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Old 05-17-2006   #1
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Ok so first off I am not a supporter of the Mario pick @ #1, but am a supporter of the player. he is a fantastic talent, definitely worthy of a top pick in almost every draft, just not this one...



Next is the abundance of money/resources in the d-line. loads of money tied into robaire, walker, payne, weaver, williams. with babin and johnson sitting in the background as wasted 1st round picks. if they make williams the strong side DE they will be making an enourmous error, as his passrushing is sorely needed on the weakside. moving weaver to DT would be another blunder, as his contract is for a DE, not a DT.

our secondary has only 1 player that could start on 50% of the teams in the league (thats my benchmark for a serviceable player)
We have two SS's that aren't that good at SS, and certainly lack the ability to cover at FS. Pbuc will not be better with a better line. let me repeat that, PBUC WILL NOT PLAY BETTER WITH A BETTER DEFENSIVE LINE the kid just doesnt have what it takes to play in the NFL mentally.

now to address the oline, uh oh.
we're in for another scary year there. yes, it will be slightly improved, but it is WELL below anything that can be deemed acceptable. We have two big bodies at the tackles spots for the next two years as our rookies try to develope. (rookie tackles NEVER play well, ESPECIALLY 3rd ROUND ROOKIES)
we have a collection of three underachieving disappointments, one "was-good, might still be" player, and one "pretty good, not bad" player being shuffled around non-stop. disaster waiting to happen, and i know people are going to act like they are surprised when it happens.

the linebackers are woefully incomplete. Greenwood is meh. Wong is a gimp. Orr is meh. Cowart is old. Ryans is nice, but still a rookie. oh if we had only drafted derrick johnson. we wouldnt have a surplus of overpaid dt's, and we would have at least 1 proven linebacker.

Carr- dude HAS to get it together this year. if he doesn't progress, this franchise will be in the hole for the next 5 years.

DD- will be replaced by morency at somepoint in the season. homerun threats always look best.

my draft review

we hit on:
Daniels in the 4th
Winston in the 3rd

neutral on:
williams 1st- better options out there, not as big a need as made out to be.
ryans- we needed secondary baaaaaaad
spencer- might be too big to be a good ZB player

missed on-
Jon Scott in the 5th
Justice in the 2nd

my record-prediction is...... 5-11 or 6-10. if we catch a few breaks from parody, we can be 7-9.

there is no way we break .500 with a very poor offensive line, an amazingly weak secondary, a hobbled group of linebackers, and half our salary tied into the defensive line.
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why would we draft scott when we drafted winston and spencer..?


what makes you so sure the secondary/linebackers won't be improved or "seem to be improved" with an improved passrush... To me the key to the offense is the OL and on defense the D-line sets the tone makes the Qb hurry or whatnot.

if I am not mistaken Walker has been cut on the d-line

Payne probably has one more year left on his contract if I am not mistaken.

so that leave Weaver,johnson,smith,Williams at D-line..

not sure where Babin/Peek will end up ..those might be the "tweeners" that come in on spot duty...someone else can help me on that.


I'd say the biggest thing on the OL is coaching.. Pendry shouldn't even be mentioned with our OL coaches ...big improvement IMO on that..
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1. Strongside is the better side for Williams. Id rather have a better strongside DE than a weakside DE, and im pretty sure he can play either well. Also Johnson isnt a miss, he barely played last season...He might be more productive than Williams this year, you watch. And again...Peek and Babin coming in at weak DE on situations with Williams at strong side mmmmm...wrong again my friend. Dline is our best group now.

2. Linebacker is one of our stronger positions, what the hell are you talking about?

3. We have a much better Offensive Line and it will be middle of the road of the NFL this season.

4. You are right about our secondary, good job on being right about one thing.
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1. Strongside is the better side for Williams. Id rather have a better strongside DE than a weakside DE, and im pretty sure he can play either well. Also Johnson isnt a miss, he barely played last season...He might be more productive than Williams this year, you watch. And again...Peek and Babin coming in at weak DE on situations with Williams at strong side mmmmm...wrong again my friend. Dline is our best group now. I never said the dline was bad, so try and actually read next time. its called money, and we have too much of it tied into the dline. and you expect a 2nd year DT that never played last year to have better stats than a #1 overall pick DE. right....

2. Linebacker is one of our stronger positions, what the hell are you talking about? wow being a strong position on a 2-14 team isn't an accomplishment. they are very weak, no real legit starters right now, a bunch of 2nd/3rd tier players

3. We have a much better Offensive Line and it will be middle of the road of the NFL this season. how? because you say so?

4. You are right about our secondary, good job on being right about one thing.
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why would we draft scott when we drafted winston and spencer..?


what makes you so sure the secondary/linebackers won't be improved or "seem to be improved" with an improved passrush... To me the key to the offense is the OL and on defense the D-line sets the tone makes the Qb hurry or whatnot. well we were 14th last year in sacks, and out secondary played like middle schoolers. unless you expect us to move into the top 5 for sacks, there won't be this amazing difference because we drafted 1 guy.

if I am not mistaken Walker has been cut on the d-line yes but he is still draining our cap

Payne probably has one more year left on his contract if I am not mistaken. i think he got an extension last year

so that leave Weaver,johnson,smith,Williams at D-line..

not sure where Babin/Peek will end up ..those might be the "tweeners" that come in on spot duty...someone else can help me on that. thats two first day picks, if they were to become "spot duty" it would be a total failure


I'd say the biggest thing on the OL is coaching.. Pendry shouldn't even be mentioned with our OL coaches ...big improvement IMO on that..id say its a lack of quality players
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1. The fact that we've added two potential starters to the LB position makes it much different than last year...dont you think?

2. Why is the Oline going to be horrible this season with a new coach, oh by the way ex-head coach, working with them and many new faces?...Why? Because you say so?

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1. The fact that we've added two potential starters to the LB position makes it much different than last year...dont you think? we added ryan to start, and cowart for depth

2. Why is the Oline going to be horrible this season with a new coach, oh by the way ex-head coach, working with them and many new faces?...Why? Because you say so? read the first post, because it is the same group of rejects that has been the worst line in NFL history for the past 4 years. coaching won't turn crap into gold.

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You are neglecting to realize that we have added 3 players and coaching does change things...Have you ever played football...or maybe talked to a coach before...or were you in band?
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read the first post, because it is the same group of rejects that has been the worst line in NFL history for the past 4 years. coaching won't turn crap into gold.
You think it's possible that the new coaches think that the OL personnel wasn't too bad and their blocking scheme really sucked?

I've yet to hear of Joe Pendry getting a new job yet.
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If coaching doesn't make a difference.. hmm we should have kept Capers and Pendry

Coaching and scheme didn't help me

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You are neglecting to realize that we have added 3 players and coaching does change things...Have you ever played football...or maybe talked to a coach before...or were you in band?
these arent high school kids. coaching doesnt make you remember how to pass block. these are professional athletes, they are treated differently than your JV coach treats you

we added two rookies who should not be expected to perform at a starting level for two seasons, and a starting center. so we added 1 player and depth for the next year or two.
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haha at the Wedding Crashers signature.

And when i get back home im going to go to see the doctor about what you did to my back...and not just any doctor...a doctor Epsteen who specializes....
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You think it's possible that the new coaches think that the OL personnel wasn't too bad and their blocking scheme really sucked?

I've yet to hear of Joe Pendry getting a new job yet.
oh its possible, but a scheme doesnt make players get pushed back every snap.
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we added two rookies who should not be expected to perform at a starting level for two seasons, and a starting center. so we added 1 player and depth for the next year or two.
Salaam?....check out our roster maybe dude
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Salaam?....check out our roster maybe dude
salaam shouldnt be expected to play any significant amount of time.

he is veteran depth, nothing more.
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well Babin and Peek are the price we may have to pay for changing our scheme from a 3-4 to 4-3..

just imagine what money would be tied up with a bush/dd thing or even a VY/Carr thing ..then we'd be talking about some cash at a position that some high dollar player would be on the bench.

What would you have the Texans do?

I can't believe you think coaches don't make players... yes talent does take over but I can think of some talented teams on paper that didn't do squat (paging the redskins a few years ago) ...paging the Yankees in baseball with their 200 million dollar payroll) ... please don't underestimate coaching.
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goes to show that you cant please everyone. we cut walker on the d-line to free up a little money now & a lot later, would you prefer we kept him? we got substancial talent everywhere on the team except db's. what other teams can say that?

we addressed our offensive line by bringing in mike freakin sherman to coach, a probowl center, and drafting TWO first day linemen. i'm leading the charge against how bad our offensive line was, and if i cant complain, i'm not sure how anyone else can. by the way .... khalif barnes (jags) & logan mankins (pats) are just 2 rookies from last year that played exceptionally well (barnes LT, mankins LG).

our d-line is now a strength and yes it's costing us a pretty penny .... i think the 12-4 jaguars dont mind being known for their front four though. i think p-burnt is a bust, but even if he's simply mediocre, a strong line can make the secondary's job A LOT easier. i dont think polamalu & john lynch are exactly known for their coverage skills, but it doesnt seem to matter when the qb has no time to throw ... or are you just being hypocritical by not noticing that from our own offensive line's past.

you're being critical of capers' problems which is entirely fair, but you seem to be blaming the current texans for their errors. but, i'd rather just ask ... what would you have done differently this offseason? i'm willing to bet that you wont have many in agreement.
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First of all, new to the message board so hello. Second the Dline is by far one of our stronger groups as of right now, we do have some money tied up but Walkers is gone I think we 2.5 mil back on that, and if Weaver plays DT I'd have to say his contract is pretty high as well. I was never very high on Babin, and it's a shame we're gonna have two 1st rnd backups but if nothing else it's quality depth. I'd like to see Mario,Smith, Payne, Weaver on 1st and 2nd downs, and Peek, Mario, Weaver, andBabin on passing downs. Our lb core to me seems like we got alot of average linebackers, definitely lacks some playmaking ability, Greenwood played strongside backer in Miami's d when Seau was out and had a good year, so maybe he's worth the money we've got tied in to him and I think Ryans will turn into our best lb. Secondary Dunta is the only playmaker we have, not a fan of PBuch I don't like soft players. I personally like our young tandem at safety, athletic and not afraid to hit and with some coaching could possibly be ok. Stone is quality backup, but not much depth there. All in all I do think there will be an improvement on both sides of the ball and 7-9 is a possibility.
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First of all, new to the message board so hello. Second the Dline is by far one of our stronger groups as of right now, we do have some money tied up but Walkers is gone I think we 2.5 mil back on that, and if Weaver plays DT I'd have to say his contract is pretty high as well. I was never very high on Babin, and it's a shame we're gonna have two 1st rnd backups but if nothing else it's quality depth. I'd like to see Mario,Smith, Payne, Weaver on 1st and 2nd downs, and Peek, Mario, Weaver, andBabin on passing downs. Our lb core to me seems like we got alot of average linebackers, definitely lacks some playmaking ability, Greenwood played strongside backer in Miami's d when Seau was out and had a good year, so maybe he's worth the money we've got tied in to him and I think Ryans will turn into our best lb. Secondary Dunta is the only playmaker we have, not a fan of PBuch I don't like soft players. I personally like our young tandem at safety, athletic and not afraid to hit and with some coaching could possibly be ok. Stone is quality backup, but not much depth there. All in all I do think there will be an improvement on both sides of the ball and 7-9 is a possibility.
Welcome...I also like our young safetys for the future maybe, but not now....C.C. Brown seems to have alot of potential but he needs to learn and fast if he is going to start at FS, one of the most important positions on defense....you cannot get beat often at that position and expect to win. Also watch for Travis Johnson to play very well next year...i saw him play in college and i promise he has alot of heart and ability.
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On the D-line that is something that irks me. You get Weaver and pay him DE money and then want to shuffle him to DT. I mean no disrespect, but that's a waste of money and talent. Weaver has been an end his entire pro career. Moving him in also means less playing time for TJ, more wasted money. Peek and Babin WTF. No disrespect but with Weaver and Williams their best shot would be at situational pass rushers. Nothing against Williams or Weaver their not the ones making the money decisions, but for all the money tied up on our line they better be ranked in the top 5 next yr. to even justify what's going on. If there's a trade it has to be a d-lineman included. We'll still eat up a cap hit, but damn that's just too much money sitting on the bench. You got 3-4 tackles making millions and 3-4 DE's making millions depending how you classify Weaver. The way I see it, it should be Weaver, Smith, TJ, Williams for the majority of plays with Babin or Peek whoever is better as situational. Payne, and Peek or Babin are expendable. Seeing as how they just re-signed Peek I would think Babin is closer to the door. They still have till June 1st to make cuts, but as of right now I don't see the financial sense in the personnel.
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