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Old 05-25-2006   #1
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OK, I finally came to terms and appreciate the drafting of Mario Williams about a week after the draft. However with the recent developments in the recent practices I'm a little bit puzzled.

1) Why did we pay Anthony Weaver DE money if we are just going to use him as another DT? We already have Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, & Seth Payne. And indications are Mario will be at one end and Peek/Babin at the other. I think we would have been fine with Weaver at one end and Peek/Babin at the other.

2) It sounds like DD's injury is more serious than initially reported. Kubiak does not like Morency and feels he doesn't fit our system. So now we are scrambling to find some scrubs like Antowain Smith & Micheal Bennett to pick up the slack? This makes passing on Reggie Bush even more questionable.


Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing the decisions that have been made, but with these developments it really makes me wonder if the Texans really picked Mario "because he was the best fit for the team" or if there was some other factor (signability) that was the main reason.

It seems to me they were gearing up to draft Reggie with their other FA signings and are now having to do a complete 180 after picking Mario.

If they knew they were going to stick with DD, why didn't they sign Bennett early in free agency? Because they thought they would have Reggie? Now we are going to have to give up a draft pick if we want him.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm????
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I agree with you on the Smith situation...but as of right now you have to assume this is all just Kubiak trying to see if people fit into certain situations. The important thing is that we have lots of depth on our line and can actually discuss who is a better starter rather than say 'crap...we're stuck with this guy again'.

Reggie Bush didn't fit into our system anymore than Morency does right now. Like Kubiak said...we want a one-cut and downhill running system, everyone knows that's not Bush's style. I think Kubiak would have had a cow if we had Bush out there every week spinning and juking defenders (even if it works), it's just not his style of football.
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OK, I finally came to terms and appreciate the drafting of Mario Williams about a week after the draft. However with the recent developments in the recent practices I'm a little bit puzzled.

1) Why did we pay Anthony Weaver DE money if we are just going to use him as another DT? We already have Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, & Seth Payne. And indications are Mario will be at one end and Peek/Babin at the other. I think we would have been fine with Weaver at one end and Peek/Babin at the other.

2) It sounds like DD's injury is more serious than initially reported. Kubiak does not like Morency and feels he doesn't fit our system. So now we are scrambling to find some scrubs like Antowain Smith & Micheal Bennett to pick up the slack? This makes passing on Reggie Bush even more questionable.


Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing the decisions that have been made, but with these developments it really makes me wonder if the Texans really picked Mario "because he was the best fit for the team" or if there was some other factor (signability) that was the main reason.

It seems to me they were gearing up to draft Reggie with their other FA signings and are now having to do a complete 180 after picking Mario.

If they knew they were going to stick with DD, why didn't they sign Bennett early in free agency? Because they thought they would have Reggie? Now we are going to have to give up a draft pick if we want him.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm????


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OK, I finally came to terms and appreciate the drafting of Mario Williams about a week after the draft. However with the recent developments in the recent practices I'm a little bit puzzled.

1) Why did we pay Anthony Weaver DE money if we are just going to use him as another DT? We already have Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, & Seth Payne. And indications are Mario will be at one end and Peek/Babin at the other. I think we would have been fine with Weaver at one end and Peek/Babin at the other.

2) It sounds like DD's injury is more serious than initially reported. Kubiak does not like Morency and feels he doesn't fit our system. So now we are scrambling to find some scrubs like Antowain Smith & Micheal Bennett to pick up the slack? This makes passing on Reggie Bush even more questionable.


Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing the decisions that have been made, but with these developments it really makes me wonder if the Texans really picked Mario "because he was the best fit for the team" or if there was some other factor (signability) that was the main reason.

It seems to me they were gearing up to draft Reggie with their other FA signings and are now having to do a complete 180 after picking Mario.

If they knew they were going to stick with DD, why didn't they sign Bennett early in free agency? Because they thought they would have Reggie? Now we are going to have to give up a draft pick if we want him.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm????

Calm down it is not the end of the world, things like this pop up all the time. If you had reggie right now he would be on the bench anyway.

1. They (kube) has already established that Mario will end up playing all 4 positions on the front line, which also means you will have the other guys switching around also, As a new coach, sometimes you have to mix things up to see how each player(s) compliment each other. not to mention you are forgetting that you will now have fresh players more throughout the game when you need to dig down deep and pin those ears back and go all out on that opposing offensive line (who, mind you, does not have the opportunity to switch for fresh players).

2. Michael Bennett is no slouch of a RB. I know first had seeing him in Minnesota, and smith did well when Duece was out with injury as well. Don't let the wheels fall off just yet. Maybe a little alingment is needed, but this team is still 10 times better than last year or the year before.

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I agree with you on the Smith situation...but as of right now you have to assume this is all just Kubiak trying to see if people fit into certain situations. The important thing is that we have lots of depth on our line and can actually discuss who is a better starter rather than say 'crap...we're stuck with this guy again'.

Reggie Bush didn't fit into our system anymore than Morency does right now. Like Kubiak said...we want a one-cut and downhill running system, everyone knows that's not Bush's style. I think Kubiak would have had a cow if we had Bush out there every week spinning and juking defenders (even if it works), it's just not his style of football.

Agree with depth, I know you cannot forget the 120 degrees down on the field. that takes a toll and when you can bring in fresh bodies to go against an offense that cannot take a break... ADVANTAGE TEXANS!!! GO DEFENSE
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I think, for the first time in our short history, we have possibly achieved a concept called "depth".

I know, I know, it's a weird feeling, and one that we Texans fans might not trust. But I think Coach Kubiak understands the importance of a strong D-line, and we need players that can both rotate positions, as well as come off the bench to keep everyone fresh. Defensive gameplans depend on it.

With regards to DD and not drafting Bush; Signability could easily have been a factor, due to the fact that a player is NOT learning a system and is NOT on the same page as everyone else while he's in hold-out mode. And who knows how long these things can last, as we've seen players refuse to sign through training camp and even into regular season. That can't be good, or even a chance to be considered, for a new coach that wants to hit the ground running as he leads his new team into his first season with them.

In addition, Coach Kubiak comes from a very successful system that proves that mid-round RBs can be very successful under the right circumstances (mainly an o-line that can consistenly create holes). So perhaps he wasn't as bamboozled by the hype as much as the rest of us, because he feels confident that backs are easier to come by than dominant defensive ends. Just food for thought.
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I don't think you have come to terms or appreciate the drafting of Mario Williams, Yet! Keep the faith in time I think you really will.
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I think your post is a valid one & the answear is that this process has been very fluid & changing as all the angles are discussed. VY was not out of the question up until two weeks before the draft, no blockbuster trades offered, not to mention the Texans where very impressed with Marios visit.

Signablity was a factor, thats straight from the owner Bob McNair. Kubiak made the choice to go defensive & a sound one given the changes (4-3) along with aquistion's Weaver/Cowart (not long term solutions). I can see already why they love Mario, he is a team player & fits in the scheme they want to run perfectly
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2) It sounds like DD's injury is more serious than initially reported. Kubiak does not like Morency and feels he doesn't fit our system. So now we are scrambling to find some scrubs like Antowain Smith & Micheal Bennett to pick up the slack? This makes passing on Reggie Bush even more questionable.
I guess the Kubiak team really believes that, for the Texans:

(Mario + any available back) > Reggie Bush
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I agree with the person who stated we have finally come across the concept of depth for the first time in our history. Also, you have to understand either Peek or Babin will not be here next year. For right now during OTA's you see what kind of impact you could have with Weaver playing DT, mix that with the fact that we may be utilizing some 3-4 still due to the type of players we have and then think of how Weaver can always go back to DE and you have depth once more.

As for not signing Bennett before the draft, please remember that initially we wanted to get a trade deal for our pick and we needed to not get other RBs since we needed to build smoke screens to help get that pick traded. Just never happened.
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Yea you may be right, but I dont have to tie up all my time worrying. Simply because........Well never mind then I'll be labeled a troll just for defending myself.

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This isn't a big deal and several people have posted why.

Injuries happen and the good teams overcome them.

Also, talent on a team doesn't fit like a jigsaw puzzle, but it seems clear to me this coaching staff is building a team from a plan and filling it out with talent according to the plan. Which is probably the best approach.

Nothing works perfectly in life, especially in football.

We are going to be all right, besides this is going to several years to get cooking anyway.
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(1) I don't think we are "scrambling for scrubs" because Kubiak expects to have to replace Davis halfway through the season again. I think he is simply a coach who (weird thought, I know) seeks depth.

(2) Where did you get that Kubiak "doesn't like" Morency? Haven't heard one way or the other on that.

(3) Mario will mostly play the DE. Weaver is of the physique/game to work either at DE or DT, but expect him to change in and out with Peek and possibly Babin at DE. In re to giving Weaver DE money, it is precisely because he is a solid player at both positions and that gives us flexibility and again depth.

(4) My Texans sources tell me that Mario was and remains a football decision and that "signability" had nothing to do with it. Again, don't remember if it's been published or not, but the fact is Mario was paid more than the Texans last standing offer to Reggie Bush. It wasn't about the money in any event, and either Kubiak thought that Reggie's game was overvalued, or more likely, figured that he could utilize Davis and someone else just as effectively for his offense's purposes. Which, again, given Kubiak's rather storied success with "plug-n-play RBs" ... I would say is a valid theory.

(5) Also, on draft day ... the Texans had every intention of trading back up into the first with Chicago and grabbing either Maroney or DeAngelo, and all preliminary indications were that they would be able to do so ... and Buffalo swooped in at the last minute and outbid us. That was the FO's plan and since that fell through, they have since merely taken their time to test the market. Apparently NO wants too much for Bennett, and that is why he has not been picked up yet.

(6) It has been said by some of the talking heads (and I agree) that all-world defensive end talent is harder to come by than all-world RB talent. Mario Williams is every bit the exceptional athlete that Reggie Bush is ... and that kind of position-changing athleticism frankly is much harder to come by at the DE spot. Esp. in light of our pretty-good running game versus our sorely lacking defense (again, all been discussed many times on this board) I think it is easy to view Mario as a football decision and the right call.
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Make all the snide comments you like, but remind me again how many times you guys beat us?:brickwall
Sweet heavens, a Colts fan? Who let you and your blasphemous graphics on this board?

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OK, I finally came to terms and appreciate the drafting of Mario Williams about a week after the draft. However with the recent developments in the recent practices I'm a little bit puzzled.

1) Why did we pay Anthony Weaver DE money if we are just going to use him as another DT? We already have Robaire Smith, Travis Johnson, & Seth Payne. And indications are Mario will be at one end and Peek/Babin at the other. I think we would have been fine with Weaver at one end and Peek/Babin at the other.
I believe Weaver was one of our first FA signings....... if not the first. Kubiak told Casserly he wants this guy. He plays DE in a 3-4... that makes him a Tackle in a 4-3.... more or less..... you don't see us even thinking about sliding our DEs over?? no, we're moving our OLBs to DE, and our DEs to tackle. I think Casserly/Ferens went about business as usual, negotiated & signed Weaver like they've been signing people in the past. Goofy contracts, trying to "lure" players to play in Houston. There is no doubt in my mind, that Kubiak ripped Ferens/Casserly a new Ahole when he learned of the contract details..... Even as a DE, Kubiak wasn't planning on paying him that kinda money.
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2) It sounds like DD's injury is more serious than initially reported. Kubiak does not like Morency and feels he doesn't fit our system. So now we are scrambling to find some scrubs like Antowain Smith & Micheal Bennett to pick up the slack? This makes passing on Reggie Bush even more questionable.
I'm not getting this. DD is right on schedule.....
Kubiak will have 4 RBs going into the season, whether we had Reggie Bush or whoever. I don't think we're scrambling for scrubs either. Smith has shown to be a quality backup/potential starter..... Bennette has been a starter till now. Neither of which I believe will be getting any kind of Bonus from us..... they might not make the team. Until the beggining of the season, we might sign a dozen other RBs......... doesn't mean they will be on the team. Just filling spots for TC.
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Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing the decisions that have been made, but with these developments it really makes me wonder if the Texans really picked Mario "because he was the best fit for the team" or if there was some other factor (signability) that was the main reason.
I think we targeted Mario early on(Weaver was supposed to play Tackle). We believed we would be able to make the trade with the Jets, and still get him. Two things happened to screw that up.
1) The Jets weren't playing, when they said they weren't trading up.
2) The Saints signed a QB....
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It seems to me they were gearing up to draft Reggie with their other FA signings and are now having to do a complete 180 after picking Mario.
I think they wanted everyone to think that. The hype he was generating..... or the hype ESPN was generating. The Jets with an aging Curtis Martin.. surely someone in the top 4 would come up and get him............ not.

I don't think Kubiak rated Reggie as highly as reported. I can't imagine Shanahan saying,"yeah you should pay the unproven fella $9mill a year, to do the exact same thing I get these guys to do for $400,000/yr" it doesn't make sense.

The only #1 in this years draft, was Vince Young.... and we screwed that pouch with David's $8mil + Sage's $2 mil.

So taking Reggie..... just didn't make sense..... Taking Vince screws up the QB position more than it'll probably help........ D'Brick just isn't as athletic as we're going to need....... AJ Hawk with a #1 overall?? I don't think so....... we wanted Mario from the get go, as he's the best player to help us in 2006, so we took him at #1.
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If they knew they were going to stick with DD, why didn't they sign Bennett early in free agency? Because they thought they would have Reggie? Now we are going to have to give up a draft pick if we want him.
Bennett would be a value pick to anyone, since N.O. is taking the hit for the Bonus he's been paid..... I doubt we'd be looking at him if it weren't for that. I don't think we're scrambling for a RB anymore than we were scrambling for a WR...... or LB..... we have spots to fill on our roster..... we're trying to fill them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I think, for the first time in our short history, we have possibly achieved a concept called "depth".

I know, I know, it's a weird feeling, and one that we Texans fans might not trust. But I think Coach Kubiak understands the importance of a strong D-line, and we need players that can both rotate positions, as well as come off the bench to keep everyone fresh. Defensive gameplans depend on it.

With regards to DD and not drafting Bush; Signability could easily have been a factor, due to the fact that a player is NOT learning a system and is NOT on the same page as everyone else while he's in hold-out mode. And who knows how long these things can last, as we've seen players refuse to sign through training camp and even into regular season. That can't be good, or even a chance to be considered, for a new coach that wants to hit the ground running as he leads his new team into his first season with them.

In addition, Coach Kubiak comes from a very successful system that proves that mid-round RBs can be very successful under the right circumstances (mainly an o-line that can consistenly create holes). So perhaps he wasn't as bamboozled by the hype as much as the rest of us, because he feels confident that backs are easier to come by than dominant defensive ends. Just food for thought.

This too me hits the nail on the head all three of the points. Kubiak has been in the NFL for awhile now. He might just know a little more about the game than most of us.
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I Respect you V Man........ but this argument can be used in Capers favor as well.
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Old 05-25-2006   #20
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Very good post as some around here are starting to think that Kubiak = Shanahan and can give us a Super Bowl next season. There have been some quesitonable decisions this off season, but for the most part we are gutting a 2-14 team, so really we can't get any worse. A good GM is going to be breath of fresh air around here.
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