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Old 04-24-2006   #1
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Just like the title says. Why not take Vernon Davis (if we can trade down) over Reggie Bush. Davis has 53 lbs and 4" on Bush and is a freak also. He would cause big time mismatches. My argument is if the Texans are concerned at all about Bush not being a between the tackles type of runner then Davis should be considered. When comparing the 2 as receivers I think Davis wins hands down. Davis is a workout warrior like Bush but in a bigger package and he can block and play more downs than Bush.

Let me say that I will be very happy with Bush if he is chosen and I do not want it to turn into a Bush bashing thread. I like Williams, D'Brick, Young and Hawk also so I know I will be happy on draft day with whoever the Texans choose. Anyway, how about posting some thoughts on this. I do realize that if the Texans stay at #1 they will not draft Davis.








Some excerpts from nfl draft scout

Name: *Vernon Davis
College: Maryland Number: 18
Height: 6-3 Weight: 254
Position: TE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2006
40 Time: 4.38
Projected Round: 1 Stock:
Rated number 1 out of 83 TE's 7 / 1734 TOTAL

Career Notes


An Iron Terp performer (top weight room award), Davis holds the school strength records for a tight end in bench (460), power clean (355), vertical jump (40 inches), index (797), squat (685) and 40-yard dash time (4.41), based on recordings in the spring of 2005...Has lined up at H-Back, tight end, fullback and flanker for Maryland...In 2005, he earned consensus All-American honors, including from the Associated Press, becoming the first Maryland offensive player since 1955 (center Bob Pellegrini) to be named to AP's first team...Ranks thirteenth in school history with 93 receptions...His 1,371 yards receiving rank eleventh in Maryland annals...His nine touchdown catches rank tied for ninth on the school's all-time record list.


Positives: Davis is not only built for speed, but also possesses a very impressive power base (460-pound bench press, 685-pound squat, 4.41 40-yard dash in on-campus workouts)...Has good overall muscle development, long arms, good bubble, soft, natural hands and excellent leaping ability for this position...Shows suddenness off the line of scrimmage and the ability to gain advantage on a defender...His burst off the line and strong hand usage allow him to quickly defeat the jam...Has outstanding quickness to elude and run up the seam on deep routes...Gets in and out of his breaks quickly and has the body control to break down and make the quick, sudden cuts...Gets into the open with a quick stride and can find the ball and make the catch with defenders draped on him...Has the vision to work back to the quarterback and the soft hands to extend and pluck outside the body's frame...Shows outstanding toughness extending for the pass and will not hesitate to combat for jump balls...Does a very good job of tracking the ball over his shoulders, getting his head turned around to maintain relationship on the pass in flight...His ball adjustment skills and body control let him get to off-target passes, utilizing his excellent flexibility to make the acrobatic grabs...Gets a strong surge off the line of scrimmage, generating good pop and hand extension when making contact blocking in-line...Has the ability to climb into the second level and make the cut-off blocks...Always looking for moving targets to attack.





Name: *Reggie Bush
College: Southern Cal Number: 5
Height: 5-11 Weight: 201
Position: RB Pos2: KR
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2006
40 Time: 4.38
Projected Round: 1 Stock:
Rated number 1 out of 116 RB's 1 / 1734 TOTAL




Positives: Has good body lean, running at a low pad level...Explosive runner who gets to top speed almost instantly and attacks the holes with no hesitation...Has rare instincts and excellent field vision, seeing holes and cutback lanes naturally...Generates deceptive leg thrusts to break tackles and has above average balance...Runs hard when near contact and will generally fall forward...Has a sudden burst up the seam or when bouncing to the outside...Shifts gears quickly and excels at pulling away from the defenders...Has that rare quickness to slide and that multiple hip wiggle to make the initial tackler miss... Carries the ball well in either hand and does a good job of securing it when running through traffic...Shows solid route running ability, especially on flares and screens, but also excels at eating up the cushion and getting behind defenders on deep routes...Very dependable receiver and returner with the natural hands to extend and field the ball away from his frame...Has the field vision and burst to take the ball long distances on punt and kickoff returns, but also is patient enough to let his blocks develop.

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While Davis is a freak as well and will create matchup problems, a TE that will hopefully get 5 cathes a game is much less important than a RB that will get 15-18 carries and 4-5 catches a game. RBs are far more important to an offense's overall efficiency than a TE. I like Vernon Davis a lot, I would definitely like him on our team, he is one of several rookies that I'll definitely be trading for on Madden 07 if I buy the game, but you need more of an impact player than a TE, and I'm not sure how much of an immediate impact he'll make, I think he needs to refine his game and be put in the right situation to utilize his talents, but he certainly does have a lot of potential.
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One thing I'm surprised about that has never been mentioned by any of the pundits (Kiper and crew) is that although Davis posted an outlandish 40 time, he was at the bottom of the TE group for the shuttle and cone drills at the combine. Apparently he is quick enough, but I just found it odd.

Anyway, Putzier can get the TE receiving done, he's as good a blocker as Davis and a capable pass catcher...
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One thing I'm surprised about that has never been mentioned by any of the pundits (Kiper and crew) is that although Davis posted an outlandish 40 time, he was at the bottom of the TE group for the shuttle and cone drills at the combine. Apparently he is quick enough, but I just found it odd.

Anyway, Putzier can get the TE receiving done, he's as good a blocker as Davis and a capable pass catcher...
Davis was 1st among TEs in all of the first four measured drills they did, from what I've heard it appears he slacked off a little on those last two since he had already made his statement. Not sure I like that as an excuse or not, but that was an explanation I've heard offered for it.
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because davis is an average tight end. most of his success came as either an H-back or split out as receiver. he has good hands but is pretty poor when the ball is in the air. he gets roughed up at the line. he's not going to have the amazing rookie season everyone predicts, especially with alex smith chucking the ball 15 yards down the field at best.
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because davis is an average tight end. most of his success came as either an H-back or split out as receiver. he has good hands but is pretty poor when the ball is in the air. he gets roughed up at the line. he's not going to have the amazing rookie season everyone predicts, especially with alex smith chucking the ball 15 yards down the field at best.

If your "scouting report" of Vernon Davis is true then no way Davis goes top 10 or even 1st round.
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If your "scouting report" of Vernon Davis is true then no way Davis goes top 10 or even 1st round.
he ran a 4.3 40 so he's a top 10 pick.
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I'm all for trading down and grabbing additional picks. If we did trade down and V. Davis was the highest rated player we had on the board at that time, I'd say grab him.
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Just like the title says. Why not take Vernon Davis (if we can trade down) over Reggie Bush. Davis has 53 lbs and 4" on Bush and is a freak also. He would cause big time mismatches. My argument is if the Texans are concerned at all about Bush not being a between the tackles type of runner then Davis should be considered. When comparing the 2 as receivers I think Davis wins hands down. Davis is a workout warrior like Bush but in a bigger package and he can block and play more downs than Bush.
I'd buy this in a NY minute.
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We could do that for Reggie Bush also one name...Domanick Davis
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We could do that for Reggie Bush also one name...Domanick Davis
Many people have said that already.

Davis is a TE, I have trouble drafting a tight end in the Top 10, which is where I see us being even if we traded down. Its just not that important a position in the big scheme of things. Another thing is that we are going to be a run orientated team and VD isn't going to be a huge asset with 4.3 speed if he is doubling down on a DE.
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