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Old 05-11-2006   #1
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From Andrew Perloff of cnnsi.com:

Eric Moulds, Texans: Is anyone paying attention in Houston? Either the offensive line can't block or quarterback David Carr stinks. Either way, the Texans didn't fix the problem and adding a receiver won't help. Predicted Production: 55 catches, 800 yards.

I wish writers would do their homework once in a while instead of harping on the same things since year one. And, the last time I checked, adding Moulds just might help David Carr. So I guess adding a receiver might help after all. Wow, it seems this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Eric Moulds, Texans: Is anyone paying attention in Houston? Either the offensive line can't block or quarterback David Carr stinks. Either way, the Texans didn't fix the problem and adding a receiver won't help. Predicted Production: 55 catches, 800 yards.

I wish writers would do their homework once in a while instead of harping on the same things since year one. And, the last time I checked, adding Moulds just might help David Carr. So I guess adding a receiver might help after all. Wow, it seems this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yeah, adding an All Pro WR as your #2 never helps against defenses.
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Here's my reaction to Andrew Perloff.
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Well, everyone knows Andrew Perloff is.....is....ummmm...who the eff is Andrew Perloff again?

As much as I try to care what this nobody thinks of our team....I....just...can't...seem...to...give....a. ..hoot.
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So, resigning McKinney, signing Flanigan, and drafting Winston, and Spencer is the Texans NOT trying to fix the problem?
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We drafted 2 O-lineman in the third round and got mike flanagan along with Mike Sherman and our passing oline is still going to be horrible? Writers need to do some research before they start predicting things.
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Yeah, adding an All Pro WR as your #2 never helps against defenses.
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They're all just crying because our FO made them look stupid when we didn't draft their "No way they don't draft" Bush. It's just another angle to rip our team. I just hope it is our team that rips through the NFL to a respectful record and shuts up all these know it alls.
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I am going to take the other side of this. It doesnt mean I believe it, I am just going to explain why someone may think our offense will be bad again.

If David Carr isnt a good QB, we should find out this year. I am personally 50-50 on if he will have a good season this year.

And yes adding two 3rd round offensive linemen is trying to upgrade. Something that should have been done 3 years ago. Generally speaking, 3rd round offensive linemen dont come in as starters and become good offensive linemen their first year. Hell, generally first rounders dont even do that. Generally there is a learning curve, and the hardest thing to adjust to is the speed of the pass rushers. It is unfair to expect much the first year out of 3rd rounders to begin with.

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But if you remember none of the experts had Winston as a third rounder he was "projected" mid to late first round or early second.So I think it is possible he steps right in.
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Generally speaking, 3rd round offensive linemen dont just in as starters and become good offensive linemen their first year. Generally there is a learning curve, and the hardest thing to adjust to is the speed of the pass rushers. It is unfair to expect much the first year out of 3rd rounders to begin with.
Good point.

This is a point I tried to make pre-draft a couple of times - draft euphoria can make fans think the picks are better players than they are. This is exacerbated by the fact that many pay more attention to the strengths part of a scouting report than to the weaknesses section.

A good example of this is projecting Spencer as a first year starter at LT as I've seen on other threads. I think that is highly unlikely, because his scouting report actually uses the word raw in its description. He is hardly NFL ready, no matter what his upside is.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...esspencer.html
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But if you remember none of the experts had Winston as a third rounder he was "projected" mid to late first round or early second.So I think it is possible he steps right in.
Unless the "experts" were wrong. Every team in the league passed on him in the first two rounds. Is that all about his knee, or did the experts have him rated too high?

He will be one of the players that will be interesting to watch during camp. Maybe we did get a steal.

As an aside, kudos to the draft team. A lot of people thought we should have taken him in the second round as you stated; the front office knew their stuff on that pick. It's almost like the fans got two first picks in the second round, if you know what I mean.
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Good point.

This is a point I tried to make pre-draft a couple of times - draft euphoria can make fans think the picks are better players than they are. This is exacerbated by the fact that many pay more attention to the strengths part of a scouting report than to the weaknesses section.

A good example of this is projecting Spencer as a first year starter at LT as I've seen on other threads. I think that is highly unlikely, because his scouting report actually uses the word raw in its description. He is hardly NFL ready, no matter what his upside is.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...esspencer.html
Exactly. It would not be very bright to start Spencer at LT considering he has only two years off and on at that position in his career. And his senior season wasnt all that great from what I understand. He was drafted based on his raw potential, and those type guys generally dont step in and start at the hardest offensive line position in the NFL.

Heck, one of his weaknesses is handling speed rushers. Could you imagine him matching up against dwight freeney?
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Exactly. It would not be very bright to start Spencer at LT considering he has only two years off and on at that position in his career. And his senior season wasnt all that great from what I understand. He was drafted based on his raw potential, and those type guys generally dont step in and start at the hardest offensive line position in the NFL.

Heck, one of his weaknesses is handling speed rushers. Could you imagine him matching up against dwight freeney?
Signing Flanagan was the key for the outside rush to get handled better.

IMO, the surge up the middle by defenders caused our whole line to suck in and help contain against David getting harassed from the middle...which then caused the outside edges to get tighter and thus make it easier for a defensive end to cut the corner faster to get to David.

Thus, we sign a tough-as-nails center who has been a rock for Favre...and I think things will become much simpler for our whole offensive line. Those guys were out of place under Capers, and now we're going to see a better line.

Flanagan was, IMO, the BEST offseason acquisition we've had...other than Kubiak himself.

I haven't been this jazzed about Texans football since the team took the field for the first time. We're going to round the corner, fellas.
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Unless the "experts" were wrong. Every team in the league passed on him in the first two rounds. Is that all about his knee, or did the experts have him rated too high?

He will be one of the players that will be interesting to watch during camp. Maybe we did get a steal.

As an aside, kudos to the draft team. A lot of people thought we should have taken him in the second round as you stated; the front office knew their stuff on that pick. It's almost like the fans got two first picks in the second round, if you know what I mean.
I would be embarassed to say how far I flung the draft paperwork I had on my lap when Winston was available @ 2nd pick & we selected a linebacker. I yelled, " What about the left tackle every one has been crying about for 3 years?" Demeco is a great pick, I just thought OT should have been addressed. I was bowing to the "draft team" a few minutes into the 3rd round. Proof positive that I should not give up my day job...
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Signing Flanagan was the key for the outside rush to get handled better.

IMO, the surge up the middle by defenders caused our whole line to suck in and help contain against David getting harassed from the middle...which then caused the outside edges to get tighter and thus make it easier for a defensive end to cut the corner faster to get to David.
I re-read some of this and I need to clarify something - I was agreeing with the point that counting on rookie 3rd round lineman to be effective starters is a reach.

However, I too believe that we have turned a corner and will be very much improved across the roster, including the o-line. Flanagan at center with decent guards next to him certainly helps the tackles.

I also believe that Wand is our starting LT from here on out, and that he will be a good one. I may have mentioned this on the board somewhere before.
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I would be embarassed to say how far I flung the draft paperwork I had on my lap when Winston was available @ 2nd pick & we selected a linebacker. I yelled, " What about the left tackle every one has been crying about for 3 years?" Demeco is a great pick, I just thought OT should have been addressed. I was bowing to the "draft team" a few minutes into the 3rd round. Proof positive that I should not give up my day job...
Don't be so hard on yourself.

I got to admit that it took a good set of stones for our draft team to gamble that Winston and/or Spencer would still be there after we picked Demeco.

That was big time game. BIG TIME. That's the kind of stuff that Casserly wouldn't do, he'd have pulled the trigger on Winston...and then we'd have reached for a LB that was nowhere near the talent level of a Demeco.
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Maybe it's just me, but I would be happy with 55 for 800 from Moulds this season.
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Maybe it's just me, but I would be happy with 55 for 800 from Moulds this season.
EXACTLY!

here's a link to a former Texans WR's stats http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306271

He gained an average of about 450-500 yds. per season with us, over a four-year span, and never had more than 50-something catches in a season.

So, yeah....I'll take 55 and 800. That's 300 more yards than you-know-who...a guy that was supposed to be the No. 2 WR for us, and we know what happened with that. What can Moulds do with an extra 300 yards a season? Prolly score an extra TD or two, eh?

It's open season for the media on the Texans already.
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EXACTLY!

here's a link to a former Texans WR's stats http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306271

He gained an average of about 450-500 yds. per season with us, over a four-year span, and never had more than 50-something catches in a season.

So, yeah....I'll take 55 and 800. That's 300 more yards than you-know-who...a guy that was supposed to be the No. 2 WR for us, and we know what happened with that. What can Moulds do with an extra 300 yards a season? Prolly score an extra TD or two, eh?

It's open season for the media on the Texans already.
Good point. I expect next year that we get 1200 yards out of AJ and imagine if Eric got 800. That's pretty good considering most teams don't have two recievers with over 1000 yards. I just can't wait to see AJ and Eric out on the field and how defenses react to there explosiveness.
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