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Old 05-11-2006   #1
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here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.
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What a moron. There is no such thing as a player with no bust potential.
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I agree that it is all speculation by these guys. I posted this same thing the other day and this was the quote that stood out to me. Same link

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=90696

"If Williams is a leader in Houston, it will be a first for him. People around the N.C. State program will tell you Williams had to be pushed to work hard in the weight room, at practice and, most disturbingly, in games. "
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I agree that it is all speculation by these guys. I posted this same thing the other day and this was the quote that stood out to me. Same link

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=90696

"If Williams is a leader in Houston, it will be a first for him. People around the N.C. State program will tell you Williams had to be pushed to work hard in the weight room, at practice and, most disturbingly, in games. "
Well since we cant ask I guess we have to take his word for it...........Give me a break, this guy just does not like him.
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Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.
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here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.


3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.
Ryan Leaf...Anyone? How about Tim Couch? Russell Mayland? Jeff George? Steve Emtman? Courtney Brown? Ki-Jana Carter? My point is you just don't. know. For every sure bet there are always going to be someone who is a plain ol head case (or injury prone). I would be willing to bet that Williams is going to be great, but the truth is just that...a Bet...
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What a moron. There is no such thing as a player with no bust potential.
HEY HEY!! I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT!! I was a can't-miss, no-bust prospect!!

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Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.
How so? How many players are there like Reggie in the NFL? Not many running backs make it on speed and jukes alone. Yes Reggie is great in college and there is a good chance that will transfer to the NFL, but the role Williams' fills translates to the NFL far more frequently then the way Reggie plays. Im not saying that Reggie is going to bust, but I believe there is a better chance for Reggie to bust then for Mario.
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lets look at his rules of the draft-

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

false statement don't you think thats flawed from inception?

2. He must have potential for greatness.

again no crystal ball of infalibilty, but certainly even though a DE Bruce Smith was/is considered a great hall of fame player, so I see no reason at lest from a positional standpoint greatness is limited to the RB position & that there is an equal opportunity for each to achieve their destiny.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

lead the defense, win more games? both would help improve this franchise image, not to mention signability down the road when things have turned around and the Texans are in the playoffs year in and year out.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

Is not the Texans crop of RB's one of its strengths? that the Texans are changing schemes to a 4-3 & the fact the Texans have yet to establish a pass rush paramount for dramatic impact?

where have all the good sportswriters gone? somewhere the is just not coming on
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Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.

RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?
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RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?
Good points. Excellent counter argument. Having said that, give me Bush, as I see very little bust potential. Nevertheless, you made some valid arguments that deserve to be thought about.
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RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?
I think they are

also which future prospect/star will get the most snaps from scrimmage? doesn't Kubes prefeer RB by committee & while Mario is moving around the line to cause mis-matches and nightmare sceneros for offensive coordinators on every defensive down, Bush will get his 15-18 touches per game
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also which future prospect/star will get the most snaps from scrimmage? doesn't Kubes prefeer RB by committee & while Mario is moving around the line to cause mis-matches and nightmare sceneros for offensive coordinators on every defensive down, Bush will get his 15-18 touches per game
I like Williams and refuse to call anyone a bust at this time. I think the Bush camp though will counter that even though he touches it 15-18 times, he will also be lining up in the backfield and in the slot creating nightmares for D coordinators even when he isn't touching it...thus keeping Carr upright.
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With great insight like that, aren't you glad you pay for ESPN Insider?
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When NFL defenders start blowing tackles and generally slow down like the college defenders in all the Bush highlight reels, I might grant that he's a "for sure" pick. Until that happens, though, I'll stick to the firm logic that nobody is guaranteed from being a bust in the NFL until they prove otherwise.
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here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.
You can't always just go by one system for many different situations. So if you already have a good RB and you need a pass rush you should draft the RB because the DE has a more logical chance at being a bust. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't agree with the logic he uses.

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

You can try but you can't tell out of college how a player is exactly going to perform. Look at Ki-Jana Carter. In 8 years of football he's on the Saints and has got 1000 career rushing yards. DD practically did that last year and he was injured.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

Doesn't every player in the draft have some potential for greatness?

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

Whoever said a good player had to be a leader? I don't agree with that.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

Doesn't this just prove why we should have taken Mario Williams...?

Mario Williams I think fills out all 4 while Reggie probably is just the first three, which explains exactly why we should have and did pick Super Mario.

He also says we ignored the 1st and 3rd rules. So, maybe Mario was a little bit bigger of a risk. He's stil a great player and was worthy of the first pick. Basically, he's saying the most important rule is to do what is popular with the fans.
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What an ASS! No one ever doubted Mario's work ethic While at NCSU! Had to be pushed in the weight room? What a crock of $hi&! Look at the kids build. My wife's aunt was a teacher in Richlands and taught Mario. She thinks the world of him. She says that he is a hard worker. This same jerk said that Mario was soft because he had had evry thing given to him. Not true. Mario worked at sub ways after shool and on weekends while in highschool. One of the motivating factors for Mario to turn pro early was his desire to take care of his niece & nephew who's father was killed in Iraq.
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What an ASS! No one ever doubted Mario's work ethic While at NCSU! Had to be pushed in the weight room? What a crock of $hi&! Look at the kids build. My wife's aunt was a teacher in Richlands and taught Mario. She thinks the world of him. She says that he is a hard worker. This same jerk said that Mario was soft because he had had evry thing given to him. Not true. Mario worked at sub ways after shool and on weekends while in highschool. One of the motivating factors for Mario to turn pro early was his desire to take care of his niece & nephew who's father was killed in Iraq.

I heard the same thing...This shows me that we may have picked the right guy. Of Course, time will tell, but at least he isn't going to loose his Trophies for breaking NCAA regs...
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The further we get from the draft, and the more of these "Texans should have picked Bush" articles I see...

...The less it becomes about honest journalism and the more it becomes a situation of a vendetta that a guy has against a team (our team, in this case) for not "complying" with what "they" think we should or shouldn't do.

Seriously, my opinion is that Pompei has a man crush on Bush that rivals the man crush some had on Vince Young, and it's getting to the point that it looks a little petty for a writer to publish a story that has been done about a few hundred times over the past few weeks. Some people just get wayyyy too involved with the players they think are good/great.

We are not homers here--we've all had stages of anger against this team--and yet we all pretty much feel that this draft was by far the best draft we've ever had, mostly because of what we can see in terms of CC being out of the loop and a more savvy football guy (Kubiak) working his mojo. And we get graded by several draft experts (Kiper included) with the highest grade, and yet Pompei grades us a "D?" We got a D? Not a B, not a C, ....a D.

He graded us a D because we didn't pick Bush.

Wow. Kinda' makes me wish I had never supported the Bush pick for the past few months. What a psycho.
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When I read that the term " yellow journalism" comes to mind. there isn't a word of truth in Pompei's column. Dan Pomei is a liar and a fraud.
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