they are not performing. Who can blame Carr anyway. You've heard of the West Coast Offense? Well, the Texans offense was called the Duck and Cover! It is amazing that Carr does not walk with a limp or have a constant twitch. Yes, some of it was his fault for not getting rid of the ball. But the O line did not protect the QB either. I do not blame the O line completely for the lack of protection. The defense knew that we were going to run on 1st and 2nd down then pass on 3rd. No imagination in the offense. Did anyone else notice that the offense moved the ball quite well when the Texans spread it out from time to time? Sorry if this post is rambling (I'm pretty new to this board), but I just feel that we need to give Carr a chance to really show what he can do with an offense that allows players to be aggressive and use their talents. __________________ Those who think they know it all are annoying those of us who do!!

05-26-2006	#4
Kaiser Toro Native Mod Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Straight Outta Austin Age: 43 Posts: 15,889 Rep Power: 19756	2, 4, 6, 8 who do we appreciate...... __________________ Texans 2012: Kidz II Men

05-26-2006	#6
Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,070 Rep Power: 81571	This year should give every opportunity for Carr to prove himself once and for all. Either he'll step up under the new regime and show that he's worthy to be our franchise QB of the next many years, or he'll be considered a bust. I just can't see any more reasons/excuses being made after next season. It's put up or shut up time, as far as most fans are concerned. (Disclaimer: of course I sincerely hope he succeeds and leads us to the promise land!) __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

05-26-2006	#12
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	Regardless of how we do record-wise, I like the direction this team is going. I hope Kubiak turns out to be the coach I thought he could as far back as 6 years ago (whenever they announced Houston beat out LA for the expansion team). __________________ "...the Texans select...Adrian Peterson, RB, University of Oklahoma."

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05-26-2006	#2
real Guest Posts: n/a	Carr will get his shot...what he will do with it remains to be seen...I hope he does well...but if he doesn't......

05-26-2006	#3
the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,534 Rep Power: 1085	Do we really need another Carr sympathy thread??? Can this be merged with one of the other hundreds?

05-26-2006	#7
Hulk75 Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Santa Cruz,California Age: 32 Posts: 1,380 Rep Power: 410	What really got me these last couple years, is that everyone wanted the Offense/ Carr even more, to be more consistant in an Offense that was very predictable. I just never understood it, if we think it was predictable, what did the Defensive Coordinators in the NFL think it was. This NEW Offense is not going to do anything but make guys better, Eric Moulds by the time he is done here could leave as a Hall of Famer.

05-26-2006	#11
santo All Pro Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pasadena, TX Age: 34 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 817	It should be a different story this year, due to the fact that there is better talent on offensive side now. With the addition of Moulds and good TE's and running backs, it should give Carr more better targets. The only thing that can stop Carr is dropped passes and bad coaching, which seem unlikely to happen this season.

05-26-2006	#14
Meloy Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,834 Rep Power: 12	I know all of us want the Texans to do well. I do not wish any player to do poorly even if I think he isn't what I expect him to be or whom I would have signed, drafted or traded for. That said, I think it is fair to say the Texans have improved those around David. He should have the opportunity to show his capabilities. The O LINE still concerns me, but that's another thread. The new coaches IMO can be the best addition to the team as they should make the players even better. If the rest of the offense performs as they should, then this is Carr's make it or break it year. I think that is what Kubes has been saying. Carr even seems to agree. I'll leave it to them.

05-26-2006	#19
Wharton Site Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 47 Posts: 817 Rep Power: 10	Its obvious the Texans organization thinks alot of David and that David will gets at least one more shot at being NFL quarterback. Its the reason the Texans paid David the huge contract, passed on Vince and went out and got Kubes. Make no mistake about it though, David is under the gun to produce. One thing Kubes has made abundantly clear this offseason, unlike his predicesor, Kubes is not afraid to make changes.

05-26-2006	#20
Napa Auto Parts Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,186 Rep Power: 15	Its Clear that if David cant get the Job done we are going to have to part ways with Gary Kubiak. becuase its not david its the system

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