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Old 04-27-2006   #1
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Default Drafting Mario Williams would be a mistake

He is a great physical specimen, no doubt about it. But he is not worth the number one pick by any means. He is very inconsistent at times, and lacks motivation for most games he played in college.

I think he has a much bigger bust factor than Bush. I used to consider him a sleeper going into this year's draft, maybe an early second round pick. He puts up some amazing combine numbers, and he is suddenly the number 1 player in the draft? Was there anyone who doesnt watch college football that did not expect these number to be put up? That is what I dont understand about the combine. Yeah, a few guys every year come in and surprise you with their numbers. But most of the players who put up spectacular numbers were expected to, if you watch any college football.

I like the guy alot, but his risk factor is much too high for a Defensive end to be the number one pick in my opinion. Especially considering the amount of money he will be guarenteed for that pick in the draft.

I believe if we draft him, we may set back the franchise another 3 years.

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i agree... Everyone is comparing him to Julius Peppers, but to me he doesn't compare at all to him...
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Does anyone remember a guy named Peppers playing for the Tar Heels Basketball team. Uh, I do. The sixth man. I could understand if he got time at Kent State, like Antonio Gates, but UNC gets the best Bball players on the planet. If your an athlete enough to go there and take some true Bballer's spot, your way to atheletic, hence a freak. Williams does not fall in this category. Reminds me on Jevon Kearse, and he hasn't done anything since his second year in the league, serviceable, but far from dominant anymore!
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The only problem I have with Mario, is that we'll have to move some people around, to make him fit... I don't know that 5 DEs is too much, but it's pretty darn close if you ask me. I like Babin to start, and Weaver.... so where would we put MW??
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The only problem I have with Weaver, is that we'll have to move some people around, to make him fit... I don't know that 5 DEs is too much, but it's pretty darn close if you ask me. I like Babin to start, and Weaver.... so where would we put MW??
If you want babin to start, then apparently you want neither a run stuffer or a pass rusher.
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i must admit id be ok with picking mario but i would be very wary- being held sackless in so many games v average opposition worries me. ive read his explanation/excuse but he definitely is a bigger risk than reggie imo
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If you want babin to start, then apparently you want neither a run stuffer or a pass rusher.
save that till next season-we've haven't seen what he can do as an every-down nfl de yet
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save that till next season-we've haven't seen what he can do as an every-down nfl de yet

I will put it this way, if I was a betting man, I would not hesitate in a 1000 dollar bet that babin will not be successful in any form as a defensive end.
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I think Mario Williams has been inconsistent and I'm in huge favor of drafting him b/c i think defense wins championships.

Of course that being said you're right he does have the ....is he going to be Julius Peppers or Andre Wadsworth up or down to him.

Its all a crap shoot imo but yes I'd say reggie has less of the bust factor than williams.

All that said I'd still draft him.
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Your right it would be a mistake...If we want to continue the losing trend!
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Actually, given the recent news on Bush, I'd say the bust factor is much higher with him then with Mario Williams.

Reggie put his luxury over the needs of this college, his coach, and his team mates. The Bush's rented a house from an agent and knew they were violating NCAA rules. Reggie knew it too. I say luxury because from the pictures I have seen of Reggie and his family, while they are not rich by any means, they are not desperately poor either. The Bush's could have easily held out for another year and done things the right way.

By doing this prior to declaring for the draft, USC could have been held responsible and lost the opportunity to play for the National Championship in the Rose Bowl. The game is vital to recruiting for the college and showcasing the talent of his team mates who would like to play professionally as well. Personally, I think the risk of a selfish player is much greater with Reggie Bush. There is another player in the NFL who is also selfish; he goes by the letters TO.

Mario Williams on the other hand, worked his way through high school at a Subway sandwich shop. I too, like many of us, worked my way through high school at fast food restaurant; its hard work. And hard work counts in my book. I say give Mario Williams a chance.
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Does anyone remember a guy named Peppers playing for the Tar Heels Basketball team. Uh, I do. The sixth man. I could understand if he got time at Kent State, like Antonio Gates, but UNC gets the best Bball players on the planet. If your an athlete enough to go there and take some true Bballer's spot, your way to atheletic, hence a freak. Williams does not fall in this category. Reminds me on Jevon Kearse, and he hasn't done anything since his second year in the league, serviceable, but far from dominant anymore!
I get it: Mario didn't play basketball, thus he isn't the athlete that Peppers is.

I wonder if his measurables (you know, the things that "measure" athleticism) being fully superior to Peppers has anything to do with being representative of his athleticism?

You are free to ask questions of the guy but athleticism is, IMO, the worst possible reach you could come up with for finding knocks against the guy. His superior athleticism is the one thing about him which is most certain and readily documented.
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Reggie put his luxury over the needs of this college, his coach, and his team mates. .

I don't think he did any of that, If I were him I probably would have done the same thing...He took care of his family...whats wrong with that?
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Mario is more of a Bruce Smith type pick or Reggie White than Julius Peppers. The guy is faster, stronger, more agile, and larger. Compare Mario to Bruce Smith and then think about his bust factor. The same way you compare Bush to HOFer Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders. Both of these guys if they come in and work hard should be solid if not great NFL players. They both have great intangibles and hopefully we do go Mario.
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The guy probably came up to the Bush family and said.."Hey, I have a house you can rent nearer the campus and that is nicer and cheaper than the one you hvae now."
No one bought him or his family a house. They still collected rent. I think that this is all being blown completely out of proportion.
Now, as for the new QB being called on rape charges...
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Mario is more of a Bruce Smith type pick or Reggie White than Julius Peppers. The guy is faster, stronger, more agile, and larger. Compare Mario to Bruce Smith and then think about his bust factor. The same way you compare Bush to HOFer Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders. Both of these guys if they come in and work hard should be solid if not great NFL players. They both have great intangibles and hopefully we do go Mario.
No how about we compare neither of these guys to anybody and just go for what we know and what we've seen from them thus far...And i think reggie would win that argument by a landslide...
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I don't think he did any of that, If I were him I probably would have done the same thing...He took care of his family...whats wrong with that?
I don't disagree in the fact that family comes first. In this case, its my opinion that his family was not in any danger, did not need to be taken of, or in such dire straits that they could not follow the rules. I'm pretty sure that the Bush family was not living on the streets or in a homeless shelter. What harm would have come to the Bush's if they had followed the rules and not jeopardized Reggie’s career?

For instance, what if the Bush family had gotten caught at the beginning of the season? I suspect USC would have been investigated and Reggie would have been suspended. The suspension and turmoil created by the investigation could have jeopardized USC's season and cost them a bowl bid. Seems like the Bush's took on allot of risk for USC with little to no forethought about the consequences. Again, it shows a player who does not consider the effects of the team at all.
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I don't think Williams will be a bust, any more than I think Bush or Young will be busts. All three of these guys are easily top 10 players, if not top 5.

Williams' sack total must be kept in perspective. The defense they ran had him playing the run and out in the flats a good part of the time, and he had to develop techniques to get around the cut blocking that was being thrown at him. By the second half of the season, he really started to get in stride and make impacts on the game.
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Actually, given the recent news on Bush, I'd say the bust factor is much higher with him then with Mario Williams.

Reggie put his luxury over the needs of this college, his coach, and his team mates.
Let's say your opinion is the truth. How does this increase his bust potential?
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This take is from Len Pasquarelli:

Scouts love all the "measurables" with Williams and keep comparing him to Julius Peppers. Heck, I know one team that thinks he might be the second coming of Richard Seymour. But when you watch him on tape, you don't see consistent production. I went back and checked yesterday on some stats. Williams played in 36 games in college, yet had sacks in just 16 of those games. Of his 25 1/2 career sacks, 13 came in four games. In 2005, he had 14 1/2 sacks, but had three against Wake Forest, three against southern miss and four against Maryland. In 2004, he had six sacks, but three of those were against Florida State. As for the Texans' flirtation with him. Part of it definitely is a negotiating ploy. From a football standpoint, it's a split house in Houston, where some coaches are pushing hard for Williams and some scouts wonder if he's the real deal. Could they take him first? Yeah, I think so, even though I think it would be a mistake. The Texans are starting to get a little antsy, we hear, over some of the Bush stuff.
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