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Old 09-03-2004   #21
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I haven't seen anything on 6 WRs either.
Have you seen anything from the Texans that they will only keep 5 WRs? Or how many players at each position the Texans will carry? If you have, would you provide a link?
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if you watch the games they have a short segment called "Texan's Hold'em." They show Johnson and Bradford as our starters with Gaffney as a backup. Then they show the other WRs fighting for 2 spots. Since we all know Derick Armstrong is going to be our #4 guy there is only 1 spot left, meaning we are keeping 5 total.
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Moses is a good returner without question but when you have an adequate backup (Starling) who can contribute in more ways (returning, passing game, gunner), you take the guy who gives you more options. That's just the way I see it.
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They've said in every game that the Texans are going with 5 recievers......6 just sounded very odd to me when someone said the Texans were keeping 6 total. Armstrong is pretty much set and Starling contributes in more ways then one and does a mighty fine job, both at reciever and gunner. Not to mention he does ehhh, so-so at KR/PRer.

I guess if Starling takes that final 5th spot, Moses is gone. Now if Moses takes the spot, Starling will make the practice squad. What do you guys think? Pretty much what I'm saying is that if Moses isn't in the roster...he won't even make it to practice squad but be released. Am I making myself clear??
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What? Nice ramble.

On your first comment, woudn't you rather him get tackled from behind than head on!!
That's what I'm talking about!! They catch him from behind but they do it alot. That's what they say about Domanick Davis. I know it is two totally different positions but I think Moses would be better returning punts because he doesn't turn the ball over (muff or fumble). I don't want a non proven rookie back there catching punts. Hey a couple of muffs and fumbles from JLewis and Avion Black cost us a few games in our first season. They played more then KR/PR but they never really contributed either did they?
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I hope that whoever said Starling couldn't tackle was watching when he laid the wood to that guy late in the game last night. OK, he didn't wrap him up but it was a great hit.
I said that. Well, what I said was that Starling hadn't learned to tackle yet. Congrats to Kendrick on his 1st career NFL preseason tackle.

Really, that play illustrates the need to have a returner that makes good decisions. Mark Jones made a bad decision and should have called for the fair catch. Punt returning in the NFL is not as easy as it apparently looks to some.
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Here's an article that says how many spots are available for each position-CLICK HERE!!!


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The top four spots are set with Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney and Derick Armstrong. It's looking more and more like the Texans will keep five receivers and one of them won't be return specialist J.J. Moses. The Texans appear to be looking for more versatility out of the final receiver spot, and the fact Jabar Gaffney can field punts and Kendrick Starling can handle kickoffs gives the team more options. Seventh-round pick Sloan Thomas could be in the mix, but the practice squad also is an option.
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Starling returned kicks in college so it really isn't anything new to him.
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"The top four spots are set with Andre Johnson, Corey Bradford, Jabar Gaffney and Derick Armstrong. It's looking more and more like the Texans will keep five receivers and one of them won't be return specialist J.J. Moses. The Texans appear to be looking for more versatility out of the final receiver spot, and the fact Jabar Gaffney can field punts and Kendrick Starling can handle kickoffs gives the team more options. Seventh-round pick Sloan Thomas could be in the mix, but the practice squad also is an option."



Pretty much the same thing I said.
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if you watch the games they have a short segment called "Texan's Hold'em."
I didn't realize that Craig James was our new Head Coach & Carleton Thompson was our new GM. My bad.

I went to the home games, so I was spared James commentary. "They've said" that the Texans are going with 5 WRs? Unless Casserly or Capers has made that statement, I reserve judgement until Sunday.
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if you watch the games they have a short segment called "Texan's Hold'em." They show Johnson and Bradford as our starters with Gaffney as a backup. Then they show the other WRs fighting for 2 spots. Since we all know Derick Armstrong is going to be our #4 guy there is only 1 spot left, meaning we are keeping 5 total.
Your first mistake is thinking that a Texans broadcast speaks for the Texans. Your second mistake is that Moses was not even listed among those competing as a WR. Moses is listed as a WR in name only. They have to classiffy him somewhere, but for all intents and purposes, he is a specialist. I tend to put him in the same grouping as Kris Brown and Chad Stanley. IMO, we will keep Moses AND Starling, giving us 6 WR, but for all practical purposes, it is really 5.

BTW - Both Starling, and Armstrong are impressing the hell out of me. Is it even possible for Armstrong to drop a ball. That man is like human super glue. His hands are some of the best I have seen, and he has incredible concentration, catching balls with defenders draped all over him. I never thought I would say it, but he may be passing Gaffney, not because Gaff has fallen off, but because Armstrong does everything Gaff does, only better.
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Actually we were all spared Craig James' (one of college footballs best paid athletes) commentary. He was commentating on the TCU game that is just barely finishing from last night. Man that game went on forever.
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man jj can at least be the damn ball boy or somethin else besides returning kicks and punt returns. he is just takin up a roster spot, he did decent last year but like i said before he aint never gonna take one to the house.....he aint never gettin in the endzone i know for sure on a kick return, i bet you he will maybbbbbbbbbeeee get close on a punt return, but there goes the kicker runnin him down from behind and tacklin him with ease. i wish we could put our high school runnin back from here in the camp back there to return punts chad long. 5'6 150 4.34 10.50 2000 yards rush 8 ypc 28 td. put him in moses uniform one day haha, they would no the differance though, cause hed take one in for sure.
"he aint never gonna take one to the house...."

he took two punts last season that were called back because of penalties. he made a 70 yard run against new orleans, a 63 yarder against the jets, and finished 5th in the afc in return average. AS A ROOKIE. IMO we have to keep him. put the best team on the field, who cares if our 5th string wr is also a marginal returner.
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Your first mistake is thinking that a Texans broadcast speaks for the Texans. Your second mistake is that Moses was not even listed among those competing as a WR. Moses is listed as a WR in name only. They have to classiffy him somewhere, but for all intents and purposes, he is a specialist. I tend to put him in the same grouping as Kris Brown and Chad Stanley. IMO, we will keep Moses AND Starling, giving us 6 WR, but for all practical purposes, it is really 5.
Excellent point, and I agree completely. Moses won't see any action at WR even though it's his listed position. Perhaps after this season Moses might be gone, but I still think the coaches will want his sure hands back there to field punts. If we carry 6 WR then we would just adjust accordingly at another position. Moses is strictly a KR, and Scobey of the Arizona Cardinals is the same. Like Moses, Scobey won't see any time on the field on offense even though he's listed as a HB. Smith, Hambrick, and Casion are all on the depth chart ahead of him. Yet the Cardinals will still go into the season with 4 HBs on the roster. Same as our situation if we go into the season with 6 WRs.
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Nobody is suggesting that. I suspect they are going to keep 6 wr's: AJ, Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, Starling and JJ. Sloan Thomas to the practice squad.
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BTW - Both Starling, and Armstrong are impressing the hell out of me. Is it even possible for Armstrong to drop a ball. That man is like human super glue. His hands are some of the best I have seen, and he has incredible concentration, catching balls with defenders draped all over him. I never thought I would say it, but he may be passing Gaffney, not because Gaff has fallen off, but because Armstrong does everything Gaff does, only better.
After last night's game, it looks like these two quotes pretty much sum up the race. JJ was the only returner given a chance last night and took advantage when he was given the opportunity to return the ball. Sloan Thomas' stock dropped dramatically after an early drop for a 1st down. The morning crew on 610 was also batting around the idea of Armstrong being the new #3 guy over Gaffney as well. Both Armstrong and Starling absolutely SHINED last night in what ultimately was a losing cause.
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I remember last season we were down by like a touch down ,,,,and we were playing i think the jets,,,and J.J came in and returned the ball like 70 yards and gave us an oppurtuinity to win the game (but or offense stalled). He may not be much at WR but we should keep him cause we wont find another player better at KR and PR. Were gonna keep JJ cause field position wins ya games ( he gives us that ).
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why would it be good for the kicker to catch him from behind rather than head on, that would be even more of a shame because kickers arent fast. that would be very embarassing. jj is slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. he like a little volkswagon beetle, small and slow.
Kris Brown made tackles twice in one game on the Jacksonville returner AFTER that guy had gotten by the other ten Texans. Was their returner sloowwwwww?--no, Brown took the correct angle.

Frankly the take it to the house potential (something done only by 9 kr's last year on well over 1000 kr's) is virtually irrelevant. It just doesn't happen enough to care about. Field position and not putting the ball on the ground are things than affect each and every game. JJ routinely makes guys far faster than his slowwww self miss to get good field position. By the way, I am sure the guys JJ has beat for 70 yds, 60 yds, 53 yds, 41 yds, etc. on returns would not agree with your assessment that he is slowwww.
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he took two punts last season that were called back because of penalties. he made a 70 yard run against new orleans, a 63 yarder against the jets, and finished 5th in the afc in return average. AS A ROOKIE.
Moses was a rookie in 2002. Just to be clear.
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5 WRs is not set in stone. The Texans carried as many as 7 WRs on their 53 late in the 2002 season. That was because of an injury or two, but it still could end up being 5 or 6.

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Going into Thursday's game, I didn't know what they were going to do. I knew that Moses would get some returns, as would Gaffney and Starling. But the longer the game drew on, the more I kept waiting for Gaffney or Starling to come in on a return, but every time, Moses was there. I couldn't figure out until last night if the Texans were looking for a reason to keep him or cut him.

Cutting Vontez Duff was the first sign. Then, last night proved to me that Moses will be our return specialist. He gave them no reason to doubt him. He is just as solid and reliable as ever.

I think he had two reasons that his return yards average was lower than his ability last year. One, which he admitted, was that he was so busy trying to prove himself that he didn't take the fair catch when one was warranted. He is improving in that regard (acknowledgement is the biggest obstacle). Second, I think he had several good runs called back on holding penalties, at least half of which, IMO, were unrelated to his progress on the run. Yes, he's not as quick as the ideal, but he looks like Dante Hall when compared to what we had in Jermaine Lewis in 2002.

I like Starling. I hope they can keep him as well. I don't know who I'd be willing to part with to keep him, but I like what I've seen so far. If we can't keep Starling, I have no doubt he will be picked up quickly by another team.
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