Stupidity or defending your team mate? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

Meloy · 05-25-2006

Expanding on a thought I picked up on another thread. Situation, somebody really goes across the line and bops our player out of bounds, or fingers through the mask into the eyes, stomps a hand,etc. Should Texans retaliate in defense of their team mate even if the penalty really hurts the Texans? We've seen this recently in other sports too. I am leaning to the defend my guy, but do not want to hurt the chances of a win either. Your opinion?

Brandon420tx · 05-25-2006

I would say, get revenge, when the defense takes the field, maybe a blindside hit to WR who isn't getting the ball, send a message, but then again. I am a jerk.:brickwall

**Vinny** · 05-25-2006

It's almost a street thing...you don't want to let your people get bullied...so you fight back. I know I'd draw some flags, but I'm wired like that.

05-25-2006

a Win will hurt the other team more...and why retaliate at that moment...when you can crush the guy legally during a play...

Bamaborn-Texasbred · 05-25-2006

Yeah, I'm a big fan of waiting until later in the game. Take it out on someone else when the referee is looking the other way.

Meloy · 05-25-2006

In baseball, when a pitcher intentionally hits a player, I want the next guy up to let the bat fly right at the pitcher. Whoops, my hands were a mite slippery. Get the message?

El Tejano · 05-25-2006

You can have the designated "don't get a flag" guy.

You see your teammate get uneccesarry roughed. You then retaliate, but right before you do you get pulled back by another teammate who says "Don't get a flag!!!"

LORK 88 · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by xtruroyaltyx

a Win will hurt the other team more...and why retaliate at that moment...when you can crush the guy legally during a play...

exactly, hit'em where it hurts the most . . . on the scoreboard

Meloy · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

exactly, hit'em where it hurts the most . . . on the scoreboard

Does this change if you are way ahead or way behind in the score?

**Double Barrel** · 05-25-2006

It's a fine line, and depends on the situation.

For instance, in a really close game, I'd say that players need to have self-control in order to avoid any really costly penalties. There will always be another game, and these dudes have long memories.

On the other hand, if the game is a blowout either way, then by all means, jack him up and teach a lesson.

Unless, of course, it's a really flagrant foul. If the refs are blind, then justice should be served accordingly.

05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Meloy

Does this change if you are way ahead or way behind in the score?

I was always taught to take care of it in between the whistles...so.... no

LORK 88 · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Meloy

Does this change if you are way ahead or way behind in the score?

I say no. You know what they did, they do as well, and probably everyone who was watching the game as well. Id rather keep my head held high with respect for myself and my team rather than bring myself down to their level.

trane · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Meloy

Expanding on a thought I picked up on another thread. Situation, somebody really goes across the line and bops our player out of bounds, or fingers through the mask into the eyes, stomps a hand,etc. Should Texans retaliate in defense of their team mate even if the penalty really hurts the Texans? We've seen this recently in other sports too. I am leaning to the defend my guy, but do not want to hurt the chances of a win either. Your opinion?

I thinking defending your teammate is acceptible...penalty or not. So long as it is in the heat of the moment and you don't totally lose your cool like Kyle Turley or Bill Romanowski. Some pushing and shoving is enough to make your point. For example, I love to see an offensive lineman defend his QB. I find that acceptable. However, if you are talking about doing what they do in baseball where you hit each other's players with a pitch. That is unneccessary.

Meloy · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by LORK 88

I say no. You know what they did, they do as well, and probably everyone who was watching the game as well. Id rather keep my head held high with respect for myself and my team rather than bring myself down to their level.

Man, I really want to agree with you, but...I think it is sort of like dealing with a bully...sometimes, you just have to light them up. In the Marines, after pt training, usually 3-4 of us would go to gym for a pick up BB game. Now most of us were not much good but loved to play. One game we're getting slaughtered and this one guy kept elbowing my noggin until I looked like a many horned rhino. He was at least 6 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier than me. I gave my 'mates a heads up & next time down the court, as he went up for a jump shot and the left elbow came down, I remained feet on court and delivered a fist to his ahem..jewels. His team mates snickered and made comments like "that boy got even." I waited for him to get up and kick the dog.. out of me. He grumbled and allowed himself to be lead off court. We left the gym immediately.

bigbrewster2000 · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by trane

I thinking defending your teammate is acceptible...penalty or not. So long as it is in the heat of the moment and you don't totally lose your cool like Kyle Turley or Bill Romanowski. Some pushing and shoving is enough to make your point. For example, I love to see an offensive lineman defend his QB. I find that acceptable. However, if you are talking about doing what they do in baseball where you hit each other's players with a pitch. That is unneccessary.

Wait for a quarter (if you can) rhen let someone have it when it is least expected after all that is kind of how it likely happened to you right?

GP · 05-25-2006

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hollywood_texan · 05-25-2006

I think it depends on if the officials have control of the game.

IMO if the officials can't handle it or call it, you gotta take care of your teammates. They are going to have to pay for it, just give the officials first crack to take care of it, otherwise it is going to keep on occurring.

**mexican_texan** · 05-25-2006

Be the bigger man and turn the other cheek. Get a whole bunch of players to go up to the player and offer a hug. Mind games, eh?

TexanFan881 · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Trade'06pick

Yeah, I'm a big fan of waiting until later in the game. Take it out on someone else when the referee is looking the other way.

That's the way you do it. That way nobody knows it was for earlier in the game. That way you hopefully don't get ejected and/or suspended like you probably would if you retaliated right away.

Brandon420tx · 05-25-2006

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Originally Posted by mexican_texan

Be the bigger man and turn the other cheek. Get a whole bunch of players to go up to the player and offer a hug. Mind games, eh?

05-25-2006	#1
Meloy Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,834 Rep Power: 12	Stupidity or defending your team mate? Expanding on a thought I picked up on another thread. Situation, somebody really goes across the line and bops our player out of bounds, or fingers through the mask into the eyes, stomps a hand,etc. Should Texans retaliate in defense of their team mate even if the penalty really hurts the Texans? We've seen this recently in other sports too. I am leaning to the defend my guy, but do not want to hurt the chances of a win either. Your opinion?

05-25-2006	#2
Brandon420tx Flounder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Albuquerque, NM Age: 25 Posts: 3,874 Rep Power: 4498	I would say, get revenge, when the defense takes the field, maybe a blindside hit to WR who isn't getting the ball, send a message, but then again. I am a jerk.:brickwall __________________ That Dolphin is the bravest thing I ever saw

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	It's almost a street thing...you don't want to let your people get bullied...so you fight back. I know I'd draw some flags, but I'm wired like that. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

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Bamaborn-Texasbred All Pro Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Galveston, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 550 Rep Power: 9	Yeah, I'm a big fan of waiting until later in the game. Take it out on someone else when the referee is looking the other way. __________________ Are you looking forward to baseball season as much as I am?

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Double Barrel Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Section: Gridiron, Texas Age: 46 Posts: 27,242 Rep Power: 84022	It's a fine line, and depends on the situation. For instance, in a really close game, I'd say that players need to have self-control in order to avoid any really costly penalties. There will always be another game, and these dudes have long memories. On the other hand, if the game is a blowout either way, then by all means, jack him up and teach a lesson. Unless, of course, it's a really flagrant foul. If the refs are blind, then justice should be served accordingly. __________________ "FOOTBALL IS ONLY A DIVERSION." ~ HOUSTON TEXANS In Memoriam - 20 little angels

05-25-2006	#4
real Guest Posts: n/a	a Win will hurt the other team more...and why retaliate at that moment...when you can crush the guy legally during a play...

05-25-2006	#7
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	You can have the designated "don't get a flag" guy. You see your teammate get uneccesarry roughed. You then retaliate, but right before you do you get pulled back by another teammate who says "Don't get a flag!!!"

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hollywood_texan Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 43 Posts: 3,011 Rep Power: 1079	I think it depends on if the officials have control of the game. IMO if the officials can't handle it or call it, you gotta take care of your teammates. They are going to have to pay for it, just give the officials first crack to take care of it, otherwise it is going to keep on occurring.

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