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Bamaborn-Texasbred · 05-12-2006

This offseason has been so good that our defensive backfield has gone from this team's biggest strength (IMO) to probably it's weakest link. None of the personnell have changed. I don't think our secondary is terrible. So, that to me says a whole lot about just how good a job the Texans did this offseason.

On paper, this looks like the most improved team in football. Granted that isn't hard to do as bad as they were last year, but Bob McNair, Kubiak and company have managed to get me all pumped up about football and it is only May! I can't wait to get my season ticket package in the mail. I hope we get something other than a pen and leather binder this year. Perhaps a banner, hat, or t-shirt this time around.

El Tejano · 05-12-2006

Man, I love my binder.

Anyways, I think it is time for everyone to start praying that for once, injuries remove themselves from our team.

bdiddy · 05-12-2006

I think our backfield is average. I think would could improve at the FS position and Earl has a hard time staying healthy at the SS position.

Obviously, Dunta is a top 5 DB in the league. I think we can get more out of Buchanon. If we scheme our coverage to take advantage of his strengths and not weaknesses, he could be a legit second corner. This would also allow Faggins to move the the third CB position where he would then become above average.

We could use some more depth.

TexanFan881 · 05-12-2006

Every time I look at who we have at DB the more satisfied I become. I think Buchanon will step up and be a solid or above average #2 and Faggins will be a very solid #3 for us.

**kiwitexansfan** · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by bdiddy

Obviously, Dunta is a top 5 DB in the league.

Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.

dwilt72 · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by Trade'06pick

This offseason has been so good that our defensive backfield has gone from this team's biggest strength (IMO) to probably it's weakest link.

You've gotta be $%^&*%^&* kidding me! Anyone remember the Rams game (10 point lead with 30 secs left) and the Baltimore game?

YoungTexanFan · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by bdiddy

This would also allow Faggins to move the the third CB position where he would then become above average.

Scratch that...Faggins as our #3 CB would still make him slightly below average comparitavly through the league.

Brandon420tx · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.

The only reason Dunta didn't make the probowl is that in the last weak of voting he was overtaken by a more-well known star.

**kiwitexansfan** · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by Brandon420tx

The only reason Dunta didn't make the probowl is that in the last weak of voting he was overtaken by a more-well known star.

A large portion of the vote is taken by Coaches and the like is it not?? Popular opinion is just a part of the vote. Oh yeah and you get well known by making plays.

Samer · 05-12-2006

Yeah your right in that you get well known by making plays, but most QB's have been going to the other side of the field and away from Robinson making it hard for him to make plays, now if we have more of a legit #2 CB, then he will be forced to defend the ball more and will show you just how good he is

LORK 88 · 05-12-2006

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

A large portion of the vote is taken by Coaches and the like is it not?? Popular opinion is just a part of the vote. Oh yeah and you get well known by making plays.

Fans still control 1/3 of the voting. Hell, Monty Reagor was leading the DT fan voting, whats that tell you about fan ignorance. Also, the fact that your basing his entire career thus far on pro bowls isnt the best idea . . .

wicked_wayz · 05-12-2006

well think about it we had no effective pass rushers and the other teams qb kept hitting 2 either buchanna or faggins and yet DR still made plays

and now thanks to FA and the draft our Dline has improved majorly and will able to put way more pressure on the QB whch will result in our DB bein better.

run-david-run · 05-12-2006

I would say that linebackers are currently our worst position. Little to no depth at MLB, a rookie and Orr at strongside and Greenwood/Wong (minus the knee ligaments) at weakside linebacker. The secondery is below average but very young and fast. Hopefully, like the rest of the team, they will get better as the season goes on.

**Trap_Star** · 05-12-2006

Does anybody know if Aaron Glenn is still a cowboy? I would'nt mind bringing him back as a nickel corner.

Maybe he can get into P-Buc's head and teach him how to be real pro.

bdiddy · 05-13-2006

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Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.

Dunta has only been in the league 2 years, unless your Jerome Mathis, it is pretty hard to make it to the pro bowl at such a young age. Trust, he is regarded as the best "young" corner in the league. He, like the whole team, did not play as well as he could have last year. I predict he makes his first pro bowl this year.

fastpitchwoof · 05-13-2006

Our DBs were pretty good last year without a pass rush. Now we are going to have a pass rush which will make the DBs even better. We should be able to get off the field on 3rd downs now and that puts the ball back into the offenses hands. I like our offense with Carr, DD (and all of the other backs), AJ and Moulds, the improved O-Line and a host of TEs.

We will not be a threat to win the Super Bowl but I think if everything goes well we could be knocking on the door of the playoffs.

Tayton · 05-13-2006

Our DBs were lousy last year. Other offenses avoided D Rob and threw directly at Buchanan. Yes we had no pass rush so average DB would get beat with double moves. Buchanan got beat from the line of scrimmage. He gives too much cushion and cannot close or tackle. Buchanan may be a good Nickle Back where he can gamble, have help, and make plays, but I pray he does not start.

BuffSoldier · 05-13-2006

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Originally Posted by Trap_Star

Does anybody know if Aaron Glenn is still a cowboy? I would'nt mind bringing him back as a nickel corner.

Maybe he can get into P-Buc's head and teach him how to be real pro.

I saw Aaron Glenn at Home Depot like 4 days ago.

BigTimeTexanFan · 05-13-2006

DRob outplayed AGlenn his rookie year

Marcus · 05-13-2006

The biggest falsehood I see when the secondary is discussed it this:

"Yeah, we couldn't get pressure on the QB, but . . .

Isn't that like saying, "Yeah, the OL couldn't protect Carr, but . . .

There are no "buts".

If the front 7, which has been dramatically addressed this offseason, even more than some of you liked, can do something that they have never consistantly done in their 5 year existance . . . actually put pressure on the opposing QB . . .

. . . you will see just how good our secondary is.

05-12-2006	#1
Bamaborn-Texasbred All Pro Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Galveston, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 550 Rep Power: 9	Defensive Backfield This offseason has been so good that our defensive backfield has gone from this team's biggest strength (IMO) to probably it's weakest link. None of the personnell have changed. I don't think our secondary is terrible. So, that to me says a whole lot about just how good a job the Texans did this offseason. On paper, this looks like the most improved team in football. Granted that isn't hard to do as bad as they were last year, but Bob McNair, Kubiak and company have managed to get me all pumped up about football and it is only May! I can't wait to get my season ticket package in the mail. I hope we get something other than a pen and leather binder this year. Perhaps a banner, hat, or t-shirt this time around. __________________ Are you looking forward to baseball season as much as I am?

05-12-2006	#4
TexanFan881 Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Illinois Age: 23 Posts: 2,794 Rep Power: 580	Every time I look at who we have at DB the more satisfied I become. I think Buchanon will step up and be a solid or above average #2 and Faggins will be a very solid #3 for us. __________________ Proud Adoptee Of Our Future Starting Running Back Chris Taylor

05-12-2006	#10
Samer Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 187 Rep Power: 8	Yeah your right in that you get well known by making plays, but most QB's have been going to the other side of the field and away from Robinson making it hard for him to make plays, now if we have more of a legit #2 CB, then he will be forced to defend the ball more and will show you just how good he is __________________ silence is golden... but SHOUTING IS FUN!!!

05-12-2006	#12
wicked_wayz all blacks Join Date: May 2006 Location: auckland, new zealand Age: 29 Posts: 536 Rep Power: 8	well think about it we had no effective pass rushers and the other teams qb kept hitting 2 either buchanna or faggins and yet DR still made plays and now thanks to FA and the draft our Dline has improved majorly and will able to put way more pressure on the QB whch will result in our DB bein better. __________________ *rugby league - school of hard knocks*

05-12-2006	#13
run-david-run Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The University of Texas Age: 24 Posts: 3,370 Rep Power: 1329	I would say that linebackers are currently our worst position. Little to no depth at MLB, a rookie and Orr at strongside and Greenwood/Wong (minus the knee ligaments) at weakside linebacker. The secondery is below average but very young and fast. Hopefully, like the rest of the team, they will get better as the season goes on. __________________ Andre Johnson is The Answer

05-12-2006	#2
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	Man, I love my binder. Anyways, I think it is time for everyone to start praying that for once, injuries remove themselves from our team.

05-12-2006	#3
bdiddy Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 452 Rep Power: 8	I think our backfield is average. I think would could improve at the FS position and Earl has a hard time staying healthy at the SS position. Obviously, Dunta is a top 5 DB in the league. I think we can get more out of Buchanon. If we scheme our coverage to take advantage of his strengths and not weaknesses, he could be a legit second corner. This would also allow Faggins to move the the third CB position where he would then become above average. We could use some more depth. __________________ *Mario, what would you like to say to the fans? "I Eat Mannings for Breakfast"*

05-12-2006	#14
Trap_Star SiteContributor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: xvideo Age: 27 Posts: 4,348 Rep Power: 9782	Does anybody know if Aaron Glenn is still a cowboy? I would'nt mind bringing him back as a nickel corner. Maybe he can get into P-Buc's head and teach him how to be real pro. __________________ Sorry Brakos! I need to change my Sig for Texan_Bill's friend!! RIP Stephen "Bubba" Carranza!! You will always be loved!! RIP!!!

05-13-2006	#16
fastpitchwoof Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas Age: 49 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Our DBs were pretty good last year without a pass rush. Now we are going to have a pass rush which will make the DBs even better. We should be able to get off the field on 3rd downs now and that puts the ball back into the offenses hands. I like our offense with Carr, DD (and all of the other backs), AJ and Moulds, the improved O-Line and a host of TEs. We will not be a threat to win the Super Bowl but I think if everything goes well we could be knocking on the door of the playoffs.

05-13-2006	#17
Tayton Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 148 Rep Power: 9	Our DBs were lousy last year. Other offenses avoided D Rob and threw directly at Buchanan. Yes we had no pass rush so average DB would get beat with double moves. Buchanan got beat from the line of scrimmage. He gives too much cushion and cannot close or tackle. Buchanan may be a good Nickle Back where he can gamble, have help, and make plays, but I pray he does not start.

05-13-2006	#19
BigTimeTexanFan All Pro Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 574 Rep Power: 1963	DRob outplayed AGlenn his rookie year

05-13-2006	#20
Marcus Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Stafford, Texas Age: 59 Posts: 6,781 Rep Power: 19134	The biggest falsehood I see when the secondary is discussed it this: "Yeah, we couldn't get pressure on the QB, but . . . Isn't that like saying, "Yeah, the OL couldn't protect Carr, but . . . There are no "buts". If the front 7, which has been dramatically addressed this offseason, even more than some of you liked, can do something that they have never consistantly done in their 5 year existance . . . actually put pressure on the opposing QB . . . . . . you will see just how good our secondary is.

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