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Old 04-22-2006   #1
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Why do people on this board and even some TV people keep saying Bush will be a 10-15 touch player? It's actually one of the more stupid things I've heard.

Lets say Bush carries the ball for the first 3 plays of the game. After that, for the next 3 qtrs and 13 minutes, he basically gets at most 12 more touches? So we'll allow for 2 more carries in the next 13 minutes of qtr #1 which takes him to 10 carries or touches left after quarter #1. That's roughly 3 more touches per qtr for the rest of the game? That's about 1 touch per every 5-6 minutes.

IMO - Bush will be carrying the ball 17-22 times a game and get thrown to 4-5 times a game.

Portis - 22 carries per game
Tiki - 22
Edge - 24
Dunn - 17
Cadillac - 20
Thomas Jones - 20
Domanick Davis - 20
LT - 21
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Basically, all I'm saying is yes, in college he was used a certain way...as was everyone who goes to college. If a 33 year old Anderson can get 17 carries and Tatum bell can get 11 then Reggie Bush can get 17-20. Good Lord - we were on the edge of our seat every time someone kicked off to us - I can't even imagine what it will be like on a pitch sweep.
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Why do people on this board and even some TV people keep saying Bush will be a 10-15 touch player? It's actually one of the more stupid things I've heard.

Lets say Bush carries the ball for the first 3 plays of the game. After that, for the next 3 qtrs and 13 minutes, he basically gets at most 12 more touches? So we'll allow for 2 more carries in the next 13 minutes of qtr #1 which takes him to 10 carries or touches left after quarter #1. That's roughly 3 more touches per qtr for the rest of the game? That's about 1 touch per every 5-6 minutes.

IMO - Bush will be carrying the ball 17-22 times a game and get thrown to 4-5 times a game.

Portis - 22 carries per game
Tiki - 22
Edge - 24
Dunn - 17
Cadillac - 20
Thomas Jones - 20
Domanick Davis - 20
LT - 21
Etc...

Basically, all I'm saying is yes, in college he was used a certain way...as was everyone who goes to college. If a 33 year old Anderson can get 17 carries and Tatum bell can get 11 then Reggie Bush can get 17-20. Good Lord - we were on the edge of our seat every time someone kicked off to us - I can't even imagine what it will be like on a pitch sweep.
the difference being that he will be splitting time with DD, so your 17-20 split between 2 people is 10-14.
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So a team only rushes 20 times a game? 10 for Reggie and 10 for DD?


20 for RB and 10 for DD similar to Denver's 17 and 12 for Anderson and Bell.
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why is reggie taking the bulk of the carries in your world? DD is more the workhorse of the 2
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I have no problem with DD taking close to half of the carries if Bush is an effective slot guy. I don't think it is a knock at all - it should keep both of them fresher and healthier and Bush can still be involved in the play.
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as long as Bush is on the field over 50% of the time, he will still create a ton of match up problems, even if he is just a smokescreen.
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why is reggie taking the bulk of the carries in your world? DD is more the workhorse of the 2
Because he's a better player in the real world.
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17-20 touches a game. 12-15 carries and 5 receptions for Reggie Bush. That's how I'd like to see him utilized in our offense his rookie year.
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Because he's a better player in the real world.
I just love how a player that has never stepped foot on the field of play during a real NFL game is automatically better than someone that's done it for 3 years. And, quite successfully I must say.
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I just love how a player that has never stepped foot on the field of play during a real NFL game is automatically better than someone that's done it for 3 years. And, quite successfully I must say.
Who are you talking about...Vince Young?
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First things first, he's gotta earn those 10-15 touches. Unlike the lasrt 2 NCAA Championship Games.
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I just love how a player that has never stepped foot on the field of play during a real NFL game is automatically better than someone that's done it for 3 years. And, quite successfully I must say.
So are you of the opinion that no player any team ever drafts should be projected as a starter, because the incumbent has already proved he's better? Great! In case you are right we should trade every single one of our draft picks for NFL veterans. Each and every trade would be an upgrade!!!! I can't believe no one has thought of this before! By the way, you better change you signature line - D'Brickashaw shouldn't be expected to be an upgrade on any lineman we have, following your logic.

I think it is more likely that you only use comments like this to defend players you like or attack players you don't.

However, if you just mean your opinion differs from my opinion, I understand that.
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I just love how a player that has never stepped foot on the field of play during a real NFL game is automatically better than someone that's done it for 3 years. And, quite successfully I must say.

Agreed. We hear he can pass protect. We hear he can wham it up between the tackles. We'll see. My book says 201 is still 201. He's a great tallent , no doubt.
Won't knock the pick if we take him. He could just a easily bust as make it. What I find kinda funny is all the people that want to keep him on the sidelines
durring special teams. Good Grief, the guy is supposed to be unstopable in the open feild. Already we're spoon feeding prince Reggie befor he hits the feild. Gonna take a crow bar to pull the hook out of some folks if he busts. I'll have my crow with a grain of salt thank you very much. And I'll take my hype with a shadow of doubt.
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Because he's a better player in the real world.
Hey Davis is like an 87 on Madden. Bush is rumored to be an 85. That's got to count for something.
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Agreed. We hear he can pass protect. We hear he can wham it up between the tackles. We'll see. My book says 201 is still 201. He's a great tallent , no doubt.
Won't knock the pick if we take him. He could just a easily bust as make it. What I find kinda funny is all the people that want to keep him on the sidelines
durring special teams. Good Grief, the guy is supposed to be unstopable in the open feild. Already we're spoon feeding prince Reggie befor he hits the feild. Gonna take a crow bar to pull the hook out of some folks if he busts. I'll have my crow with a grain of salt thank you very much. And I'll take my hype with a shadow of doubt.
Special teams is becoming more and more important to the game..... teams are looking at special teams alot differently.

But dude will take a lick returning kicks.... imagine.... first kickoff of 2006....... Reggie Bush catches the ball, and proceeds to return it. He gets 10 yards down field, and wham.... someone takes his head off. Or worse yet, takes a knee out.....

Reggie is out for the season, while he recovers from a torn interior ACL......

First of all, you should feel pretty stupid when this happens.... secondly, if you don't, there will be plenty of people to help you feel as stupid as humanly possible...... Thirdly..... as soon as you think people have forgotten your stupidity, ESPN will air a replay, 60 minutes will do a show, and Jay Leno will tell a joke to remind everyone.
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Already we're spoon feeding prince Reggie befor he hits the feild.
Who's we? The board? The only semi-official thing I've heard on this subject is that Bush said the Texans staff talked to him about playing on offense, punts, and kick-offs.

It looks like we're counting it as a knock against Bush that posters on this board say he'll never be used on special teams.
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17-20 touches a game. 12-15 carries and 5 receptions for Reggie Bush. That's how I'd like to see him utilized in our offense his rookie year.
5 looks or 5 receptions? Since we have a hard enough time getting AJ the ball 5 times successfully...not to mention we have Moulds on the opposite side now too. Of course that was also Capersball, so maybe that should be taken a little more into account.
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Because he's a better player in the real world.
You can't say that for sure until he plays in the nfl.
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So are you of the opinion that no player any team ever drafts should be projected as a starter, because the incumbent has already proved he's better? Great! In case you are right we should trade every single one of our draft picks for NFL veterans. Each and every trade would be an upgrade!!!! I can't believe no one has thought of this before! By the way, you better change you signature line - D'Brickashaw shouldn't be expected to be an upgrade on any lineman we have, following your logic.

I think it is more likely that you only use comments like this to defend players you like or attack players you don't.

However, if you just mean your opinion differs from my opinion, I understand that.
It's only because the mods would delete the post, that keeps me from telling you what I really think about your sarcastic response.

So, in the interest of civility, no, that's not my opinion. You, being overly sensitive to any criticism of your beloved Reggie Bush, are mistaken.

I, being a proponent of trading down to pick up more picks, spend less money on our #1 pick, & filling a greater need for the team, was merely trying to point out the distorted view that you are getting through your rose colored glasses.

By the way, get ready to have your Bush lovin' heart broken, because the Texan's are not going to have him on the roster next year. It's going to be either, Mario, D'Brick, Hawk, Huff, or Davis. Get used to it.
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So are you of the opinion that no player any team ever drafts should be projected as a starter, because the incumbent has already proved he's better? Great! In case you are right we should trade every single one of our draft picks for NFL veterans. Each and every trade would be an upgrade!!!! I can't believe no one has thought of this before! By the way, you better change you signature line - D'Brickashaw shouldn't be expected to be an upgrade on any lineman we have, following your logic.

I think it is more likely that you only use comments like this to defend players you like or attack players you don't.

However, if you just mean your opinion differs from my opinion, I understand that.
Runner, you usually make sense but not on this one. You know the draft is a crap shoot. Nobody is a sure thing. Even signing veterans can be hit and miss. The Texans have had their share of both.
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