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Old 04-28-2006   #1
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With hours away from signing Reggie Bush, I think it is a good time to analyze what the Fans should expect from Reggie Bush. As a running back, we should look into Denverís scheme last year to compute an expected output of performance expected by Reggie Bush. Last year Mike Anderson shared carries with Tatum Bell. Mike had 239 carries for 1014 yards and 12 TD. You people believe Reggie Bush is the best running back to come out in 30 years, the next Barry Sanders but better ( oh by the way Barry had a rookie season with 1470 yards 280 carries and 14 TDís). Given Reggie is the first pick selection, his expected 60 million dollar contract, as a fan I believe Reggie Bush should have 220 to 240 carries and 1400 to 1600 yards with at least 14 TDís on the ground. This is a feasible expectation if he is the number one pick, and if you people think he is the greatest of all time. Anything less then these numbers and Reggie Bush is a flop and a waste of the number one pick! It also shows that 100% of the media donít know crap, as well as those self-proclaimed draft guruís! With David Carr we can set the bar a bit higher than we have with Reggie since he too was a #1 over all plus he has had four years behind the belt. David Carr is a lot like Jake Plummer over the beginning of his career, except Jake Plummer has talent IMO and had better numbers over his first four but not by a very large margin. Plummer last year threw for 3336 with 18 TD and 7 INT. Given that number, plus the fact that the management feels Carr is going to be the guy, we should expect no less that 3500 to 3600 yard 21 TD and no more than 10 INT. With this said the Texans will be a top 5 team next year, and we will be in the playoffs. People say Reggie is a guaranteed success, a no brain #1, hey he better deliver. If he fails, I say Charley C. should take his BS some where else because Houston is sick of it. If this is the result next year, then we should comment the guys and hook up the GM with a pay raise.
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I expect good things. ESPN Draft Special is doing a "Two-a-Day" on the Texans.
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If the kid produces those numbers then we know we have something special. Next year has to be the one, no ands if's or but's about it. If they don't want to draft for the future, if they feel that this wil make us a winner, then next year better be a playoff year. If not we should ship Carr's dead beat butt to the gutter and send Charley C. butt right along with him.
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Given Reggie is the first pick selection, his expected 60 million dollar contract, as a fan I believe Reggie Bush should have 220 to 240 carries and 1400 to 1600 yards with at least 14 TDís on the ground. This is a feasible expectation if he is the number one pick, and if you people think he is the greatest of all time. Anything less then these numbers and Reggie Bush is a flop and a waste of the number one pick! It also shows that 100% of the media donít know crap, as well as those self-proclaimed draft guruís!
So if Young holds a clipboard all season long is he "a flop and a waste of a" 1st round pick? Evaluating a player after just one season is like judging a stock on a week's worth of data, you can easily lose doing that. Rick Mirer was OROTY his first year, but ended up being a bust.

What if Bush only rushes for 900 yards, but he catches 900 yards worth of passes and scores 15-20 TD's on the ground, through the air, and returning punts all combined? Is that a failure for a him this first season? What if his very presence causes teams to free up coverage on Moulds and AJ and they have big production? You cannot really measure Bush's impact in that area. Perhaps the best area to gauge his total impact is to see where the team falls in terms of total scoring (minus defensive but not special teams scores) compared to last year. After all, it seems as arbitrary as the numbers you threw up there.
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ESPN Draft Special is doing a "Two-a-Day" on the Texans.
I need more info on this........ need to go warm up the DVD-R.



LT had 1300 yards rushing, 350 recieving, 10TDs. I think that is a good place to start.

But...... we need to bump ole DD's trade value, so he's going to get the rock a little more often. I'm expecting DD to break of 1600 yards on the ground, and 200 recieving 14 TDs........ or something like that.

Reggie's going to go for 1000 yards, 500/600 recieving. 9 maybe 10 touchdowns. I don't really care what his numbers are going to be.... but if he gets hurt..... taken out of the game, or has to miss just one game......... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhweeeeeeeeeeee......... I's gone be some kinda mad.

David....... He's going to have a good year, I don't doubt that. I'm looking at High 3K passing....... AJ, Moulds, Mathis, Walther, Cook, DD, Reggie... I don't care about his INTs..... it's never been a problem before, I don't expect that to change. But if he takes a sack waiting for someone to get open I swear.... I'm gonna cry.
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I hope Kubiak doesn't run him into the ground until he's injured like Gruden did to Cadillac. Carr will be fine, despite the "gun shyness" he developed, I think last season the game "slowed down" for him.
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The Draft Special is on ESPN Right Now.
What???

don't they know we're at work!@!!!!!

Dag freaking nabbit......

I didn't know I had to take the day before the draft off.........


son of a ....... wait a minute

just the draft special, or the TeXans two-a-days??
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the next Barry Sanders but better ( oh by the way Barry had a rookie season with 1470 yards 280 carries and 14 TDís). Given Reggie is the first pick selection, his expected 60 million dollar contract, as a fan I believe Reggie Bush should have 220 to 240 carries and 1400 to 1600 yards with at least 14 TDís on the ground. This is a feasible expectation if he is the number one pick, and if you people think he is the greatest of all time. Anything less then these numbers and Reggie Bush is a flop and a waste of the number one pick!
More yards on less carries than Barry Sanders or he is a flop.


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What???

don't they know we're at work!@!!!!!

Dag freaking nabbit......

I didn't know I had to take the day before the draft off.........


son of a ....... wait a minute

just the draft special, or the TeXans two-a-days??
THe Texans Two-a-Day is ON the Draft Special. Don't worry though, they are replaying the special tonight at 7 or 8.
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The Two-a-Day is next!
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THe Texans Two-a-Day is ON the Draft Special. Don't worry though, they are replaying the special tonight at 7 or 8.
cool, 7 or 8 gotcha.
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No Reggie and Carr have to be better than good, if Charley say's they are going to have an impact this year, and we are paying those two M.F.'s 50% of the payroll, then those two better be pro-bowl bound next year. The problem is you people are to passive. I dont believe owners pay the huge salary to guys they feel wont come in and make the progression. Every Bush-homer on this message board says he is the next Barry, if that is the case then the guy better produce Barry numbers. Hey No excuses! No twisting the mindset once we sign the guy. No margin for error with Bush, if we wanted to bring in a guy and groom him for a year then we should have taken Young. You all say Bush is the guy, then he better produce huge numbers come year one. No Excuses! Barry didn't have a QB or a O-line, neither will Reggie, now is he going to be a flop, or is he the man. As far as Carr, his numbers are non negotiable in my eyes.
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.........those two M.F.'s 50%

Jeez dude........... calm down. Trust me, I'm upset too..... but this isn't helping.

Even if both Carr & Bush flop, get hurt, whatever..... it won't change anything.

whether we win 2 games or 19......... don't matter.......

Tell you what, I'll be at the draft party tomorrow, meet me there, and we'll go crack som Bush lover's heads.... that'll make you feel better.

Won't change nuth'n.....

might go to jail....

but if it'll make you feel better, I'm there for you.

Edit Scratch the cracking heads thing, I'll buy you a beer or two, as long as it's Bud.
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So if Young holds a clipboard all season long is he "a flop and a waste of a" 1st round pick? Evaluating a player after just one season is like judging a stock on a week's worth of data, you can easily lose doing that. Rick Mirer was OROTY his first year, but ended up being a bust.

What if Bush only rushes for 900 yards, but he catches 900 yards worth of passes and scores 15-20 TD's on the ground, through the air, and returning punts all combined? Is that a failure for a him this first season? What if his very presence causes teams to free up coverage on Moulds and AJ and they have big production? You cannot really measure Bush's impact in that area. Perhaps the best area to gauge his total impact is to see where the team falls in terms of total scoring (minus defensive but not special teams scores) compared to last year. After all, it seems as arbitrary as the numbers you threw up there.
#1 Everyone expect Young to hold the clipboard and learn.
#2 The reason we are chosing Bush is because he is suppose to make a impact this year.
#3 No 900 yards will not cut it, 1400-1600 no less. He is Barry Sanders, prove it. Recieving yards are a fathom of your imagination and will never happen. He will not return Kicks or Punts so throw that one out, oh and he was never very good at returns in college so scrath that one anyways.
#4 Every player in the league is measured by statistics, he can and will be measured by his numbers, to say he will not is the most stupid thing i have ever heard.
# Arbitrary numbers, WTF, dude you have issues over how bad you are on the Bush C&B's
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Every Bush-homer on this message board says he is the next Barry, if that is the case then the guy better produce Barry numbers. Hey No excuses! No twisting the mindset once we sign the guy. No margin for error with Bush, if we wanted to bring in a guy and groom him for a year then we should have taken Young. You all say Bush is the guy, then he better produce huge numbers come year one. No Excuses! Barry didn't have a QB or a O-line, neither will Reggie, now is he going to be a flop, or is he the man. As far as Carr, his numbers are non negotiable in my eyes.
In defense of the Bush-homers......

Back in the day, your schedule was built based on your previous season...... the worse teams get the easiest schedule, and it get's progressively harder.

Not the case anymore..... hence a team like Dallas had a fairly tough schedule even though they were below .500 the year before, and the Colts gets a cakewalk season, even though they'd been to the playoffs in consecutive years.


in 2006, we have the eight hardest schedule, out of 31 teams.
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I'm not upset, I am just laying out there, if people sit here every day and kiss Reggie Bush's butt, then it is time to start looking at the guy for what he is. If he is the next Barry then we are indeed lucky to get the guy, but If management says he is going to make this huge impact, the each and every fan better expect to see a 1500 yrd performance next year. If that is not realistic, then trade the pick, and stick with Domanick Davis. We know he can produce a thousand yards, and Bush-Homers ragg his butt all over the message board. Well now that the time has come it is time to put up or shut up.
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So if Young holds a clipboard all season long is he "a flop and a waste of a" 1st round pick? Evaluating a player after just one season is like judging a stock on a week's worth of data, you can easily lose doing that. Rick Mirer was OROTY his first year, but ended up being a bust.
Exactly! Most NFL people say a player will make a big jump from year one to year two. Since we already have DD, I'm not sure what to expect from Bush. What I do know is he gives us someone who is a threat to go all the way every time he touches the ball and that's what our offense needs. Let's wait and see how Kubes uses him before we get our expectations too high.
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In defense of the Bush-homers......

Back in the day, your schedule was built based on your previous season...... the worse teams get the easiest schedule, and it get's progressively harder.

Not the case anymore..... hence a team like Dallas had a fairly tough schedule even though they were below .500 the year before, and the Colts gets a cakewalk season, even though they'd been to the playoffs in consecutive years.


in 2006, we have the eight hardest schedule, out of 31 teams.
funny thing about that is, that with the parity in the NFL, at the start of the season, many schedules may APPEAR hard, but at years end you could look back and you could have easily had a cake schedule
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