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Old 04-27-2006   #1
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
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Trading back isn't very easy to do, especially with guys like Williams, Young, Leinart, Ferguson, etc sitting there after we pick. Why trade up when you still have great talent to pick from?

We're not the only team that wants our 1st day picks, ya know.
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
C'mon, Nighthawk. The entertainment quality of Draft Weekend should not be a factor in who the Texans select.

I can't believe you think that Reggie Bush will make the Texans a dull team. I've heard a lot of knocks on RB but "dull"? That's a first.

Nothing's ever perfect in this world. If it was we'd find a way to get Bush AND Michael Huff. Huff's the surest thing in this draft.
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
Could I ask why you prefer Mario over Bush? Mario dissapeared in half of NC State's games this year, and wasn't even voted the best defensive player on his team. I think his bust factor is much higher than RB's. I could understand the argument for Vince (if we hadn't extended Carr) but I just don't get the infatuation with Mario. His measurables are great, but if you've seen him play he'll be dominant at times and totally dissapear at other times. If you compare bodies of work in their college career there's no way you can tell me Mario looked like more of a sure thing than Bush.
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I have to agree with what you say about Mario...I knew who the guy was all season (after seeing his off the chart ratings in NCAA '06) but I was never 'wowed' until they pulled out all the tape measures and stopwatches.

In comparison, Julius Peppers at UNC got my attention on the field and there's no way I could have seen more than two full UNC games. But between that and seeing him run the court for the hoops team, I knew that guy was gonna be a monster. Mario looks like one, but that's about all I can say...
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
Nighthawk for the first time I kind of agree with you, and hold out there buddy, there is all kinds of hope for Mario yet. As far as trading the #1 I doubt it but that is always still possible ...
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
Dude - trading down is a GREAT option if you can get a deal worth it. But NO ONE is offering anything close to market value. You don't trade down just to trade down, you trade down to get more in value than what you give up.

D'Brick and a 3rd rounder is not worth Reggie Bush.

Reggie is the right choice. Whether we win a Super Bowl or not will not depend on this pick - it depends on all the other picks in 2006-2008. If we screw those up, nothing will get us to the SB.
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Seriously, I see Mario Williams as this year's Gerrard Warren.
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
First remember that Casserly has stated many times that he called people to trade with and received no buyers and it wasn't the only call he has made with those teams. The first round class is pretty deep and everyone seems to want to stay where they are at or not trade with us. Again I feel the Brees deal with N.O. messed all that up.

Second, remember that both Williams and Bush can agree to deals right now and at that point it is going to be decision time so you may still get your wish. Hearing how much Casserly feels about that guy, I am not so sure if I get mad if they pick him over Bush. Just know we are going to get a real good player on our team that is going to turn things around for our franchise.
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There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
Sorry I thought the team was supposed to entertain on Sundays when they are playing?? They entertain by winning games, not by having wacky drafts.

If you want to be entertained on Saturday, go to the movies, read a book, or just sit back and enjoy the drama of the draft without your eyepatch on.
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Who are we going to trade down with?

Ourselves?
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We could give ourselves the #1 pick in the draft for Phillip Buchannon.
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How can we not get a reasonable deal for the best prospect in the last 20 years? Your choices

A) Reggie Bush is a very good prospect but not the best since Elway like ESPN wants to shove down our throat.

B) Casserly is a moron

C) all of the above
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I would have preferred to trade down and grab some extra picks, but it takes two teams to make a trade. I wouldn't want to fall past the 6th or 7th spot, and all those teams know they can stay where they are and get a great player.
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Dude - trading down is a GREAT option if you can get a deal worth it. But NO ONE is offering anything close to market value. You don't trade down just to trade down, you trade down to get more in value than what you give up.

D'Brick and a 3rd rounder is not worth Reggie Bush.

Reggie is the right choice. Whether we win a Super Bowl or not will not depend on this pick - it depends on all the other picks in 2006-2008. If we screw those up, nothing will get us to the SB.
In this draft we have to be realistic. The "market value" of the pick is NOT 3000 points on some idealized Draft Value Chart, it's what we can get for the pick. All I really want out of the pick is three picks in teh first two rounds, with the uppermost pick not lower than 10-15 (obviously, the higher the better).

I think that's the best way to improve our team dramatically and really give us a realistic chance to get to 8 and 8 next year, or maybe, in a dare-to-dream world, even a winning season.
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but no, the brain truss (sic) at the Texans can't get that done. And so we take an overpriced running back who will be successful in the league but won't really light up the sky. Plus we get hours of drivel on the television Saturday while other teams select and select and select. Fun for all.

I hate to sound negative, but . . . I sound negative. I feel negative. I would have preferred Mario, I would have preferred a trade with a couple of extra picks late in the first and in the second. OK, it's all for my amusement, some reason to watch the Ponderosa saturday. Now, after 11am, it's wait 8 hours for the 2nd Texans pick.

There are a lot of ways to be a dull team and the Texans, well . . . I'm just sayin'.
For once we agree, but I have far from given up hope on Mario yet, in fact I think things really are turning in his favor.
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There's apparently more negative stuff coming on the Bush & family house & so on fiasco, but I don't know what effect that will (or should) have on our draft. I do think there are probably trades out there to be had, but we're going to have to take 75 cents on the dollar to get them. I don't see how likely that is. A lot of people point out that Mario is great on the measurables, but less great on the field. This worries. I'd go to Oakland and start talking. There's apparently some QB confusion and it is now rumored that the Titans actually want ML, and that Oakland wants ML and that the Jets have some interest. All this together with a reasonable and pliable negotiation could land the Texans a trade out of #1 (though I admit it seems a little late; I don't know how fast these people can move when they are really motivated).
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