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Old 04-21-2006   #1
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Default Forget about it! (possible draft trade with Jets)

No Bush for us. This makes total sense. If you look at NYC, they are in competition with the Giants City prestige! The Jets would love to make this deal and make Reggie the face of their franchise. Chad Pennington will not be around to much longer and they will need someone to keep pace with Manning and the Giants! Read the story!



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Insider story, not everyone can read. You can give specific quotes, but don't copy and paste the whole story. Something about copyright infringment.
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the link you posted is not to an article about the jets,bush,or the giants. You might want to double check that.

i look foreward to reading the article you were taking about though
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one of the worst things i've ever read. todd mcshay is consistently a laughingstock. the stuff on al davis is hysterical.

anyway, here's the bush/jets thing:

The only thing standing in the way of Bush heading to Houston is a potential trade between the Texans and Jets. Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York. Referring back to the Trade Value Chart, such a deal for the first overall pick (worth 3,000 points) would cost Jets something similar to the following:

• Pick No. 4 (1,800)
• Pick No. 29 (640)
• Pick No. 35 (550)
• Pick No. 103 (88)

As it stands right now, the Jets own seven of the draft's first 117 selections, giving them the ammunition to make this kind of blockbuster move. If they made the deal with the Texans for Bush, the Jets would be left with three of those picks (71, 97, 117) in the first four rounds.
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Here's an excerpt of the article linked above that concerns a possible Texans/Jets draft deal:

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The Texans' interest in Williams is sincere, but only if they strike a deal to trade down. All the other talk can be chalked up to predraft smoke screens. This type of nonsense takes place annually. Just as the 49ers used WR Braylon Edwards (Browns) and DC Antrel Rolle (Cardinals) to get a better deal for QB Alex Smith, the Texans are using Williams to establish more leverage before sitting down with Segal to hash out a predraft deal with Bush.


General manager Charlie Casserly must assess Bush's value as compared to those four picks, which could land his team a quartet of prospects similar to the following:

• Pick No. 4: Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson
• Pick No. 29: Ohio State DC Ashton Youboty
• Pick No. 35: Penn State DE Tamba Hali
• Pick No. 103: Virginia Tech OLB James Anderson
First, how did the Niners "use" Braylon Edwards and Antrel Rolle? Alex Smith got $24 million in guaranteed money. If anyone was used, it was the Niners.

Second, the same article hints at a Saints/Raiders deal, where Oakland moves to #2 and selects Vince Young. If both the HOU/NYJ & NO/OAK deals go through, wouldn't the top 3 picks go like this:

1) Jets - Bush
2) Raiders - Young
3) Titans - Leinart or Cutler
4) Texans - ???

McShay has the Texans going with Ferguson. But wouldn't it be more likely that the Texans draft Mario Williams?
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one of the worst things i've ever read. todd mcshay is consistently a laughingstock. the stuff on al davis is hysterical.

anyway, here's the bush/jets thing:

The only thing standing in the way of Bush heading to Houston is a potential trade between the Texans and Jets. Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York. Referring back to the Trade Value Chart, such a deal for the first overall pick (worth 3,000 points) would cost Jets something similar to the following:

• Pick No. 4 (1,800)
• Pick No. 29 (640)
• Pick No. 35 (550)
• Pick No. 103 (88)

As it stands right now, the Jets own seven of the draft's first 117 selections, giving them the ammunition to make this kind of blockbuster move. If they made the deal with the Texans for Bush, the Jets would be left with three of those picks (71, 97, 117) in the first four rounds.
I think they will have to give up pick #71 (235) to us instead of 103 to move. If Bush is as special as most think he is then his value is above the chart. The chart is only a guide. Total value 3225.
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McShay has the Texans going with Ferguson. But wouldn't it be more likely that the Texans draft Mario Williams?
I think that McShay is just as bored as we are & simply looking for something to write about, but thats just me...
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i think the trade should only go through if we get #4, #29, #35 and their 1st round pick next year. yes i know that is ripping them off big time, but if they want reggie that bad, then they are going to have to sacrifice that. otherwise, reggie can be ours.

im not passing on reggie unless im ripping some team off. im not gonna go by the chart and make some "fair" trade.
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i think the trade should only go through if we get #4, #29, #35 and their 1st round pick next year. yes i know that is ripping them off big time, but if they want reggie that bad, then they are going to have to sacrifice that. otherwise, reggie can be ours.

im not passing on reggie unless im ripping some team off. im not gonna go by the chart and make some "fair" trade.
That is how I feel about it. I dont want to trade just because "it was the best offer we could get."
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With this draft, the chart goes out the window. If the Jets want Bush we should get at a minimum both firsts, this years second, and next years first.
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With this draft, the chart goes out the window. If the Jets want Bush we should get at a minimum both firsts, this years second, and next years first.
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I would do it if the Jets packaged all 4 of those picks. I like Reggie alot but that is close to a Ditka deal since we have the 1st pick of the second round and the top 2 of the 3rd round, giving us a total of 8 picks in the first 4 rounds. I could go for:
#4 Mario Williams, D'Brick or AJ Hawk
#29 Eric Winston (OT) or Johnathan Joseph (CB)
#33 Bobby Carpenter (LB) or Nick Mangold (backup/future starter @ interior lineman)
#35 Sinorice Moss (WR) or Cedric Griffin (CB)
#65 Jeremy Trueblood (OT)
#66 Joel Klopfenstein (TE) or Omar Jacobs/Kellen Clemens (QB)
#98 BPA
#103 BPA
I might be off but this was off of the top of my head as far as picks go. Have at it....
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Like someone said I would ask for a whole lot for any team to get the no.1 spot. If it were any other year we couldn't get away with it, but this year is an exception because of Reggie Bush. He's a once in a lifetime type of player and if someone wants him they'd have to give up pretty much all of their top picks for this year and maybe one or two from next year. I doubt the Jets will do something like that for one player, but if they want to then feel free to call the Texans front office.
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If something like this trade did go down....it would be hard to say that there wouldn't be just as much excitement created....and tickets sold with that potential group of players coming in. In other words....McNair would be sold.
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you know this is all smoke screens and depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on. here is an example of a contradicting report per ESPN...

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Despite talk about the Jets possibly trying to move up from their current No. 4 slot in the first round, the team doesn't appear to have any such designs, no matter what transpires ahead of them, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports.
The team's new football operation, headed by general manager Mike Tannenbaum and coach Eric Mangini, has determined the price of doing business to move up even a slot or two is simply prohibitive. Plus the Jets feel that, no matter how the first three choices play out, they will get an excellent pick at No. 4.
Furthermore, don't bet on that choice being a quarterback, no matter which of the "Big Three" passers is still on the board. The Jets' brass has done an extensive study of quarterbacks taken in the top five and found the failure rate to be fairly alarming. Some player like D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Mario Williams, Vernon Davis or A.J. Hawk is going to fall into New York's lap.
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well...think of it this way. there are many conflicting reports....but we might as well talk about all of them....cause odds are....one of them is true....or at least a lot closer than the others.
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one of the worst things i've ever read. todd mcshay is consistently a laughingstock. the stuff on al davis is hysterical.

anyway, here's the bush/jets thing:

The only thing standing in the way of Bush heading to Houston is a potential trade between the Texans and Jets. Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York. Referring back to the Trade Value Chart, such a deal for the first overall pick (worth 3,000 points) would cost Jets something similar to the following:

• Pick No. 4 (1,800)
• Pick No. 29 (640)
• Pick No. 35 (550)
• Pick No. 103 (88)

As it stands right now, the Jets own seven of the draft's first 117 selections, giving them the ammunition to make this kind of blockbuster move. If they made the deal with the Texans for Bush, the Jets would be left with three of those picks (71, 97, 117) in the first four rounds.
But as far as I knew they wanted to keep their picks because they have more holes to fill then just running back, but hey it doesnt matter to me....More picks for the Texans alright, take dbrick.
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I would do it if the Jets packaged all 4 of those picks. I like Reggie alot but that is close to a Ditka deal since we have the 1st pick of the second round and the top 2 of the 3rd round, giving us a total of 8 picks in the first 4 rounds. I could go for:
#4 Mario Williams, D'Brick or AJ Hawk
#29 Eric Winston (OT) or Johnathan Joseph (CB)
#33 Bobby Carpenter (LB) or Nick Mangold (backup/future starter @ interior lineman)
#35 Sinorice Moss (WR) or Cedric Griffin (CB)
#65 Jeremy Trueblood (OT)
#66 Joel Klopfenstein (TE) or Omar Jacobs/Kellen Clemens (QB)
#98 BPA
#103 BPA
I might be off but this was off of the top of my head as far as picks go. Have at it....

If this trade goes down I say we take Omar Jacobs at #66 o yea go Bowling Green.
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you know this is all smoke screens and depends on what side of the fence you are sitting on. here is an example of a contradicting report per ESPN...
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1) Jets - Bush
2) Raiders - Young
3) Titans - Leinart or Cutler
4) Texans - ???

McShay has the Texans going with Ferguson. But wouldn't it be more likely that the Texans draft Mario Williams?
Well I tend to think that Jeff Fisher will go for Williams if he is there. He has said Williams is the most athletic specimen he has ever seen. That is saying alot considering he coached Jevone Kearse. Williams reminds me alot of him.

If we draft him I will call him Mario the Monstrosity
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